I'm in tears right now...

[SP33Demon]

I don't think you should feel "ashamed" Doboji... they were just doing their job to the best of their ability and tragedy struck them. You should respect them, but not feel ashamed in any way... do you feel ashamed when a Postal worker loses his/her limbs in a freeway pileup? They were just doing their job for our great country, and were hurt as well.

:beer: to all of our fallen and injured soldiers overseas, I salute you.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Just because we decide to make a confict doesn't obligate the world to clean up our mess.

So you believe. Denial, or Ignorance - which one?

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Just because we decide to make a confict doesn't obligate the world to clean up our mess.

His statements were not political. IF ( A BIG GIANT IF) you were president, you would have made the same choice to attack. The evidence set forth to President Bush was an overwhelming, go get them. Even without the evidence, we are more than justified to go into Iraq and do what we have to do. Even your Precious Kerry was and still is FOR the war.

Even Clinton was for a war back when he was in office. I have video clips of his administration saying how dangerous Saddam was for having WMDs that the inspectors can't find.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: cjchaps
That's what they want you to think. You think Gore would have gone to war????

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Just because we decide to make a confict doesn't obligate the world to clean up our mess.

His statements were not political. IF ( A BIG GIANT IF) you were president, you would have made the same choice to attack. The evidence set forth to President Bush was an overwhelming, go get them. Even without the evidence, we are more than justified to go into Iraq and do what we have to do. Even your Precious Kerry was and still is FOR the war.

Thank GOD we didn't get Gore for president.

 

[Klixxer]

Why won't Germany or France put troops on the ground? It's quite simple really, you sent a clown to present the case and were laughed out of the room (remember the aluminum tubes, the uranium from Niger and some pictures of a couple of vans?), got pissed and told the world that the world was wrong, that Saddam was indeed an immediate threat with his vast stockpiles of WMD's, you hurried into this war so extremely fast because of that.

Why won't Germany or France put troops on the ground? Because your leadership has the diplomatic skills of a rabid dog and a wild imagination.

That's not the troops fault, the troops will do what the leadership tells them to do, if you are going to blame anyone, blame the leadership for creating this mess.

 

[Karsten]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Just because we decide to make a confict doesn't obligate the world to clean up our mess.

His statements were not political. IF ( A BIG GIANT IF) you were president, you would have made the same choice to attack. The evidence set forth to President Bush was an overwhelming, go get them. Even without the evidence, we are more than justified to go into Iraq and do what we have to do. Even your Precious Kerry was and still is FOR the war.

Okay, so why didn't we deal with someplace like Sudan first? The situation there makes Iraq look like Disneyland.

Because the UN has everything under control in Sudan!

 

[imported_Pablo]

Move this junk to P&N... Its been hijacked by nutjobs.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Karsten

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Just because we decide to make a confict doesn't obligate the world to clean up our mess.

His statements were not political. IF ( A BIG GIANT IF) you were president, you would have made the same choice to attack. The evidence set forth to President Bush was an overwhelming, go get them. Even without the evidence, we are more than justified to go into Iraq and do what we have to do. Even your Precious Kerry was and still is FOR the war.

Okay, so why didn't we deal with someplace like Sudan first? The situation there makes Iraq look like Disneyland.

Because the UN has everything under control in Sudan!

Ehm, no, and last time i looked the requests for UN troops was too limited as the US has none to spare, all going on with their political war in Iraq.

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: Doboji
I'm so upset and disturbed right now I can barely speak or type.

A few moments ago I passed by several dozen wounded soldiers missing arms, missing legs. These men are recently recovered from Iraq. I am so disturbed and absolutely humbled by the sacrifice these men have made for the good of humanity.

And I am so angry at all of humanity for our absolute selfishness with which we look upon Iraq, and other conflicts throughout the world. So often we hear of Bush this, Haliburton that, cheney this. But why were we so selfish to allow that question to even exist. Why is everyone in the world looking this situation throwing their hands up in the air, and saying "not my problem"... why are we living our cushy little lives, driving our cushy little cars, drinking beer and relaxing while so many of our young men are giving their lives and limbs for the good of humanity. How is it that we allow places like Iraq, and people like Saddam to exist?... Isn't it time for us to stand together, and get this mess cleaned up?... Shouldn't france, and germany, and every other country in the world step up to the plate and say this is a HUMAN problem. Put their fvcking troops on the ground, put their money to work, and clean up our own human mess? If everyone was involved there could be no question of motives... no stealing of oil.... the world has the power to set the goals of the mission and ensure the success. Iraq should be humanities mission, not just the US. But we're all too selfish...

I am ashamed right now, ashamed that I walk on two legs, have the use of both arms, can see with both eyes. Compared to these men I am nothing... all I can do is sit here and cry quietly to myself... In utter awe of these men, I will forever feel indebted to them... I am grateful for my small support position where I can do just a little something to support these larger than life heroes.

-Max

Sounds like you're a good man. Naive and idealistic, but good.

The problem lies deeper than even you described. The problem is that people are inherently selfish, self-glorifying, and ultimately, self-destructive. You cannot trust one man to do a better job of ruling than another man simply because he is on your side, or he is an American, than another. People of all nationalities have made a history of working for their own best interests than that of mankind.

Search deeper, and you'll find selfish agendas to ALL politically motivated decisions, be it money, power, or a combination of the two. As long as we live earthly lives, this is going to be the story - man's inhumanity to man. Do your best to make the best of it, but know that in the end, nothing you or the richest smartest or most powerful man on earth can do that will make a lasting impression history.

For guidance and encouragement in how to live in this world, I look to my Savior, Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Davegod75]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Just because we decide to make a confict doesn't obligate the world to clean up our mess.

His statements were not political. IF ( A BIG GIANT IF) you were president, you would have made the same choice to attack. The evidence set forth to President Bush was an overwhelming, go get them. Even without the evidence, we are more than justified to go into Iraq and do what we have to do. Even your Precious Kerry was and still is FOR the war.

Okay, so why didn't we deal with someplace like Sudan first? The situation there makes Iraq look like Disneyland.

have you been there?

 

[StageLeft]

People like to stay in their lives and ignore what's going on around them. It's disgusting that it goes on for so long. Look at all the death in the Sudan now, but the UN can't be bothered to do a thing about it. If I'm ever in charge of a big powerful army I'll have them do all their training overseas taking out dictators and nasty leaders.

 

[DukeN]

Originally posted by: KirbsAw

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
we aren't the worlds police. ask bush or even clinton how come we go into iraq and 'liberate' the people, when countries like sudan now, and tibet still, are facing atrocities from the gov't? yet we sit around and do ntohing about those countries.

At my college there are a lot of refugees from Sudan. It is so bad there and nobody cares. Most people here probably know nothing of the atrocities that are going on.

Truly sad. Like the rest of the world, this thread will probably look the other way as well.

And all that BS about Iraq and WMDs was nothing but mass propoganda to make a financial killing using Iraq's natural resources - namely OIL. Anyone who believes elsewise would have to be pretty naive and/or gullible.

 

[suklee]

Originally posted by: ironcrotch
this should help the doubtful
his post on Aug. 5 is the post im referring to.

a very power blog of a soldier in iraq, originally posted but i couldnt find the thread. but this makes me thank god and grateful that there are people out there that have the balls to do the dirty work.

Wow, just want to say that is a GREAT blog.. I've only read 0.001 percent of it, but this one's going into the bookmarks.

 

[rogue1979]

Soldiers that come back mutilated or even worse, don't come back at all make the ultimate sacrifice.

You have to realize they did not make the political decision to start the war or keep troops in Iraq.

They made the decision to join the military which is still a noble way to make a living in a country that is supposed to stand for freedom.

They went and did what was asked and expected of them, I don't see you or me over there!

They deserve some recognition, respect and most of all thanks. Because of them, ourselves or our family members aren't over there enduring hell.

Yeah, the political motives suck and the rights and wrongs of war will be debated until the end of time.

But this should never take away the gratitude we should all have for the men and women that actually go and do it!

While taking a human life isn't good, we all know since the beginning of history freedom has always cost the ultimate price....

 

[UDT89]

i cant wait to see what happens when Kerry screws up.............then the whole country will need a road map.

 

[UDT89]

and ask any native Iraqi about Saddam

and ask them about the relatives that would disappear and never come back.........there was problem, maybe not big, but there was still a problem.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: UDT89
and ask any native Iraqi about Saddam

and ask them about the relatives that would disappear and never come back.........there was problem, maybe not big, but there was still a problem.

Most Americans care about the Iraqi's as much as they care for us which is not very much.

 

[booger711]

Originally posted by: Kai920

Originally posted by: ironcrotch
this should help the doubtful
his post on Aug. 5 is the post im referring to.

a very power blog of a soldier in iraq, originally posted but i couldnt find the thread. but this makes me thank god and grateful that there are people out there that have the balls to do the dirty work.

Wow, just want to say that is a GREAT blog.. I've only read 0.001 percent of it, but this one's going into the bookmarks.

same here

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: DougK62
Hah - it took a whole two minutes for some assclown to turn a nice message political. How typical.

yeh, that's too bad, really

Oh give me a break. Everyone is grateful and very supportive for the sacrafices our soldiers are making. But they are objects used at the discretion of another. The questions and disdain is not for the soldiers who are fighting the war but for those who have sent them to war. There are serious questions, very serious questions surrounding this war. And they are questions that have not been answered even in the slightest way. The only assclowns are the idiots who for political beliefs just blindly support this war. And try to call folks who question this war unpatriotic or not supporting our troops. Those are the "real" assclowns. And because this guy now gets all sensitive like some little girl doesn't change the unanswered questions surrounding this war. Now get some tissues, blow your nose, and stop acting like a baby. You should be ashamed, damn republican sissy. Truth is your a disgrace. You take what you saw and try to use it some way to support your political beliefs, you ungrateful maggot. You sir a freaking phony.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Excelsior
That was some kind of reply there, take you long to think up? Admit it, you guys are b!tching about a politician lying, and you know that they all do. I don't see the issue here.

About as long as it took a Tosser like you to think up calling us Dipsh!ts.

The issue here is that we are enjoying participating in a debate, nothing more. In a forum full of Members like yourself, Amused is a breath of fresh air, even though I think he is often wrong

Yea he's a breath of fresh air alright :roll:. If your comparing air blowing off of the local trash dump to LA smog.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Excelsior
That was some kind of reply there, take you long to think up? Admit it, you guys are b!tching about a politician lying, and you know that they all do. I don't see the issue here.

About as long as it took a Tosser like you to think up calling us Dipsh!ts.

The issue here is that we are enjoying participating in a debate, nothing more. In a forum full of Members like yourself, Amused is a breath of fresh air, even though I think he is often wrong

Yea he's a breath of fresh air alright :roll:. If your comparing air blowing off of the local trash dump to LA smog.

The irony of your post is just too much to bear.

The difference between you and I, Classy, is that I can hold a reasoned, rational debate without resorting to flaming others incessantly.

Every debate with you ends with whining, insults and vague, yet laughable physical threats.

 

[cheapgoose]

maybe you should join the army. if you feel so strongly about going to another country and fight someone else's war, then you should go and help.

I for one feel bad for our armed forces because soldiers don't start wars, politicians do. They'll probably think twice if their sons and daughters are the first ones to ship out. Reguardless of how a soldier may feel weather the war is just or not, it's their job to fight. It's like working a job you hate, except their lives are on the line.

so yea, if you feel bad for having both arms and leg, go sign up.

 

So instead of doing anything about it, you will post about it on an internet forum, bashing everyone.
Superb!

 

[cheapgoose]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
People like to stay in their lives and ignore what's going on around them. It's disgusting that it goes on for so long. Look at all the death in the Sudan now, but the UN can't be bothered to do a thing about it. If I'm ever in charge of a big powerful army I'll have them do all their training overseas taking out dictators and nasty leaders.

see, that's the problem. In my opinion, what you said you'd do is a good thing and something that needs to be done. but who are you to send my son or daughter, or me, overseas to fight for something you believe in? People fight for what they believe in, if you feel so strongly about taking out dictators, go sign up for the army. don't talk about sending others, do it yourself.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Amused

The irony of your post is just too much to bear.

The difference between you and I, Classy, is that I can hold a reasoned, rational debate without resorting to flaming others incessantly.

Every debate with you ends with whining, insults and vague, yet laughable physical threats.

LOL. Just messing with you guy, been awhile. But you liked that didn't you?