Illegal immigration a disaster for the United States.

[THUGSROOK]

Originally posted by: MagicConch

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Elect a real American not American Hating Rich Boys or Girls.

Rich people in my city live in houses built by illegal immigrants.

thats too bad cause they do chitty construction work.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: MagicConch

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
We never had illegal immigration as bad as this before but we've always had rich people, so I disagree.

We can stop this, we just have to get tough with ALL PARTIES INVOLVED.

I agree with you on the second point that getting tough on all parties will be necessary to stop this. It seems like a tough job to fight both sides at once , I do not envy those who attempt to take on this problem. re: rich, I think the reason it's moreso now is NAFTA so there are less regulation on vehicles bringing goods into the country (and that makes it easier to smuggle this work in), unions with stiff demands, and police willing to look the other way nowadays.

I think there is the mistaken perception these guys come across the border in small cars or on foot, and that if we build a big wall it will help control it. The planned wall is purely to appease blue collar so there seems to be an attempt to control this.

Many of these people come together in well planned attempt involving vehicles and trucks carrying goods. When they get here they have secured an apt (where do they get the money for this) and stay here for several weeks, before returning and switching places with others. They find specific locations, which are known clearly by the police b/c they are in broad daylight, where they sit in the morning and people come up and say 'I need three today' and three load up and are dropped off by the contractors at the end of the day (the same blue collar managers that claim to be anti-illegal immigration) at which point they do not return to mexico but to their local apt. during the weekend or when goods are scheduled to go to mexico, they return in those trucks, etc.

Occasionally the police will bring up a border control van to take a bunch of them back for appearance sake. if you notice this is almost always later in the day around 9 or 10 after the contractors have picked up the work for the day and since the workers return to the apt not to mexico it has little effect on them (except for the ones who are round up) those return home and prepare in a few weeks for the next group. I know this for a fact because they do this close to my home and contractors have told me this firsthand.

And there is also the mistaken perception that all these guys are unskilled. Often these guys despite being illegal are skilled in the construction work they do since they are always hired to do the same work and are passed around when the contractors no longer need them for that job. I can think of one guy who specialized in handrails and another in granite in marble for ex.

LOL, we will build a wall if for no other reason but to send the message "STAY OUT - NOT WANTED". The rich will just have to clean their own pools, or make their kids do it.

It's just a bitch that the rich can't outsource all our jobs, but they'll just have to get over it (and themselves).

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

It's just a bitch that the rich can't outsource all our jobs, but they'll just have to get over it (and themselves).

Or start paying a better wage for the job, so more people will want to do those "Jobs that American's don't want"...most of which are not pleasant work, but for the right money...

 

[StageLeft]

This is why my kids have Canadian citzenship, too, so that if the proles down here destroy the nation that their ancestors intelligently built, there's an out. Not that Canada is any better, though, but at least my odds are doubled.

How many of you that are against enforcing our immigration laws actually live someplace with a big illegal immigrant population?

I wonder that, too. Where I live now I see what I consider to be almost no illegals. It shapes the perspective. Illegals in Alabama, however, were coming over like a virus infecting the social services and quality of education in various areas and it was hard to live there and not have a less "let's just all be nice" attitude to illegal immigration from what is generally poorly educated individuals. This country's immigration is a joke, there are 1-2 M dumbass illegals who can't even speak English coming in every year and yet if somebody from India who's a better english writer than the average American (I've worked with a few who fit that bill) and who has a degree wants to come in, he has to jump through hoops including a ridiculous H1B quota or whatever else. Immigration here actively repels high-education, high-output people and pays little attention to illeterates who's greatest asset is some calloused hands pouring over.

But most here don't really care that much. I know I care more about the US than many of its citizens, how silly.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The illegals themselves may not have a direct path to citizenship yet, but their kids certainly do. That will be the lynchpin that ensures they will all, one day, be legal and voting with no legal difference between you, me, and them.

And THAT needs to be stopped. The "anchor baby" provision needs to be done away with. Children born to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS should be considered citizens of whatever country the parents are from, NOT U.S. citizens, NOR should the U.S. taxpayers have to pay the costs of the birth, any resulting medical costs, nor welfare for that child/family.

I think they sould change that law to stop that and make it retro-active. Anybody born here of illegal parents should NOT automatically be an American citizen.

Alright, but do you grasp how large of a civil uprising it would take to accomplish that task? It will never happen.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Alright, but do you grasp how large of a civil uprising it would take to accomplish that task?

You're probably right, but it NEEDS to be done.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

It's just a bitch that the rich can't outsource all our jobs, but they'll just have to get over it (and themselves).

Or start paying a better wage for the job, so more people will want to do those "Jobs that American's don't want"...most of which are not pleasant work, but for the right money...

Hard to do when they keep pouring in and driving the wage cost lower and lower.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

It's just a bitch that the rich can't outsource all our jobs, but they'll just have to get over it (and themselves).

Or start paying a better wage for the job, so more people will want to do those "Jobs that American's don't want"...most of which are not pleasant work, but for the right money...

Hard to do when they keep pouring in and driving the wage cost lower and lower.

TA-DA!! NOW you've got it!

STOP THE INVASION!

 

[StepUp]

Illegal Immigration is like reverse-outsourcing.... instead of taking the jobs to the employees, the employees are coming to take the jobs.... or something like that.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The illegals themselves may not have a direct path to citizenship yet, but their kids certainly do. That will be the lynchpin that ensures they will all, one day, be legal and voting with no legal difference between you, me, and them.

And THAT needs to be stopped. The "anchor baby" provision needs to be done away with. Children born to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS should be considered citizens of whatever country the parents are from, NOT U.S. citizens, NOR should the U.S. taxpayers have to pay the costs of the birth, any resulting medical costs, nor welfare for that child/family.

So people who have lived and were raised here, in this culture and country, their entire lives should be considered foreigners?

I know that many children born of illegal immigrants fail to assimilate and become "American," but we shouldn't forget that many of them do assimilate, and are by all means American, and that sending them to some foreign country they may have never even been to or speak the local language hardly seems just.