I'm in tears right now...

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: desiplaya4life

Originally posted by: Doboji
I'm so upset and disturbed right now I can barely speak or type.

A few moments ago I passed by several dozen wounded soldiers missing arms, missing legs. These men are recently recovered from Iraq. I am so disturbed and absolutely humbled by the sacrifice these men have made for the good of humanity.

And I am so angry at all of humanity for our absolute selfishness with which we look upon Iraq, and other conflicts throughout the world. So often we hear of Bush this, Haliburton that, cheney this. But why were we so selfish to allow that question to even exist. Why is everyone in the world looking this situation throwing their hands up in the air, and saying "not my problem"... why are we living our cushy little lives, driving our cushy little cars, drinking beer and relaxing while so many of our young men are giving their lives and limbs for the good of humanity. How is it that we allow places like Iraq, and people like Saddam to exist?... Isn't it time for us to stand together, and get this mess cleaned up?... Shouldn't france, and germany, and every other country in the world step up to the plate and say this is a HUMAN problem. Put their fvcking troops on the ground, put their money to work, and clean up our own human mess? If everyone was involved there could be no question of motives... no stealing of oil.... the world has the power to set the goals of the mission and ensure the success. Iraq should be humanities mission, not just the US. But we're all too selfish...

I am ashamed right now, ashamed that I walk on two legs, have the use of both arms, can see with both eyes. Compared to these men I am nothing... all I can do is sit here and cry quietly to myself... In utter awe of these men, I will forever feel indebted to them... I am grateful for my small support position where I can do just a little something to support these larger than life heroes.

-Max

oh this makes me a little ticky.. u are fu king wrong.. all the other countries are doing the right thing. MINDING THEIR OWN DAMN BUSINESS>. lol u and ur stupid soldiers u seen.. you guys just preach what the media tells you.. go in iraq and see for yourself.. we are doing no good to ourselves or iraq. U.S. is in their to make money. there were no weaponds of mass destruction as "bush primary reason to go" and why did bush care to "free the iraqi" people when they are rebellious against the idea? they were living a perfect normal iraqi life until bush stepped in... and the 9/11 attack this you dont even know but its all related to the bin laden's business agenda w/ them and bush something went wrong or bush wanted to attack his own land to start this regime to attack the middle eastern. infact the truth is that on the 9/11 all jews were off that day. did anybody know that? NO CUZ U FOLLOW THE FU KING MEDIA>

yea i am not supporting bush and i feel pity for the soldiers cuz they are powerless and cant find the truth behind their mission.. damn bush :|

The fact that you have no idea what your talking about and your total lack of punctuation makes you look like an idiot. I can't even begin to comprehend what you're saying.

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: broonYou aren't supporting the troops by saying you don't support the war. It's offensive to them and tells them you don't value what they are doing.

then let them be offended. I would rather have them offended and home safe rather than getting blown up by RPGs every other day. I don't value what they're doing in Iraq.

You may one day, if you ever have children and don't have to worry about a brutal person like Sadaam being in power.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

While the US can't help everyone, (clearly) the world does owe something to those who can't help themselves. Saddam has been documented as having killed over 1 million people - his own people - under his rule. To put it in perspective, 6 million Jews were killed during WWII. Should we sit idly by while we know this is happening? Like stated - we can't help everyone - there's obviously atrocities just as bad happening everywhere else, but we can't help everyone.

Assuming they want to live a certain way? What, did you watch that crapfest that was 9/11 by Michael Moore and see those kids running around on the morning before we started bombing them? Leave the governing to them? Do you seriously think they're capable of running the country now? How many of the appointed PMs/high ranking officials have gotten assasinated since? Yea, lets just drop everything and let the country go through a civil war.

so how do we pick and choose who we help? how come after years and years of human rights violations, we havne't invaded china? are they not causing enough suffering upon the tibetans? Yes we should leave the governing to them. there are civil wars going on all over, why this one?

If I knew who to help and who not to, I'd be President. But I don't.

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
WTF was the big hurry to take care of Iraq, they weren't a threat. I'll tell you what the big hurry was. The Dub and his band of Nefarious Neocons saw an opportunity that may not come again and that was the aftermath of 9/11 and the Shock and Horror that was still reverberating around this nation. Thery knew that if they presented it right they could dupe the American People into supporting the Dub's excellent adventure there. So they BS'd us with tales of an Advanced Nuclear weapons Program, Misled us about Alleged ties between Al Qaeda and Hussien (who was on Bin Laden's sh!tlist for having a Secular Government) and marched poor old Colin Powell out with fabricated Charts and Diagrams of where these so called WMD's were being stored and Manufactured. It was the biggest snowjob pulled om Americans since the BS Gulf of Tonkin Lie!

I shed a tear that we "hurried" to do a job that needed to be done whether it was done
early or not.

I make a motion that from now on we can't defend or attack unless we have a
signed confession from the aggressor stating that they did "a bad thing" and they
are willing to be punished because "it's okay with the rest of the world" if we
do so.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
[You may one day, if you ever have children and don't have to worry about a brutal person like Sadaam being in power.

Hussien was not a threat to us, we effectively de-balled him after the first Gulf War.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Bullsh!t. There is no denying that Saddam was in violation of the cease fire by alternately kicking out inspectors, then leading them on when he allowed them in. Not ONCE has he been in compliance with 1441 since the end of the first Gulf War.

As for the WMD argument, it falls flat when you realize that EVERY intelligence agency in the world thought he had them, and was trying to build more. Even those countries who opposed military action did NOT debate whether or not he had them, they debated what to do about it.

And it now turns out many of those opposed to military action were on the take, taking kickbacks from the oil for food program.

In short, you're full of sh!t.

Rush Limbaugh is in the house
You have no proof that every other intelligence in the world thought he had them. I don't think they go around telling others what intelligence they have. Hans Blix was on the ground in Iraq, and he didn't find any WMD. Iraq didn't have WMD's which is what the goal of the UN resolutions was. So there was no need to go into Iraq.

WTF are you talking about? No matter how hard the anti-war folks try, they cannot get away with rewriting history just a year or so after the fact.

The fact is, the debate within the UN was NOT whether or not he had them, not even with France, Germany, Russia and Belgium. The entire debate was what to do about it. ALL of those countries maintained that he had WMDs and was attempting to buy/build more. In fact, before the war, not a single major intelligence agency or their government made the claim that he didn't have WMDs.

It takes just a bit of common sense and the facts to blow away the "bush lied and/or exaggerated" claims. The fact of the matter is, Blix and those who came before him could not go where they wanted, when they wanted, and the Iraqi government had prior notice of when they would be where. THIS was all part of Saddam's violations of 1441 and the reason why ANY of this came up in the first place.

Keep trying to rewrite history, though. If you fib long enough, some people may even believe you.

 

[Rudee]

By the way, ask a soldier why they fight and the majority will tell you it's not for their Country, or for the good of humanity like you say, but for the sake of their buddies who serve with them. The majority of soldiers fight for the guy beside them. It's a close bond between soldiers that civillians will not understand.

 

[CVSiN]

Remember a small conflict in Bosnia you antiAmerican POS.. I served there.. we lost Pilots over Bosnia...
I lost a Officer I had known for 10 years there... they are just about as white as I am..

Try remebering that Sadaam was harboring camps of terrorists that were trained to carry out more strikes similar to 9/11 on innocent people...
and then look at who are casuing all the problems in Iraq right now...
they are not Iraqis protestign the turn over... they are foriegn nationals that are mad becacsue they want the old Militant Iraq back that harbors thier kind...
the average Iraqi person has been seen out waving flags and greeting the US and other Allied soldiers in the same way they were greeted in WW2 when we freed oppresed countries...
I cannot stand people that HAVE NOT ever worn a Uniform talking crap about how our administation does things...
Our soldiers beleive in what they are doing is right.. the Iraqi people for the most part are happy Saddam is gone...
The fielded thier first Olympic team this year in many years becasue of what we have done...
Iraq wants to be free and I for one support them and Tony Blair and Bush for having the guts to end the oppresion there...

Jason Adam Pope
United States Navy
Aviation Electronics Mate 2nd Class
1987-1997

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Doboji
I suppose I should have known this would happen....

My feeling that I attempted to portray is not whether war in Iraq is right or wrong... but that we as human beings should be ashamed of the fact that such a situation exists at all. And furthermore we should be so proud of these young men who are sacrificing EVERYTHING in order to try and correct this human tragedy. Whether you agree with the war or not, to give so much of yourself in trying to help is something beyond the word admirable could ever express.

Seeing these men in person absolutely floored me... and breached the politics...

-Max

The things I saw that floored me were actually two segments on real sports about sports in Iraq, and a few articles recently about RAAF airlifting the iraqi olympic team. Their soccer triumph is one of the great stories I've seen in recent times, and I will be rooting for them heavily in the olympics. Real Sports is one of the few shows that can get me seriously emotional almost every time I watch it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused
WTF are you talking about? No matter how hard the anti-war folks try, they cannot get away with rewriting history just a year or so after the fact.

The fact is, the debate within the UN was NOT whether or not he had them, not even with France, Germany, Russia and Belgium. The entire debate was what to do about it. ALL of those countries maintained that he had WMDs and was attempting to buy/build more. In fact, before the war, not a single major intelligence agency or their government made the claim that he didn;t have WMDs.

It takes just a bit of common sense and the facts to blow away the "bush lied and/or exaggerated" claims. The fact of the matter is, Blix and those who came before him could not go where they wanted, when they wanted, and the Iraqi government had prior notice of when they would be where. THIS was all part of Saddam's violations of 1441 and the resaon why ANY of this came up in the first place.

Keep trying to rewrite hisory, though. If you fib long enough, some people may even believe you.

Common sense will tell you that there was no hurry to rush to war with Iraq. We still need to finish the war against terror and Iraq was not part of that war until we invaded and occupied it. They, unlike Iran, we not actively involved with Al Qaeda.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Try remebering that Sadaam was harboring camps of terrorists that were trained to carry out more strikes similar to 9/11 on innocent people...
and then look at who are casuing all the problems in Iraq right now...
they are not Iraqis protestign the turn over... they are foriegn nationals that are mad becacsue they want the old Militant Iraq back that harbors thier kind...
the average Iraqi person has been seen out waving flags and greeting the US and other Allied soldiers in the same way they were greeted in WW2 when we freed oppresed countries...
I cannot stand people that HAVE NOT ever worn a Uniform talking crap about how our administation does things...
Our soldiers beleive in what they are doing is right.. the Iraqi people for the most part are happy Saddam is gone...
The fielded thier first Olympic team this year in many years becasue of what we have done...
Iraq wants to be free and I for one support them and Tony Blair and Bush for having the guts to end the oppresion there...

Jason Adam Pope
United States Navy
Aviation Electronics Mate 2nd Class
1987-1997

Al Sadr is a Foriegn National?

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

I cannot stand people that HAVE NOT ever worn a Uniform talking crap about how our administation does things...

tough sh!t.

p.s. thanks for serving.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: CVSiN

I cannot stand people that HAVE NOT ever worn a Uniform talking crap about how our administation does things...

tough sh!t.

p.s. thanks for serving.

 

[brigden]

I'm honestly stunned that more people don't wake up to the reality that the reasons for going to war were fraudulent.

Why are American efforts being spent waging war on a country that posed little danger to the American public and international community? Why not focus on wiping out Al Qaeda?

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: brigden
Why are American efforts being spent waging war on a country that posed little danger to the American public and international community?


Why not focus on wiping out Al Qaeda?

Do you happen to have their current address?

 

[desiplaya4life]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: desiplaya4life

Originally posted by: Doboji
I'm so upset and disturbed right now I can barely speak or type.

A few moments ago I passed by several dozen wounded soldiers missing arms, missing legs. These men are recently recovered from Iraq. I am so disturbed and absolutely humbled by the sacrifice these men have made for the good of humanity.

And I am so angry at all of humanity for our absolute selfishness with which we look upon Iraq, and other conflicts throughout the world. So often we hear of Bush this, Haliburton that, cheney this. But why were we so selfish to allow that question to even exist. Why is everyone in the world looking this situation throwing their hands up in the air, and saying "not my problem"... why are we living our cushy little lives, driving our cushy little cars, drinking beer and relaxing while so many of our young men are giving their lives and limbs for the good of humanity. How is it that we allow places like Iraq, and people like Saddam to exist?... Isn't it time for us to stand together, and get this mess cleaned up?... Shouldn't france, and germany, and every other country in the world step up to the plate and say this is a HUMAN problem. Put their fvcking troops on the ground, put their money to work, and clean up our own human mess? If everyone was involved there could be no question of motives... no stealing of oil.... the world has the power to set the goals of the mission and ensure the success. Iraq should be humanities mission, not just the US. But we're all too selfish...

I am ashamed right now, ashamed that I walk on two legs, have the use of both arms, can see with both eyes. Compared to these men I am nothing... all I can do is sit here and cry quietly to myself... In utter awe of these men, I will forever feel indebted to them... I am grateful for my small support position where I can do just a little something to support these larger than life heroes.

-Max

oh this makes me a little ticky.. u are fu king wrong.. all the other countries are doing the right thing. MINDING THEIR OWN DAMN BUSINESS>. lol u and ur stupid soldiers u seen.. you guys just preach what the media tells you.. go in iraq and see for yourself.. we are doing no good to ourselves or iraq. U.S. is in their to make money. there were no weaponds of mass destruction as "bush primary reason to go" and why did bush care to "free the iraqi" people when they are rebellious against the idea? they were living a perfect normal iraqi life until bush stepped in... and the 9/11 attack this you dont even know but its all related to the bin laden's business agenda w/ them and bush something went wrong or bush wanted to attack his own land to start this regime to attack the middle eastern. infact the truth is that on the 9/11 all jews were off that day. did anybody know that? NO CUZ U FOLLOW THE FU KING MEDIA>

yea i am not supporting bush and i feel pity for the soldiers cuz they are powerless and cant find the truth behind their mission.. damn bush :|

The fact that you have no idea what your talking about and your total lack of punctuation makes you look like an idiot. I can't even begin to comprehend what you're saying.

yea i typed fast and use aol grammer.. but if you dont get it, i guess you are out of luck huh? tsk tsk tsk

believe to people who are supporting bush are the real idiots

no jobs, no allies, school education cost +, economy -, hired a head for CIA who is not even up to todays standards and operations of CIA and even admits (and as of today only knows the language of romance lol:laugh, his advisors making most/all of the decisions, taking vacations most of the time, bush cant testify, took 3yrs to release the blackbox of those airplanes that striked WTC (probabily edited), oil companies owned by no other than a DICK and his dad, stutters during his own speech, won florida votes cuz "probabily" of this brother who no other is the governer of florida, trillion's of dollar used up in iraq when our own prices of gas, school, and un-employment is going up .. yea he is a really good president:laugh::laugh:

 

[desiplaya4life]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: CVSiN

I cannot stand people that HAVE NOT ever worn a Uniform talking crap about how our administation does things...

tough sh!t.

p.s. thanks for serving.

LMAO

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: desiplaya4life

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: desiplaya4life

Originally posted by: Doboji
I'm so upset and disturbed right now I can barely speak or type.

A few moments ago I passed by several dozen wounded soldiers missing arms, missing legs. These men are recently recovered from Iraq. I am so disturbed and absolutely humbled by the sacrifice these men have made for the good of humanity.

And I am so angry at all of humanity for our absolute selfishness with which we look upon Iraq, and other conflicts throughout the world. So often we hear of Bush this, Haliburton that, cheney this. But why were we so selfish to allow that question to even exist. Why is everyone in the world looking this situation throwing their hands up in the air, and saying "not my problem"... why are we living our cushy little lives, driving our cushy little cars, drinking beer and relaxing while so many of our young men are giving their lives and limbs for the good of humanity. How is it that we allow places like Iraq, and people like Saddam to exist?... Isn't it time for us to stand together, and get this mess cleaned up?... Shouldn't france, and germany, and every other country in the world step up to the plate and say this is a HUMAN problem. Put their fvcking troops on the ground, put their money to work, and clean up our own human mess? If everyone was involved there could be no question of motives... no stealing of oil.... the world has the power to set the goals of the mission and ensure the success. Iraq should be humanities mission, not just the US. But we're all too selfish...

I am ashamed right now, ashamed that I walk on two legs, have the use of both arms, can see with both eyes. Compared to these men I am nothing... all I can do is sit here and cry quietly to myself... In utter awe of these men, I will forever feel indebted to them... I am grateful for my small support position where I can do just a little something to support these larger than life heroes.

-Max

oh this makes me a little ticky.. u are fu king wrong.. all the other countries are doing the right thing. MINDING THEIR OWN DAMN BUSINESS>. lol u and ur stupid soldiers u seen.. you guys just preach what the media tells you.. go in iraq and see for yourself.. we are doing no good to ourselves or iraq. U.S. is in their to make money. there were no weaponds of mass destruction as "bush primary reason to go" and why did bush care to "free the iraqi" people when they are rebellious against the idea? they were living a perfect normal iraqi life until bush stepped in... and the 9/11 attack this you dont even know but its all related to the bin laden's business agenda w/ them and bush something went wrong or bush wanted to attack his own land to start this regime to attack the middle eastern. infact the truth is that on the 9/11 all jews were off that day. did anybody know that? NO CUZ U FOLLOW THE FU KING MEDIA> yea i am not supporting bush and i feel pity for the soldiers cuz they are powerless and cant find the truth behind their mission.. damn bush :|

The fact that you have no idea what your talking about and your total lack of punctuation makes you look like an idiot. I can't even begin to comprehend what you're saying.

yea i typed fast and use aol grammer.. but if you dont get it, i guess you are out of luck huh? tsk tsk tsk

believe to people who are supporting bush are the real idiots

no jobs, no allies, school education cost +, economy -, hired a head for CIA who is not even up to todays standards and operations of CIA and even admits (and as of today only knows the language of romance lol:laugh, his advisors making most/all of the decisions, taking vacations most of the time, bush cant testify, took 3yrs to release the blackbox of those airplanes that striked WTC (probabily edited), oil companies owned by no other than a DICK and his dad, stutters during his own speech, won florida votes cuz "probabily" of this brother who no other is the governer of florida, trillion's of dollar used up in iraq when our own prices of gas, school, and un-employment is going up .. yea he is a really good president:laugh::laugh:

Keep yapping - you're making yourself look so stupid that all of us intelligent anti-Bush folk are shaking our heads at you. Grow up and get some legitimate arguments instead of wild conspiracy theories.

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: desiplaya4life

no jobs, no allies, school education cost +, economy -, hired a head for CIA who is not even up to todays standards and operations of CIA and even admits (and as of today only knows the language of romance lol:laugh, his advisors making most/all of the decisions, taking vacations most of the time, bush cant testify, took 3yrs to release the blackbox of those airplanes that striked WTC (probabily edited), oil companies owned by no other than a DICK and his dad, stutters during his own speech, won florida votes cuz "probabily" of this brother who no other is the governer of florida, trillion's of dollar used up in iraq when our own prices of gas, school, and un-employment is going up .. yea he is a really good president:laugh::laugh:

I take it you are saying you don't like Bush?

 

[BigToque]

First off, I think war is a terrible thing, and I think that the soldiers are incredibly brave for the things they do (although I have absolutely no respect for those who do things like what was done to those prisoners in Iraq).

Second, I think the way the military works is absolutely sickening. You hear Bush say "We will get this", "we will do this", "we will stop the war". He and other "leaders" sit back in their comfy chairs and send thousands of people to die. You have your higher-up's who send men in on the front line and only after everything has cleared does he send in another group to make sure everything's still ok. Then he comes in. When the war is over, he's sent in 100 guys to die and he gets a stinking medal of honour or bravery.

These leaders should be on the front lines with everyone else. Bush wanted to go to war, he should be there with everyone else!

 

[Gulzakar]

The problem with the military is that nobody realizes what they enlisted for until it's too late...

I feel bad for what happened...but thats combat for you...they can do everything to try and make it safer...but it's still combat.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: Gulzakar
The problem with the military is that nobody realizes what they enlisted for until it's too late...

Exactly - those recruiters are sneaky! They prey on the fresh high school graduates that are not the brightest - offering them big bucks and a guaranteed job.

 

[bobbybe01]

Originally posted by: Isshinryu

Originally posted by: bobbybe01

Look, it really doesn't matter if one soldier agrees with it or not. The fact is, they are doing something that the leaders of our country asked them to do. Whether our leaders are misguiding or not, to me, isn't the point here. They are still sacrificing their time, health, family, and in some cases, their lives. There are probably very few who want to be out there blowing up people. Their sacrifice will always be worthwhile.

I'm talking about their personal feeling, ya wanker. It feels a hell of alot better to fight for something you believe in then it does to fight because you have to.

Sure it feels better if you actually agree with it. But in either case, Mr. Wanker, it's still an honorable thing. Perhaps there might be just as much satisfaction by serving anyway...

 

[desiplaya4life]

Originally posted by: Gulzakar
The problem with the military is that nobody realizes what they enlisted for until it's too late...

I feel bad for what happened...but thats combat for you...they can do everything to try and make it safer...but it's still combat.

exactly

yea i dont like bush. cant believe i was voting for him... what is conspiracy to what i just said?

 

[RbSX]

You're a fvcking loser, get into reality.

I feel horrible about what happened to the soldiers, no one should suffer on behalf of another persons selfish goals. That I agree with you.

But grow the fvck up you god damned pansy. We all feel bad, we all feel stupid about the fact that this happened. We feel bad about the people that were sacrificed for it.

As for it being a world problem, fvck no. It wasn't our problem or desire for more oil, it wasn't our goal to avenge our daddy, it wasn't our goal to alienate everyone in the process either.

As far as us putting money into cleaning it up! Guess what! George W Bush won't let countries that weren't a part of the 'coalition of the willing' to contribute money for the cleanup.

Freakin A!