then they should ban mcdonalds.
if you smoke every day for 30 years, IMHO you will be in better health than if you ate mcdonalds every day for 30 years.
then they should ban mcdonalds.
if you smoke every day for 30 years, IMHO you will be in better health than if you ate mcdonalds every day for 30 years.
You're right on he money, Cattlegod. Overeating and/or eating bad foods will kill you long before cigarettes would.
I've been smoking 2 packs a day (50 cigarettes) for over 28 years and my lungs are still healthy!
Meh - I don't care if it's legal, as long as:
1. You can't do it around me.
2. Smokers carry their own weight as far as health insurance, etc. is concerned.
Darwin needs all the help he can get
1. You can't do it around me.
2. Smokers carry their own weight as far as health insurance, etc. is concerned.
Darwin needs all the help he can get
Illegal? I certainly hope not. I'm not a smoker, but the government is not here to legislate morality.
If someone wants to willingly stick a cigarette/cigar/other tobacco product in their mouth, full well knowing the side effects, then that's their choice. Do it in a place where they aren't effecting other people or at least around people who don't mind and there shouldn't be a problem.
Numerous things in the world are detrimental to one's health, but people find enjoyment in all aspects of life regardless of the consequences.
If someone wants to willingly stick a cigarette/cigar/other tobacco product in their mouth, full well knowing the side effects, then that's their choice. Do it in a place where they aren't effecting other people or at least around people who don't mind and there shouldn't be a problem.
Numerous things in the world are detrimental to one's health, but people find enjoyment in all aspects of life regardless of the consequences.
moshquerade
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smoking won't become illegal just as drinking alcohol won't either.
and please don't play the victim because of anti-tobacco (read: anti-cancer) campaigns
moshquerade
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Two things here:
1. Smokers cost the health system less money than non-smokers. Everyone dies a horrible lingering death, which costs a ton of money. Smokers do it at 60, non smokers do it at 80. That's 20 more years to rack up health costs for flu shots, broken bones, and all the usual ailments. Also, here in Ontario at least, cigarrette taxes more than make up for the healthcare costs incurred by smoking.
2. Second hand smoke has only been shown to be harmful to people who are exposed to it for long periods of time. Spouses and children of smokers, and people who work in smokey environments. A waitress who works in a smokey bar for 20 years has 3 times the normal rate of lung cancer compared to another non-smoker. 3 times a number pretty close to 0 is still pretty small. If you are not forced to spend 40 or more hours a week in the presence of smoke, then you are not getting sick from it. Period.
As a smoker, I understand that as being a reasonable justification banning it from bars or restauraunts. It was either that or forcing employees to wear gassmasks. That would make a visit to Hooters a very creepy experience.
But jeeze, you don't have to get sanctimonious.
Up here in Canada, you could probably find as many people willing to ban cigarrettes as there are to un-ban marijuana. My sister is one who believes both.
1. Smokers cost the health system less money than non-smokers. Everyone dies a horrible lingering death, which costs a ton of money. Smokers do it at 60, non smokers do it at 80. That's 20 more years to rack up health costs for flu shots, broken bones, and all the usual ailments. Also, here in Ontario at least, cigarrette taxes more than make up for the healthcare costs incurred by smoking.
2. Second hand smoke has only been shown to be harmful to people who are exposed to it for long periods of time. Spouses and children of smokers, and people who work in smokey environments. A waitress who works in a smokey bar for 20 years has 3 times the normal rate of lung cancer compared to another non-smoker. 3 times a number pretty close to 0 is still pretty small. If you are not forced to spend 40 or more hours a week in the presence of smoke, then you are not getting sick from it. Period.
As a smoker, I understand that as being a reasonable justification banning it from bars or restauraunts. It was either that or forcing employees to wear gassmasks. That would make a visit to Hooters a very creepy experience.
But jeeze, you don't have to get sanctimonious.
Up here in Canada, you could probably find as many people willing to ban cigarrettes as there are to un-ban marijuana. My sister is one who believes both.
I doubt it will become illegal, but it might be more tightened. What I don't understand is how there are so many damn anti-tobacco ads and yet no anti-alcohol ads. I don't have as much of a problem with people who smoke and drive as I do with people who drink and drive. For me, the biggest turnoff from partying was the fact that there were two of my friends who would repeatedly drive drunk and even when others or myself would try to intervene and stop them, they'd be too hotheaded.
Drunk driving is something that really pisses me off, I guess that's why I'd much rather see more drastic measures taken against drunk drivers than smokers.
Drunk driving is something that really pisses me off, I guess that's why I'd much rather see more drastic measures taken against drunk drivers than smokers.
Originally posted by: ScrewFace
You're right on he money, Cattlegod. Overeating and/or eating bad foods will kill you long before cigarettes would.
I've been smoking 2 packs a day (50 cigarettes) for over 28 years and my lungs are still healthy!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Hold on lemme catch my breathe
BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
May I ask how do you know that your lungs are still healthy?
Ah, our first typical uneducated poorly thought out knee jerk reaction.
First off, there's no definitive proof that second hand smoke is actually harmful.
Second, if I had to guess, I'd imagine you drink too much soda, drink more than a beer a day, live in a heavily populated area with bad air quality, eat fast food often, don't excercise enough, eat a poorly balanced diet, have had unprotected sex at least a few times, etc..
So please, just be quiet. Thank you.
moshquerade
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you actually believe that second hand smoke is not harmful to those who inhale it?
please provide research that suggests such.
So you're saying it's uneducated and poorly thought out to say that smoking is horrible to your health?
I hope you become the next surgeon general. :roll:
jamesbond007
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That's just it...I'm sick of all the dorks with cigarettes in their mouths while I'm walking around campus. It's one thing to screw up your own health, but to be an annoyance to others and affect my health (yes, in case you didn't know, second-hand smoke is bad as well) is another story.
I say shut down the cigarette companies and use the money for healthy things like building gyms in communities that don't cost an arm and a leg or create/research foods that are as good as a real Double-Cheeseburger without the side-effects.
I'm saying that it's not horrible to the health of those around me. I'm saying that most American's live an unhealthy life in some respect whether that be their eating habits, amount of alcohol they injest excercise routine, sexual practices, or geographical area in which they live, etc.. I'm asking what right you have to tell me which unhealthy practices I may engage in and which ones I may not.
If you're not able to understand this it would be better for you to just quit posting in this thread.
meltdown75
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i recently quit, but as far as i can remember, i was bored
- was sitting around on a weekend in my 1st year of uni
- everyone was gone home for the weekend
- i was bored
- went to the store
- bought some cigs
strange.
Crazee
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Your saying that it is not horrible to the health of people around you would be wrong. All the "new" reports about second hand smoke not being harmful (coincedentally funded by the tobacco industry) that you see on the net and other places are flawed. Here is the EPA's response which sites studies that consistently show that second hand smoke leads to numerous health problems for people who do not smoke.
I exercise routinely, I am faithful with my wife and I don't drink why should I have to put up with your bad habit affecting my health?
Lol, why don't you do a little more research on the EPA's studies and then get back to me. Although do me a favor and do yourself one as well. Check into it with an objective mind and not seeking only the evidence that will back up your predetermined conclusion. That's what the EPA studies have done and consequently, they're B.S..
Originally posted by: moshquerade
you actually believe that second hand smoke is not harmful to those who inhale it?
please provide research that suggests such.
Why should he have to prove it, someone else made the claim that it does.
Care to elaborate? What, specifically, is flawed about the methedology used by the EPA to come to the conclusion that 2nd hand smoke is harmful.
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