I'm in tears right now...

[broon]

Originally posted by: KirbsAw

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It always amazes me how draft dodging Chickenhawks have no qualm sending our valiant soilders into harms way to prosecute their nefarious agendas!

To whom might you be referring to?

The Cscksucker in the Whitehouse and the Cscksuckers in his Administration

IIRC the draft dodger was the previous administration. The current on actually has a highly decorated retired general working for it. I'd like to know how many previous administrations (that participated in wars) don't fit your description of the current one.

Yes, haven't you seen clinton speak lately? He said he, bush, and cheney all avoided the war, Kerry actually went.

Bush may have avoided the war but he didn't dodge the draft. I don't know about Cheney. Clinton was the one who left the country to avoid the draft. I'd still like to know what 20th century president who entered a war had previously actually served in combat.

Edit: Red, just wondering, did you criticize Clinton for Somalia and Bosnia the way you are criticizing Bush?

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Just because we decide to make a confict doesn't obligate the world to clean up our mess.

It's not just our mess....when you allow a crazy man to oppress a country it becomes
the world's mess.

God bless the men and women who have to be there and what they do.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: broon

I'd still like to know what 20th century president during a war had previously actually served in combat.

The Dub's Daddy for one and JFK for another!

 

[SuperTool]

War means some soldiers are going to come crippled or not at all. That's why it's important to only start wars when absolutely necessary.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: broon

You aren't supporting the troops by saying you don't support the war. It's offensive to them and tells them you don't value what they are doing.

fine. i dont support the troops either then, but i have compassion for them. i hate that they are there fighting a war that i don't believe in. I hate that the administration used 9/11 to rally the citizens into going to war. I was there...i know people who narrowly missed being in the towers that day. i was in the middle of the rubble watching the towers fall. but these things happen because of our foreign policy. before we goto war w/ other countries we need to examine our policy. I dont' support the war, and if you say so, i dont support the troops, but i sure as hell think horribly of the administration when i hear that another of our men have died. I have a cousin goin to iraq soon, i sure as hell hope he comes home alive. but if we didn't go into this stupid war, i wouldn't have to worry about him dying in some desert halfway across the globe.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: broon

I'd still like to know what 20th century president during a war had previously actually served in combat.

The Dub's Daddy for one and JFK for another!

Thanks. Although I don't think serving qualifies you to make good decisions about entering a war. Just as I believe not serving disqualifies you.

 

[broon]

but these things happen because of our foreign policy.

I totally agree. If our foreign policy was like that of Saudi, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, then they wouldn't want to kill all the infidels.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: broon

but these things happen because of our foreign policy.

I totally agree. If our foreign policy was like that of Saudi, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, then they wouldn't want to kill all the infidels.

What? That made no sense.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Bullsh!t. There is no denying that Saddam was in violation of the cease fire by alternately kicking out inspectors, then leading them on when he allowed them in. Not ONCE has he been in compliance with 1441 since the end of the first Gulf War.

As for the WMD argument, it falls flat when you realize that EVERY intelligence agency in the world thought he had them, and was trying to build more. Even those countries who opposed military action did NOT debate whether or not he had them, they debated what to do about it.

And it now turns out many of those opposed to military action were on the take, taking kickbacks from the oil for food program.

In short, you're full of sh!t.

 

[Amused]

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[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: broon

but these things happen because of our foreign policy.

I totally agree. If our foreign policy was like that of Saudi, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, then they wouldn't want to kill all the infidels.

What? That made no sense.

i think hes saying that if we were a islamic fundamentalist country then they woudln't want to kill us all.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

What makes you think the Iraqi's don't want us there? Do you have friends in the Marines who went over there and know what they're fighting for? Do your friends from the Marines come back to tell you that they might not have supported the war, but the look and cheers they got rolling into town made them feel glad they did it? You're so biased b/c the media only chooses to show that we're getting shot at by some idiots, or a riot started showing people saying "Get out of the US". They never show the humanitarian side of the mission, or where people are actually glad we're there. If we pulled out now the men and women who have sacrified themselves for our country will have died in vain.

ok. granted there are some who do want us there, but there are others who were perfectly fine the way they were living. and some, now that they are liberated from hussein, want us out, and leave the governing to them. why can't we just do that? we toppled saddam, thats all we were after rite? Too many of our soldiers are dying, and for what? to give the iraqis freedom? who said they even wanted a democracy in the first place? its kind of presumptious of the US to go in assuming they want to live a certain way.

While the US can't help everyone, (clearly) the world does owe something to those who can't help themselves. Saddam has been documented as having killed over 1 million people - his own people - under his rule. To put it in perspective, 6 million Jews were killed during WWII. Should we sit idly by while we know this is happening? Like stated - we can't help everyone - there's obviously atrocities just as bad happening everywhere else, but we can't help everyone.

Assuming they want to live a certain way? What, did you watch that crapfest that was 9/11 by Michael Moore and see those kids running around on the morning before we started bombing them? Leave the governing to them? Do you seriously think they're capable of running the country now? How many of the appointed PMs/high ranking officials have gotten assasinated since? Yea, lets just drop everything and let the country go through a civil war.

 

[imported_KirbsAw]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

What makes you think the Iraqi's don't want us there? Do you have friends in the Marines who went over there and know what they're fighting for? Do your friends from the Marines come back to tell you that they might not have supported the war, but the look and cheers they got rolling into town made them feel glad they did it? You're so biased b/c the media only chooses to show that we're getting shot at by some idiots, or a riot started showing people saying "Get out of the US". They never show the humanitarian side of the mission, or where people are actually glad we're there. If we pulled out now the men and women who have sacrified themselves for our country will have died in vain.

ok. granted there are some who do want us there, but there are others who were perfectly fine the way they were living. and some, now that they are liberated from hussein, want us out, and leave the governing to them. why can't we just do that? we toppled saddam, thats all we were after rite? Too many of our soldiers are dying, and for what? to give the iraqis freedom? who said they even wanted a democracy in the first place? its kind of presumptious of the US to go in assuming they want to live a certain way.

While the US can't help everyone, (clearly) the world does owe something to those who can't help themselves. Saddam has been documented as having killed over 1 million people - his own people - under his rule. To put it in perspective, 6 million Jews were killed during WWII. Should we sit idly by while we know this is happening? Like stated - we can't help everyone - there's obviously atrocities just as bad happening everywhere else, but we can't help everyone.

Assuming they want to live a certain way? What, did you watch that crapfest that was 9/11 by Michael Moore and see those kids running around on the morning before we started bombing them? Leave the governing to them? Do you seriously think they're capable of running the country now? How many of the appointed PMs/high ranking officials have gotten assasinated since? Yea, lets just drop everything and let the country go through a civil war.

Where's the Justice League when you need them

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused
In short, you're full of sh!t.

Cool, he has something in common with the Dub, the Neocons and their supporters!

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Bullsh!t. There is no denying that Saddam was in violation of the cease fire by alternately kicking out inspectors, then leading them on when he allowed them in. Not ONCE has he been in compliance with 1441 since the end of the first Gulf War.

As for the WMD argument, it falls flat when you realize that EVERY intelligence agency in the world thought he had them, and was trying to build more. Even those countries who opposed military action did NOT debate whether or not he had them, they debated what to do about it.

And it now turns out many of those opposed to military action were on the take, taking kickbacks from the oil for food program.

In short, you're full of sh!t.

Rush Limbaugh is in the house
You have no proof that every other intelligence in the world thought he had them. I don't think they go around telling others what intelligence they have. Hans Blix was on the ground in Iraq, and he didn't find any WMD. Iraq didn't have WMD's which is what the goal of the UN resolutions was. So there was no need to go into Iraq.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

While the US can't help everyone, (clearly) the world does owe something to those who can't help themselves. Saddam has been documented as having killed over 1 million people - his own people - under his rule. To put it in perspective, 6 million Jews were killed during WWII. Should we sit idly by while we know this is happening? Like stated - we can't help everyone - there's obviously atrocities just as bad happening everywhere else, but we can't help everyone.

Assuming they want to live a certain way? What, did you watch that crapfest that was 9/11 by Michael Moore and see those kids running around on the morning before we started bombing them? Leave the governing to them? Do you seriously think they're capable of running the country now? How many of the appointed PMs/high ranking officials have gotten assasinated since? Yea, lets just drop everything and let the country go through a civil war.

so how do we pick and choose who we help? how come after years and years of human rights violations, we havne't invaded china? are they not causing enough suffering upon the tibetans? Yes we should leave the governing to them. there are civil wars going on all over, why this one?

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: broon

You aren't supporting the troops by saying you don't support the war. It's offensive to them and tells them you don't value what they are doing.

fine. i dont support the troops either then, but i have compassion for them. i hate that they are there fighting a war that i don't believe in. I hate that the administration used 9/11 to rally the citizens into going to war. I was there...i know people who narrowly missed being in the towers that day. i was in the middle of the rubble watching the towers fall. but these things happen because of our foreign policy. before we goto war w/ other countries we need to examine our policy. I dont' support the war, and if you say so, i dont support the troops, but i sure as hell think horribly of the administration when i hear that another of our men have died. I have a cousin goin to iraq soon, i sure as hell hope he comes home alive. but if we didn't go into this stupid war, i wouldn't have to worry about him dying in some desert halfway across the globe.

That is his choice, did he think he was going in to make birhday hats?

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

That is his choice, did he think he was going in to make birhday hats?

yeh and did he know he was going to war when he joined up 3 years ago? course not, no one knew...

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: broon

You aren't supporting the troops by saying you don't support the war. It's offensive to them and tells them you don't value what they are doing.

fine. i dont support the troops either then, but i have compassion for them. i hate that they are there fighting a war that i don't believe in. I hate that the administration used 9/11 to rally the citizens into going to war. I was there...i know people who narrowly missed being in the towers that day. i was in the middle of the rubble watching the towers fall. but these things happen because of our foreign policy. before we goto war w/ other countries we need to examine our policy. I dont' support the war, and if you say so, i dont support the troops, but i sure as hell think horribly of the administration when i hear that another of our men have died. I have a cousin goin to iraq soon, i sure as hell hope he comes home alive. but if we didn't go into this stupid war, i wouldn't have to worry about him dying in some desert halfway across the globe.

The towers didn't fall because of policy. They fell because the men in control of those
commerical airliners hated America and everything American.

I guess we could have a policy of appeasement and give the middle east dwellers everything
they want so they would "like us". But I don't believe that would work.

Islam may be a peaceful religion (according to some) but apparently the hijackers were of another
denomination than the mainstream Islamic person.

So I don't knock the Islamic followers.....but I sure as heck do knock those who
set their sights on Americans whether domestically or abroad.

 

[Isshinryu]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

That is his choice, did he think he was going in to make birhday hats?

yeh and did he know he was going to war when he joined up 3 years ago? course not, no one knew...

If you join a military force, you should go in knowing that you may one day be called to fight. You'd have to be an utter gobshite to not think otherwise.

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

In short, you're full of sh!t.

Cool, he has something in common with the Dub, the Neocons and their supporters!

And MOST ATOT posters

 

[Red Dawn]

WTF was the big hurry to take care of Iraq, they weren't a threat. I'll tell you what the big hurry was. The Dub and his band of Nefarious Neocons saw an opportunity that may not come again and that was the aftermath of 9/11 and the Shock and Horror that was still reverberating around this nation. Thery knew that if they presented it right they could dupe the American People into supporting the Dub's excellent adventure there. So they BS'd us with tales of an Advanced Nuclear weapons Program, Misled us about Alleged ties between Al Qaeda and Hussien (who was on Bin Laden's sh!tlist for having a Secular Government) and marched poor old Colin Powell out with fabricated Charts and Diagrams of where these so called WMD's were being stored and Manufactured. It was the biggest snowjob pulled om Americans since the BS Gulf of Tonkin Lie!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: broon

You aren't supporting the troops by saying you don't support the war. It's offensive to them and tells them you don't value what they are doing.

fine. i dont support the troops either then, but i have compassion for them. i hate that they are there fighting a war that i don't believe in. I hate that the administration used 9/11 to rally the citizens into going to war. I was there...i know people who narrowly missed being in the towers that day. i was in the middle of the rubble watching the towers fall. but these things happen because of our foreign policy. before we goto war w/ other countries we need to examine our policy. I dont' support the war, and if you say so, i dont support the troops, but i sure as hell think horribly of the administration when i hear that another of our men have died. I have a cousin goin to iraq soon, i sure as hell hope he comes home alive. but if we didn't go into this stupid war, i wouldn't have to worry about him dying in some desert halfway across the globe.

The towers didn't fall because of policy. They fell because the men in control of those
commerical airliners hated America and everything American.

I guess we could have a policy of appeasement and give the middle east dwellers everything
they want so they would "like us". But I don't believe that would work.

Islam may be a peaceful religion (according to some) but apparently the hijackers were of another
denomination than the mainstream Islamic person.

So I don't knock the Islamic followers.....but I sure as heck do knock those who
set their sights on Americans whether domestically or abroad.

Yeah to bad the war of Terror got hijacked by the Dub's Excellent Adventure in Iraq!

 

[desiplaya4life]

Originally posted by: Doboji
I'm so upset and disturbed right now I can barely speak or type.

A few moments ago I passed by several dozen wounded soldiers missing arms, missing legs. These men are recently recovered from Iraq. I am so disturbed and absolutely humbled by the sacrifice these men have made for the good of humanity.

And I am so angry at all of humanity for our absolute selfishness with which we look upon Iraq, and other conflicts throughout the world. So often we hear of Bush this, Haliburton that, cheney this. But why were we so selfish to allow that question to even exist. Why is everyone in the world looking this situation throwing their hands up in the air, and saying "not my problem"... why are we living our cushy little lives, driving our cushy little cars, drinking beer and relaxing while so many of our young men are giving their lives and limbs for the good of humanity. How is it that we allow places like Iraq, and people like Saddam to exist?... Isn't it time for us to stand together, and get this mess cleaned up?... Shouldn't france, and germany, and every other country in the world step up to the plate and say this is a HUMAN problem. Put their fvcking troops on the ground, put their money to work, and clean up our own human mess? If everyone was involved there could be no question of motives... no stealing of oil.... the world has the power to set the goals of the mission and ensure the success. Iraq should be humanities mission, not just the US. But we're all too selfish...

I am ashamed right now, ashamed that I walk on two legs, have the use of both arms, can see with both eyes. Compared to these men I am nothing... all I can do is sit here and cry quietly to myself... In utter awe of these men, I will forever feel indebted to them... I am grateful for my small support position where I can do just a little something to support these larger than life heroes.

-Max

oh this makes me a little ticky.. u are fu king wrong.. all the other countries are doing the right thing. MINDING THEIR OWN DAMN BUSINESS>. lol u and ur stupid soldiers u seen.. you guys just preach what the media tells you.. go in iraq and see for yourself.. we are doing no good to ourselves or iraq. U.S. is in their to make money. there were no weaponds of mass destruction as "bush primary reason to go" and why did bush care to "free the iraqi" people when they are rebellious against the idea? they were living a perfect normal iraqi life until bush stepped in... and the 9/11 attack this you dont even know but its all related to the bin laden's business agenda w/ them and bush something went wrong or bush wanted to attack his own land to start this regime to attack the middle eastern. infact the truth is that on the 9/11 all jews were off that day. did anybody know that? NO CUZ U FOLLOW THE FU KING MEDIA>

yea i am not supporting bush and i feel pity for the soldiers cuz they are powerless and cant find the truth behind their mission.. damn bush :|


if you read Qu'ran or even know some facts about islam, you will see its the most peaceful religion out of any others... these so called "terrorists" are just putting bad name towards islam. and i believe that the goverment is just persuing terrorists to do more and more damage to their citizens so they have more and more reason to destroy the land of the people. why in the speech do bush emphasize that terrorist cant touch us, they will be caught, or they are useless. that is more like encouraging more and more terrorist to attack U.S or rebel against the soldiers in U.S (i.e. beheadings )

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: broonYou aren't supporting the troops by saying you don't support the war. It's offensive to them and tells them you don't value what they are doing.

then let them be offended. I would rather have them offended and home safe rather than getting blown up by RPGs every other day. I don't value what they're doing in Iraq.