exdeath
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- Jan 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: utfrodo54
Originally posted by: exdeath
I like that. I would like Mexico to always be there and always be the same when I go there, because, well, it's Mexico.
I would like the same for my country as well. As it stands, unlike Mexico's policy, it's too easy for any faction to come over here and exploit our immigration policies to change the definition of America to suit their own ends. That we share a land border with Mexico that allows such large numbers of immigrants makes the problem unique to Central and South American immigration unlike any other group.
See now we are getting somewhere. You are entitled to this vision, just as anyone is entitled to give one.
Just remember that there are just as many out there that want control/order of the influx of people, but are open to allowing OUR great resources to benefit others born outside of an imaginary line because people aren't given a choice of what nationality vagina to come out of, "bad culture" and all are welcomed.
Yes they are welcome to come here to America, become Americans, and have the same chances for opportunity as everyone else in America. But they are not entitled anything, and they are not welcome to come here and meddle in our politics or laws and turn my country into their country or ignore our established ways (i.e.: capitalism instead of socialism, etc.)
We have our ways. Mexico has their ways. Pick which place is more agreeable to you and don't meddle.
are open to allowing OUR great resources to benefit others
This line of yours highlights much of my concern... it concerns me dearly that you made it a point to emphasize OUR... do you mean your resources or mine or just those like you willing to help others? Are you assuming that my resources are collectively part of yours and free to be dispensed as you see fit? And if I don't feel the same are you going to use force to take them away from me and give them to someone else that you feel deserves them more?
That is not the American way of being free to pursue your own life liberty and happiness without others interfering by taking them from you when you achieve them. This is EXACTLY the kind of political and socioeconomic manipulation that fuels my concerns.
Now if you mean they are free to come here, earn wages in exchange for labor, exchange wages for goods and services, with anyone who voluntarily participates in those interactions, then I agree 100%.
I don't care if it that is an Escalade with 26" gold rims as long as I'm not subsidizing something out of my pocket to allow it to happen. If you break laws, disrespect others, damage my property, expect to compensate those you inconvenienced for it, and if you can't afford food or diapers because you spent all your money on a big screen TV, thats not my problem either; I shouldn't have to give up the resources I earned via my own labor in order to ease the burden for someone who made a poor decision that may be hard and uncomfortable to recover from.
In all honesty, I don't even care if people could drink and drive if they had the self restraint to know their own limits instead of everyone being held to some arbitrary blood alcohol level defined by the government. But at least if a US citizen rear ends me and runs away, I have legal recourse. Illegals are pretty much immune to prosecution, they just get deported to come back another day. Same goes for smoking and everything else, and I don't drink or smoke. But if I did I would have the common decency to know that I might be engaging in acts that potentially affect other people against their will (ie: causing smoke, etc) without there having to be a law for it.
You are free to earn income and do what you please with it, but do not involve people that do not wish to be involved and do not meddle with our politics to otherwise force them.
And really that is the fundamental problem I have with illegal immigration. Just about everything I debate here comes down to 'socialism vs capitalism' or 'left vs right' because really the only thing I vehemently fight for is people being free to do what they chose as long as it doesn't take from others against their will.
