I'm no Nostradamus but...

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99
liquor was illegal, look how that came out =P

Actually prohibition worked. Alcohol consumption plunged and even after prohibition ended alcohol consumption has never regained its pre-prohibition rates. Not saying that it was a good idea overall but it did drastically cut consumption.

Bullsht.

NIH Epidemiology of Alcohol Problems in the United States

See table "Historical Trends: 1850-1997". This table shows that consumption rebounded by ~1978. Another NIH publication showed the rebound but not that it surpassed pre-prohibition consumption rates. Since I can't find that table I'll back off of my claim that it never rebounded completely. However, the graph does show prohibition worked.


Edit: Found the table was was thinking of when I wrote my initial statement.
Apparent per capita ethanol consumption, United States, 1850?2002, NIH
The pre-prohibition peak was 2.6 gal/capita in the 1906-1910 period. Post prohibition rates did not pass this mark until 1973. The reason I was looking at this (about a year ago) was that I was wondering if alcohol consumption rate correlated w/ economic growth rates in any way. They don't. The consumption rate also didn't correlate with the unemployment rate.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

dont forget crime rates =)

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: NiteWulf

Smoking will be illegal in 10 years

Here's hoping.

What's the harm to others if done outdoors? Taking away freedom is a slippery slope.

Originally posted by: RBachman
Yep, as will be religions / beliefs other than christianity.

Ha. In 50 years all non-secular evangelism will be illegal. You can have religion, just don't say anything about it.

As evidenced by what, the injection of christianity into public schools we've seen under the current administration?

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b

Originally posted by: RBachman
Yep, as will be religions / beliefs other than christianity.

wow way to say something completely hopefully true...

fixed

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: RBachman
Yep, as will be religions / beliefs other than christianity.

If the prophecies are true, then everything will be ok except christianity. It's getting that way already.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: RBachman
Yep, as will be religions / beliefs other than christianity.

If the prophecies are true, then everything will be ok except christianity. It's getting that way already.

Really? Where?

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: RBachman
Yep, as will be religions / beliefs other than christianity.

If the prophecies are true, then everything will be ok except christianity. It's getting that way already.

Really? Where?

That's what I'm wondering. The country I'm in is becoming a christian-based theocracy at an alarming rate.

 

[IGBT]

..I'll tell ya what!!. I'am sick and tired of going to funerals of friends and family because they thought they were exercising their right of personal freedom. It would be a mistake to make it illegal..but all promotion ought to end. Including branding. Autopsy data clearly indicates it's a fools pleasure.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: K1052
Threads like this remind me of the few things I think Jeffererson was really spot on about.

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."

except 20% to 80% is much better cause for action. If 49% of people agreed that drunk driving was acceptable practice, that still doesn't mean it's the best idea.

The thing about smoking isn't that the non-smokers hate the fact that you do it, it's that the non-smokers hate the fact that they can't avoid being a "victim" of your bad habit.

Because your mob happens to be larger at the time does not make it any more right.

Also, drunk driving is a very poor comparison because that can kill or injure others. I'll head off the secondhand smoke argument by saying that business owners should be able to make any rules they see fit, including making their establishments non-smoking. It is your choice to patronize a place that may or may expose you to second hand smoke. Vote with your feet and your $.

 

[yosuke188]

Tobacco leaves are on US one dollar bills. Unless that is changed, cigaretts are still gona be around.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..I'll tell ya what!!. I'am sick and tired of going to funerals of friends and family because they thought they were exercising their right of personal freedom. It would be a mistake to make it illegal..but all promotion ought to end. Including branding. Autopsy data clearly indicates it's a fools pleasure.

And who are you to decide what's best for others? Perhaps some would rather enjoy their time on earth rather than encase themselves in a bubble.

 

[NiteWulf]

Originally posted by: RBachman
As evidenced by what, the injection of christianity into public schools we've seen under the current administration?

Examples?

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: NiteWulf

Originally posted by: RBachman
As evidenced by what, the injection of christianity into public schools we've seen under the current administration?

Examples?

Text

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: RBachman
Yep, as will be religions / beliefs other than christianity.

If the prophecies are true, then everything will be ok except christianity. It's getting that way already.

Really? Where?

That's what I'm wondering. The country I'm in is becoming a christian-based theocracy at an alarming rate.

The country I'm in is alarmingly full of cultists and voters who find it socially acceptable to break the law. Half the people that call themselves Christian aren't, and half the rest of people hate the whole group for those crackheads.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: RBachman
Yep, as will be religions / beliefs other than christianity.

If the prophecies are true, then everything will be ok except christianity. It's getting that way already.

Really? Where?

That's what I'm wondering. The country I'm in is becoming a christian-based theocracy at an alarming rate.

The country I'm in is alarmingly full of cultists and voters who find it socially acceptable to break the law. Half the people that call themselves Christian aren't, and half the rest of people hate the whole group for those crackheads.

I've nothing against religion or christianity specifically, but in a country founded on freedom of religion, the hypocrisy of pushing christianity in schools is enough to make our founding fathers spin in their graves. Likewise, it shouldn't factor into our reasons for entering conflicts.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Bullsht.

NIH Epidemiology of Alcohol Problems in the United States

See table "Historical Trends: 1850-1997". This table shows that consumption rebounded by ~1978. Another NIH publication showed the rebound but not that it surpassed pre-prohibition consumption rates. Since I can't find that table I'll back off of my claim that it never rebounded completely. However, the graph does show prohibition worked.


Edit: Found the table was was thinking of when I wrote my initial statement.
Apparent per capita ethanol consumption, United States, 1850?2002, NIH
The pre-prohibition peak was 2.6 gal/capita in the 1906-1910 period. Post prohibition rates did not pass this mark until 1973. The reason I was looking at this (about a year ago) was that I was wondering if alcohol consumption rate correlated w/ economic growth rates in any way. They don't. The consumption rate also didn't correlate with the unemployment rate.

Way to cherry pick data to back up your flawed assertions. :roll:

You chose the highest point (and I'd sure like to know where these figures are from, any data called "Apparent" is suspect) prior to prohibition. Why not use the figures from the period directly prior to prohibition? Wouldn't that be more telling? If you used 1916?1919 at 1.96 gallons per capita, that was surpassed in 1944. People probably didn't have lots of disposable income to spend on liquor during the depression. And how much drinking do you suppose happened during WWII? Then consider that since then consumption was right back to where it was pre-prohibition.

Prohibition stopped nothing. You found one period where it was "apparently" high, and declare that prohibition stopped people from drinking. Your "facts" mean nothing.

 

[sandorski]

We're all a dying breed. Unless Non-Smokers are Immortal.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: sandorski
We're all a dying breed. Unless Non-Smokers are Immortal.

I am. I can't say the same for the rest of you.

 

[lrad50]

i would hope this to be true.

but with the revenue produced from it, im not sure if it could just be stopped.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: sandorski
We're all a dying breed. Unless Non-Smokers are Immortal.

I am. I can't say the same for the rest of you.

By the tone of your posts, I think you know all are Immortal in a particular way. I don't subscribe to that, but thought I'd clarify it for you.

 

[onebeer2many]

Originally posted by: thirtythree

Originally posted by: daveshel

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
yeah because being against something that is horrible to your health and others around you is the baddd.....yup


the only reason its not illegal now is...yup you guessed it...money....

then they should ban mcdonalds.

if you smoke every day for 30 years, IMHO you will be in better health than if you ate mcdonalds every day for 30 years.

But eating at MacDonalds does not make the people around you sick.

Seeing fat people makes me kinda sick.

yeah they prety much gross me out too.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: sandorski
We're all a dying breed. Unless Non-Smokers are Immortal.

I am. I can't say the same for the rest of you.

By the tone of your posts, I think you know all are Immortal in a particular way. I don't subscribe to that, but thought I'd clarify it for you.

It's different than you suppose.

 

[NiteWulf]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: NiteWulf

Originally posted by: RBachman
As evidenced by what, the injection of christianity into public schools we've seen under the current administration?

Examples?

Text

1. That is completely detatched from the federal administration
2. It's a theory
3. It's a Creationist theory, not Christian.

 

[Tung]

I hope not! I've just started smoking and it's pretty cool.

 

[Captante]

If you choose to smoke, as far as I'm concerned you have every right ... just don't do it in such a way that I have to smell your nasty smoke!