Illegal voter found in TX

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Bowfinger

Lifer
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Zero tolerance for voter fraud is not a difficult concept to accept.
Nor is zero tolerance for voter suppression. The problem with your cherished voter suppression laws (aside from the dishonesty of their authors) is that they disenfranchise tens of thousands of legitimate voters for every fraudulent vote they prevent. These laws have nothing to do with voter fraud and everything to do with helping Republicans rig elections. Full stop.
 

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Lifer
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Interesting exercise to try; can you add up all proven, verified in-person voter frauds in US election history and still come up with a number that would have changed the outcome of even one federal election in 2016? Answer is previewed below.

NEIN
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
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Just showing it's not so difficult to get a birth certificate
Yes, and if you were the center of the universe, your personal anecdote might be meaningful. You aren't and it isn't.

This is a perfect example of modern Republicans' total lack of empathy. If they've not personally experienced an issue, they deny its validity. Too many Republicans presume their own suburban, white bread existence is some sort of law of nature that applies to all 300+ million Americans. They are wrong. For millions of Americans, getting the required current, state-issued, photo ID is a substantial burden due to the difficulty and costs of obtaining the required documents, travel, accessibility, etc.
 

Jhhnn

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http://www.vote411.org/
Almost any and all social workers will aid an elderly woman in the steps to legally vote. While it may not be possible on Nov. 7th, if they take even the most minimal effort there's help out there. Please don't try to pretend that it isn't true.

Please don't try to pretend that there's cause to inconvenience any voter more than they already are.

Voter fraud isn't the problem. Voter suppression is the problem.
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
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You know, I've heard that line about "adults need to show their ID's every day" BS I'm getting damned sick of it.

In the last 5 years, I've had to show my ID 4 times....twice to open checking accounts, twice for house purchases.

Other than that, not once, but then again, I'd never buy Nyquil or Dayquil (and I honestly don't understand why anyone does, but that's another matter.)

And I also realize you have little to no concept of rural living or the inhabitants of rural areas, being that you're a city boy.

Here's a scenario playing out next door to us. 78 y.o. black retired woman, needs ID to vote. She quit driving almost 2 decades ago and her driver's license has long ago expired. She wanted to vote this election and here's the hoops she had to try to jump through.

To obtain a new ID, she's got to travel about 1 hr. of driving, one way. (It's about 45 miles to Athens, all back road...took us an hour when we made the trek.) She also has to have birth certificate, marriage certificate (have to have chain of proof for name changes),original SS card or a "real" replacement (how the DMV authenticates the replacement SS card is "real" is beyond me, but that's what they say), and two pieces of mail addressed to her, proving residence.

Well, she had the mail...property tax bill and utility bill. But here's where it fell apart for her. She wasn't born in a hospital as was the case for many blacks in the late 1930's. So tracking down her birth cert. was difficult and almost unobtainable because, suprise, surprise, they wanted a state ID to get a copy...Catch 22.

Then she couldn't locate her marriage cert., which she couldn't find. Not surprising, given it was issued over 54 years ago and she'd moved a couple of times since. (Her record keeping, while decent, isn't perfect.) And to add insult to injury, she was married in Columbia, SC and she's a GA resident.

Now, between her daughter, who took a day off from work to dedicate getting the marriage cert., which failed, and me driving her to ATL to obtain her birth cert. (since she didn't have state issued ID, she couldn't order the stuff online like they want you to do, instead she had to physically appear at each place and hope her preponderance of the evidence would satisfy that particular institution's requirements.)

Getting the marriage cert. failed because SC required her to present a state ID, but she cannot get a GA state issued ID because she cannot establish the name change trail. Catch 22 again.

But, yeah......it's so easy for everyone.
That's an excellent example of how and why getting an acceptable ID can be difficult for many people. This woman is lucky her daughter was close enough to help, and that she had such a helpful neighbor. Many are not so fortunate. Kudos to you for stepping up.
 

Jhhnn

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Arguing about the difficulty in obtaining ID lets voter suppression advocates sidestep the fact that they can't show cause for voter ID at all. Don't buy into it.
 
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agent00f

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I've seen people who get their ID's changed within 30 days of getting married or moving without issue. The problem most are ignorant of the law and wait to the last minute to comply with the law.
Just to add, I had to get a copy of my Virginia birth certificate for proving my citizenship as part of the immigration visa process for my wife and step-daughter. I ordered it online and did not choose expedited service. I had it within one week in Texas, had I still been in Virginia I would have had it in 3 days.

There are people who actually study these issues, but in the conservative mind facts are irrelevant given one guy's circumstances.
 
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I have to show my ID at least 30 times a year, when getting site specific training for plants I'll be working at, when I'm obtaining a plant ID card prior to entering the plant, and at random/plant wide drug screens. When I used to travel by plane I used to show my ID at least 150 times a year.

And?
 

JSt0rm

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Except that they are not prevented from voting and to make the claim that they are, you have to lie.

the point is to make people jump through hoops to be able to vote. This reduces the number of liberals who will vote. Increasing the value of a conservative vote. Thats the point of this whole charade.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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Someone said they have to show their ID a few times a year so I countered their input.

I have 4 recognized photo IDs, Texas DL, Texas CHL, Passport, & TWIC.

So what? Show us this massive voter fraud that's happening. Proof. Unless you think million of liberals are getting away with it every 4 years? And nobody ever talks about it?
 
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Someone said they have to show their ID a few times a year so I countered their input.

I have 4 recognized photo IDs, Texas DL, Texas CHL, Passport, & TWIC.


And in the last year I've had to show my official id maybe 3 or 4 times to pick up an amazon delivery at the post office and that's it.

Again, and?
 
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you really are one special snowflake, tajjy
Do you believe the word of a defense attorney for a convicted felon?

gul·li·ble
ˈɡələb(ə)l/
adjective
  1. easily persuaded to believe something; credulous.
    "an attempt to persuade a gullible public to spend their money"
    synonyms: credulous, naive, overtrusting, overtrustful, easily deceived, easily taken in, exploitable, dupable, impressionable, unsuspecting, unsuspicious, unwary, ingenuous, innocent, inexperienced, unworldly, green;"

  2. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gullible
 

fskimospy

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So what? Show us this massive voter fraud that's happening. Proof. Unless you think million of liberals are getting away with it every 4 years? And nobody ever talks about it?

It is amazing that conservatives simultaneously think that millions of people are voting illegally each year but we just can't catch any.
 

Londo_Jowo

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And in the last year I've had to show my official id maybe 3 or 4 times to pick up an amazon delivery at the post office and that's it.

Again, and?
And? Many people have use IDs far more often.

In Texas you can get a birth certificate just for use in acquiring an Election ID Card both of which are free if you can't afford to get a normal ID.
 
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It is amazing that conservatives simultaneously think that millions of people are voting illegally each year but we just can't catch any.
This whole thread is about one that was caught and convicted, but i KNEW you were going to lie about it.

Derp derp "we just can't catch any" Thanks fskhole
 

Jhhnn

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This whole thread is about one that was caught and convicted, but i KNEW you were going to lie about it.

Derp derp "we just can't catch any" Thanks fskhole

You just can't catch nearly enough to justify the voter suppression that you want. Witness recent Federal court decisions in WI, TX & NC.
 

Jhhnn

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Do you believe the word of a defense attorney for a convicted felon?

gul·li·ble
ˈɡələb(ə)l/
adjective
  1. easily persuaded to believe something; credulous.
    "an attempt to persuade a gullible public to spend their money"
    synonyms: credulous, naive, overtrusting, overtrustful, easily deceived, easily taken in, exploitable, dupable, impressionable, unsuspecting, unsuspicious, unwary, ingenuous, innocent, inexperienced, unworldly, green;"

  2. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gullible

Give us an alternative rationale for the woman to do what she did. Is she part of some great conspiracy? Is it Jade Helm?
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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Give us an alternative rationale for the woman to do what she did. Is she part of some great conspiracy? Is it Jade Helm?

why didnt she fold on the millions of others? She must be an elite liberal soldier to cover for millions of others.