Illegal voter found in TX

[BoomerD]

so stupid. 2 votes and boom 8 years in prison and deportation. for 2 votes. lol.

I agree. Deportation should be enough. Putting her in prison means the taxpayers are going to have to feed her, clothe her, be responsible for her medical costs, etc.

 

[Jhhnn]

I agree. Deportation should be enough. Putting her in prison means the taxpayers are going to have to feed her, clothe her, be responsible for her medical costs, etc.

They just love to feed the prison industrial complex in Texas. How about calling it a misdemeanor, giving her a month in jail, send her home to take care of her American citizen kids? I don't think she'd be a repeat offender.

 

[JSt0rm]

I agree. Deportation should be enough. Putting her in prison means the taxpayers are going to have to feed her, clothe her, be responsible for her medical costs, etc.

the reality is we are good at catching people who vote illegally. the boogy man the right have put up to create laws to stop people from voting have nothing to do with illegal voting and everything about suppressing the votes of the wrong people.

 

[jman19]

the reality is we are good at catching people who vote illegally. the boogy man the right have put up to create laws to stop people from voting have nothing to do with illegal voting and everything about suppressing the votes of the wrong people.

Question: why do you hate America?

 

[JSt0rm]

Question: why do you hate America?

because its full of red neck retards.

 

[Paratus]

Mostly agreed. Few illegals are so dumb or so ill-informed that they try to vote. There's nothing in it for them except grief.

It's Texas Republicans trying to reinforce their rationale for voter suppression. Their voter fraud bullshit has never been anything but cover for that.

I think voter ID is coming. I think in this state and any others with republican majority state representation that minorities and liberals are going to need to make sure they have up to date documents available now.

Drivers licenses, state IDs and birth certificates need to be gotten now, not in 2018. Because in 2018 they are going to purge the voter rolls of anyone that isn't obviously republican and require strict ID to register and to vote.

There will be no Justice Dept lawsuits to combat any over reach. So it's going to be up to the citizens to be ready to jump through all the hoops to get registered and vote. We've got to start now.

 

[Ackmed]

because its full of red neck retards.

If you hate America so much, leave. But we all know that won't happen. Keep looking down at people you think are lesser and insulting them though, it's part of the reason we are where we are today.

I think voter ID is coming. I think in this state and any others with republican majority state representation that minorities and liberals are going to need to make sure they have up to date documents available now.

Drivers licenses, state IDs and birth certificates need to be gotten now, not in 2018. Because in 2018 they are going to purge the voter rolls of anyone that isn't obviously republican and require strict ID to register and to vote.

There will be no Justice Dept lawsuits to combat any over reach. So it's going to be up to the citizens to be ready to jump through all the hoops to get registered and vote. We've got to start now.

Jumping through hoops? Hardly. It's incredibly easy to register to vote. As an adult ID's are needed for lots of every day things. I had to use one to buy fucking Dayquil last week. I was honestly surprised. Voting and owning a firearm are both rights. Funny that the same person will want ID's for one but not the other, when using the claim that voting is a right and anything else is suppressing it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If you hate America so much, leave. But we all know that won't happen. Keep looking down at people you think are lesser and insulting them though, it's part of the reason we are where we are today.



Jumping through hoops? Hardly. It's incredibly easy to register to vote. As an adult ID's are needed for lots of every day things. I had to use one to buy fucking Dayquil last week. I was honestly surprised. Voting and owning a firearm are both rights. Funny that the same person will want ID's for one but not the other, when using the claim that voting is a right and anything else is suppressing it.

Interesting point on guns. I'm a pretty left guy and I'm fine with ID to vote. I don't think it will solve anything but I hate the bickering. However the ID needs to be:
Free, completely free
Easy to obtain
Convenient to obtain, even for someone without a car, no having said ID places open two days a week for a few hours, a process to get an ID to someone who is house bound, no games about what ID is required to get the voter ID
Certified ID inspection staff at all voter locations
No playing games with checking every ID for 10 minutes at some locations and not looking a it at other locations. Having ID required should not increase the amount of time to vote.
There needs to be some kind of fast replacement policy for people who lost them or can't find them on election day.

 

[Ackmed]

Just an observation I've noticed. Typically people will scream and yell that ID's to vote is not what the Constitution says. Anything of the sort is suppression. Yet the same people don't have the same opinion on guns, which is also a right of the Constitution. I would argue that putting some people in office can be worse than giving a criminal a gun.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...cords-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.

Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.

Such a close state. .2% difference. Far more votes than voters. Seems to be a problem, no? Could ID's have prevented this? Sure wouldn't have hurt. Dems wanted to recount some areas after election, sure seems like this should have been on that list.

I have no problem with the ID being free. Perhaps make a voting only ID? I dunno. People shouldn't have to pay to vote, I don't agree with that. As an adult, there are so many reasons to have an ID. Drinking, buying a plane/bus/etc ticket, some medicines at checkout, even seen at NC17 movie. So many common things that require an ID, I can't imagine being without one. Id's typically last for 4 years, so it's not like its an every day thing. Renewal around here is by mail too. So someone would only have to physically go to a place to get an ID once. Sure some people have a harder time than others doing that, I don't think its out of reach at all. As an adult, I would think a person would want an ID for the number of other things required to have one for. I don't by the house bound excuse, people travel. They know people who have vehicles. They can get somewhere if they really want to.

 

[agent00f]

If you hate America so much, leave. But we all know that won't happen. Keep looking down at people you think are lesser and insulting them though, it's part of the reason we are where we are today.

Jumping through hoops? Hardly. It's incredibly easy to register to vote. As an adult ID's are needed for lots of every day things. I had to use one to buy fucking Dayquil last week. I was honestly surprised. Voting and owning a firearm are both rights. Funny that the same person will want ID's for one but not the other, when using the claim that voting is a right and anything else is suppressing it.

Let's not pretend you can't compare numbers, in this case adults without such ID vs fraud cases requiring ID would prevent. Rather obvious the crux of this topic involves integrity, namely that of american conservatives, and how dumb they're willing to pretend to be or whatever it takes for the cause.

 

[mikeymikec]

I would argue that putting some people in office can be worse than giving a criminal a gun.

I'm interested in hearing that argument. I'm sure that there's a lot of hypothetical "but think about just how bad a leader you could get" mileage, but on the other hand, gun crime statistics pretty much take care of all but the most extreme of hypothetical bad leader scenarios.

Furthermore, ballots are secret because of the potential for abuse. Arguing that abuse could be avoided by ditching an effective anti-abuse measure doesn't make much sense.

 

[Meghan54]

You know, I've heard that line about "adults need to show their ID's every day" BS I'm getting damned sick of it.

In the last 5 years, I've had to show my ID 4 times....twice to open checking accounts, twice for house purchases.

Other than that, not once, but then again, I'd never buy Nyquil or Dayquil (and I honestly don't understand why anyone does, but that's another matter.)

And I also realize you have little to no concept of rural living or the inhabitants of rural areas, being that you're a city boy.

Here's a scenario playing out next door to us. 78 y.o. black retired woman, needs ID to vote. She quit driving almost 2 decades ago and her driver's license has long ago expired. She wanted to vote this election and here's the hoops she had to try to jump through.

To obtain a new ID, she's got to travel about 1 hr. of driving, one way. (It's about 45 miles to Athens, all back road...took us an hour when we made the trek.) She also has to have birth certificate, marriage certificate (have to have chain of proof for name changes),original SS card or a "real" replacement (how the DMV authenticates the replacement SS card is "real" is beyond me, but that's what they say), and two pieces of mail addressed to her, proving residence.

Well, she had the mail...property tax bill and utility bill. But here's where it fell apart for her. She wasn't born in a hospital as was the case for many blacks in the late 1930's. So tracking down her birth cert. was difficult and almost unobtainable because, suprise, surprise, they wanted a state ID to get a copy...Catch 22.

Then she couldn't locate her marriage cert., which she couldn't find. Not surprising, given it was issued over 54 years ago and she'd moved a couple of times since. (Her record keeping, while decent, isn't perfect.) And to add insult to injury, she was married in Columbia, SC and she's a GA resident.

Now, between her daughter, who took a day off from work to dedicate getting the marriage cert., which failed, and me driving her to ATL to obtain her birth cert. (since she didn't have state issued ID, she couldn't order the stuff online like they want you to do, instead she had to physically appear at each place and hope her preponderance of the evidence would satisfy that particular institution's requirements.)

Getting the marriage cert. failed because SC required her to present a state ID, but she cannot get a GA state issued ID because she cannot establish the name change trail. Catch 22 again.

But, yeah......it's so easy for everyone.

If you hate America so much, leave. But we all know that won't happen. Keep looking down at people you think are lesser and insulting them though, it's part of the reason we are where we are today.



Jumping through hoops? Hardly. It's incredibly easy to register to vote. As an adult ID's are needed for lots of every day things. I had to use one to buy fucking Dayquil last week. I was honestly surprised. Voting and owning a firearm are both rights. Funny that the same person will want ID's for one but not the other, when using the claim that voting is a right and anything else is suppressing it.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I have to show my ID at least 30 times a year, when getting site specific training for plants I'll be working at, when I'm obtaining a plant ID card prior to entering the plant, and at random/plant wide drug screens. When I used to travel by plane I used to show my ID at least 150 times a year.

 

[mikeymikec]

You know, I've heard that line about "adults need to show their ID's every day" BS I'm getting damned sick of it.

In the last 5 years, I've had to show my ID 4 times....twice to open checking accounts, twice for house purchases.

Occasionally the person at the local mail depot doesn't recognise me and asks for ID before giving me a parcel that I wasn't home for. That probably happens a few times a year. I can't think of any other common scenarios for me.

My wife often has to show ID for buying alcohol or fireworks. Still not quite "every day", is it...

 

[fskimospy]

Just an observation I've noticed. Typically people will scream and yell that ID's to vote is not what the Constitution says. Anything of the sort is suppression. Yet the same people don't have the same opinion on guns, which is also a right of the Constitution. I would argue that putting some people in office can be worse than giving a criminal a gun.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...cords-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

Such a close state. .2% difference. Far more votes than voters. Seems to be a problem, no? Could ID's have prevented this? Sure wouldn't have hurt. Dems wanted to recount some areas after election, sure seems like this should have been on that list.

No, ID would not have helped because:

1) there's no evidence of any ineligible people voting there.
2) the problem listed there was a discrepancy between the number of ballots and the number of people recorded as voting, which ID would not prevent.
3) the vast majority of precincts were off by a only one or two votes, indicating human error in counting.

http://www.snopes.com/more-votes-than-voters-in-detroit/

This was a meaningless administrative issue that got blown up in conservative media for...well... obvious reasons.

I have no problem with the ID being free. Perhaps make a voting only ID? I dunno. People shouldn't have to pay to vote, I don't agree with that. As an adult, there are so many reasons to have an ID. Drinking, buying a plane/bus/etc ticket, some medicines at checkout, even seen at NC17 movie. So many common things that require an ID, I can't imagine being without one. Id's typically last for 4 years, so it's not like its an every day thing. Renewal around here is by mail too. So someone would only have to physically go to a place to get an ID once. Sure some people have a harder time than others doing that, I don't think its out of reach at all. As an adult, I would think a person would want an ID for the number of other things required to have one for. I don't by the house bound excuse, people travel. They know people who have vehicles. They can get somewhere if they really want to.

You might not be able to comprehend how someone is literally unable to get an ID but it's a practical reality for millions of people. Lots of US citizens lack the paperwork to get an ID, meaning voter ID laws effectively remove their constitutional right. Replacement papers cost lots of money that they don't have, in plenty of states where these poor people live there is no DMV even remotely nearby, etc. I would suggest reading some of the federal court decisions that have struck down voter ID laws as they go into a lot more detail.

Most importantly though it all comes back to this: proponents of voter ID have never been able to provide a single shred of evidence that the type of voter fraud that ID would prevent actually happens in any even remotely meaningful numbers. If you can't do that then nothing else matters because that means the law is irrational. Want voter ID? Show me empirically what positive effects it will have.

 

[brycejones]

I have to show my ID at least 30 times a year, when getting site specific training for plants I'll be working at, when I'm obtaining a plant ID card prior to entering the plant, and at random/plant wide drug screens. When I used to travel by plane I used to show my ID at least 150 times a year.

Cool story bro. Now contrast that with meghan54's post which really represents the kind of voter that is deliberately screwed over by these laws.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Cool story bro. Now contrast that with meghan54's post which really represents the kind of voter that is deliberately screwed over by these laws.

I've seen people who get their ID's changed within 30 days of getting married or moving without issue. The problem most are ignorant of the law and wait to the last minute to comply with the law.

 

[fskimospy]

If you hate America so much, leave. But we all know that won't happen. Keep looking down at people you think are lesser and insulting them though, it's part of the reason we are where we are today.

Jumping through hoops? Hardly. It's incredibly easy to register to vote. As an adult ID's are needed for lots of every day things. I had to use one to buy fucking Dayquil last week. I was honestly surprised. Voting and owning a firearm are both rights. Funny that the same person will want ID's for one but not the other, when using the claim that voting is a right and anything else is suppressing it.

Needing an ID for DayQuil is irrelevant as it relates to your right to vote.

As for needing an ID for a gun and not to vote it's as simple as can be. People frequently attempt to purchase firearms while concealing their identity for the purposes of criminal activity. Thus, taking steps to limit this makes sense. People functionally never attempt to conceal their identity to vote in person by impersonating someone else. Thus, requiring ID for that is illogical and a waste of time and resources.

All constitutional rights can be restricted if the government can make a case for a compelling interest. That's pretty easy to do with guns and basically impossible to do with voter ID.

Simple.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Cool story bro. Now contrast that with meghan54's post which really represents the kind of voter that is deliberately screwed over by these laws.

It's a sob story made up bullshit post. It may affect .0001% of the population and if she made a call help would have been provided. Much the same as fskholes "no evidence" claim. If they want evidence all they would have to do is look.

 

[Jhhnn]

You know, I've heard that line about "adults need to show their ID's every day" BS I'm getting damned sick of it.

In the last 5 years, I've had to show my ID 4 times....twice to open checking accounts, twice for house purchases.

Other than that, not once, but then again, I'd never buy Nyquil or Dayquil (and I honestly don't understand why anyone does, but that's another matter.)

And I also realize you have little to no concept of rural living or the inhabitants of rural areas, being that you're a city boy.

Here's a scenario playing out next door to us. 78 y.o. black retired woman, needs ID to vote. She quit driving almost 2 decades ago and her driver's license has long ago expired. She wanted to vote this election and here's the hoops she had to try to jump through.

To obtain a new ID, she's got to travel about 1 hr. of driving, one way. (It's about 45 miles to Athens, all back road...took us an hour when we made the trek.) She also has to have birth certificate, marriage certificate (have to have chain of proof for name changes),original SS card or a "real" replacement (how the DMV authenticates the replacement SS card is "real" is beyond me, but that's what they say), and two pieces of mail addressed to her, proving residence.

Well, she had the mail...property tax bill and utility bill. But here's where it fell apart for her. She wasn't born in a hospital as was the case for many blacks in the late 1930's. So tracking down her birth cert. was difficult and almost unobtainable because, suprise, surprise, they wanted a state ID to get a copy...Catch 22.

Then she couldn't locate her marriage cert., which she couldn't find. Not surprising, given it was issued over 54 years ago and she'd moved a couple of times since. (Her record keeping, while decent, isn't perfect.) And to add insult to injury, she was married in Columbia, SC and she's a GA resident.

Now, between her daughter, who took a day off from work to dedicate getting the marriage cert., which failed, and me driving her to ATL to obtain her birth cert. (since she didn't have state issued ID, she couldn't order the stuff online like they want you to do, instead she had to physically appear at each place and hope her preponderance of the evidence would satisfy that particular institution's requirements.)

Getting the marriage cert. failed because SC required her to present a state ID, but she cannot get a GA state issued ID because she cannot establish the name change trail. Catch 22 again.

But, yeah......it's so easy for everyone.

Voter ID isn't about voter fraud but rather about vote suppression. If it were about fraud then advocates would be able to document fraud at a level sufficient to warrant action. They cannot. They merely claim it could happen.

It needs to be understood that the conservative ruling class, represented by Republicans, does not want honest democracy. They don't want everybody to vote. They've studied the situation extensively and voter ID is just one of the ways they try to limit voting to their constituencies & limit representation of opposition groups.

A person needs to believe in things that aren't true in order to miss the rank insincerity behind the arguments.

 

[fskimospy]

It's a sob story made up bullshit post. It may affect .0001% of the population and if she made a call help would have been provided. Much the same as fskholes "no evidence" claim. If they want evidence all they would have to do is look.

Lots of people have looked. The government had engaged in extensive investigation to try and locate this mythical voter fraud and has failed every time. You guys simply ignore empirical evidence because it doesn't tell you what you want to hear.

It's especially bizarre because a lack of voter fraud is what you claim to want. Interesting.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Just to add, I had to get a copy of my Virginia birth certificate for proving my citizenship as part of the immigration visa process for my wife and step-daughter. I ordered it online and did not choose expedited service. I had it within one week in Texas, had I still been in Virginia I would have had it in 3 days.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's a sob story made up bullshit post. It may affect .0001% of the population and if she made a call help would have been provided. Much the same as fskholes "no evidence" claim. If they want evidence all they would have to do is look.

First show us the fraud. That's the critical issue no matter how badly you want to assume that it's a real problem in need of a solution.

We both know you can't do that.

 

[fskimospy]

Just to add, I had to get a copy of my Virginia birth certificate for proving my citizenship as part of the immigration visa process for my wife and step-daughter. I ordered it online and did not choose expedited service. I had it within one week in Texas, had I still been in Virginia I would have had it in 3 days.

How much did it cost? Also, why is the ease of complying with a pointless requirement relevant?

 

[Jhhnn]

Just to add, I had to get a copy of my Virginia birth certificate for proving my citizenship as part of the immigration visa process for my wife and step-daughter. I ordered it online and did not choose expedited service. I had it within one week in Texas, had I still been in Virginia I would have had it in 3 days.

So what?