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Lithium381

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Originally posted by: piasabird
My opinion is that we should move troops to the border and secure it and close the border for a few years to stabilize the problem. We will never ever come up with any kind of immigration solution as long as we can not even control our own border.

Mexico is just basically invading our country.

I would go further than this. I would seize all mexican bank accounts and stop the flow of all money to Mexico. I consider what Mexico does to the USA to be a form of terrorism.

I like your staements, and agree. We are being invaded silently, and are donig nothing about it. About twice a month we get parades around here "demanding" rights for illegal immigrants from mexico with signs for "La raza" and sh*t like that......in 18 years when all the illegal(technically legal) children of all the immigrants can vote....sorry california....you're out of luck.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: Mill
exdeath, may I suggest a college course in reading comprehension?

I will consider it (though I'm already 3/4 through a triple major with a 4.0) if you or anyone else can point out where I missed the word 'illegal' or 'enters illegally' or 'remains illegally', or the description of any notion of illegally trespassing on Mexican soil in your following post, in which you claimed to have falsified this item, among others (we can start with just one simple one):

8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be sent straight to jail.

Not really. The same exaggerations and lies I was talking about earlier. Here are the real facts:

Mexico's General Law of Population sets out the rights and obligations of foreigners, as well as the different statuses associated with foreign immigration.

In general, foreign nationals are welcome to visit Mexico for a defined period of time to take part in non-remunerative activities (e.g. a holiday), and requirements for remunerative visits or longer stays (beyond 180 days) require special permits from the Mexican Consulate.

There are two kinds of permit: Non-Immigrant and Immigrant:

Non Immigrant Permits are for people who intend to visit Mexico for a specific purpose and then depart.
Immigrant Permits are for people who wish to live in Mexico, short or long term.
You do not have to surrender your natural Citizenship to be granted full resident status in Mexico. Full resident status entitles you to all rights and benefits of a Mexican National (live, work, claim state benefits and to pay taxes) but you cannot vote in Mexican elections. These permits may also prohibit work in specific industries. These are limited, and relate to bar and waiter/waitress work.

Immigrant Permits are issued to foreign nationals who have the intention of gaining permanent residency in Mexico. Under immigrant schemes, you are permitted to reside in the country, provided that you fulfil certain criteria (as specified by the type of permit) for a period of up to one year.

The permit must be renewed annually for a further four years in order for you to be able to apply for full residency status. If you wish to remain in Mexico as a "resident alien" after five years, you must apply for full residency status (there is a specific procedure to follow), and have this accepted. Once your application has been accepted and your "FM2" has been issued (see below) you are entitled to full rights and responsibilities as any other Mexican Citizen, with the exception of the right to vote.

(So, basically, exactly how it is in the US for a Naturalized Resident).

Also, I'm not sure where the 40,000 times daily wage came into play. It is 400 times the daily wage in a month. The daily wage is less than 50 dollars, so it works out to about 2000 dollars per month. I don't think 24,000 a year is a stupid or horrible requirement.

More:

Acquiring Mexican Citizenship is an involved process, and it is not easy to do. As a minimum, you must have been living in Mexico for 5 years (2 years under special circumstances) and have resident status. Marriage to a Mexican national may allow Citizenship without the residency requirement. For matters concerning the acquisition of Mexican Citizenship, seek professional advice and contact your local Mexican Consulate

Again, just like the US. Getting Citizenship here is a not an easy process at all.

Not trying to nit pick, but you insist that that post discredited every one of this list of items, which you said were all lies and exaggeration, when I only see that you touched on two, maybe three of them:

Immigrant laws of Mexico:
1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, and all government business will be conducted in our language.
2. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote, no matter how long they are here.
3. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.
4. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, nor any other government assistance programs.
5. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
6. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
7. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no ?bad-mouthing? our president or his policies. If you do you will be sent home.
8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be sent straight to jail.

You did suggest #5 was off the mark, but the principle rule remained correct. And with #4 that indeed foreign immigrants can claim benefits but only after they attain full resident status which takes 5 years according to your post. Which implies that #4 is correct that the immigrant would have to support himself for 5 years before having a chance at attaining the full resident status required to be eligible for state aid, in which case the immigrant is nearly a legally recognized Mexican citizen, not an illegal immigrant.

And #2 and #3 remain true as you repeatedly highlighted that even as a naturalized citizen in Mexico, you still cannot vote or hold political sway.

I don't even see anything about #1, #6, #7, or #8 or why they are lies and exaggerations.

Basically you only provided a few minor corrections without invalidating that list, but then claim that the list is invalid based on your post.

I'd like to know where that confusion is because I still don't see it. The only lie or exaggeration you pointed out is that #5's 40,000 is really 400. Thats it.

We are both against illegal immigration, I honestly don't even know what we are arguing about anymore other than semantics and differing experiences and nit picking each others threads for technicalities like I just did when the general issue remains the same regardless.
 

utfrodo54

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Originally posted by: exdeath
I'm not sure why I lost you here, both sections you replied to cover the same principle, the second one just gives a concrete example in practice. The first part says I am free to keep what is mine if I want, and you say we are on the same page. The second part says I am free to not be required to bail someone out when they make a mistake, which implies that I am allowed to keep what is mine. But you disagree with that?

If you don't agree with the second part, then, that means if I am saving up for a new car and picking myself up out of poor circumstances, but an immigrant comes here, and also wants a new car, but can't afford to have that car and buy food at the same time right off the bat...

You are saying I am obligated to hold off on my life and my plans to pursue my life liberty and happiness, and that I should have to give him some of the money I was saving for my car so that he can get those things right away after I've been working and saving up for the same things all my life? While people choosing to do such things are admirable, the whole point is that there is no coercion.

If my taxes go up to support immigrants, it's the same thing, because thats less money that I get to save for my own things so someone else can get them more easily.

If you have issue with my apparent contradiction that "everybody has the right to do as they please if they don't try to control someone else" while at the same time insisting in a controlling way, "but you have to be American even if you don't want to".

Well thats because being American implies that you understand and respect the fact that you shouldn't seek to control the affairs of others.

And yes I know we as a country do it all the time at the international level, meddling with other countries and cultures, but I don't always agree with that either. Sometimes it's for legitimate reasons, often it is for bogus political reasons.

cuz tired of filtering out the stereotypes. the rest of everything in the quote are assumptions.
 

sierrita

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Originally posted by: exdeath


Grrr I can't count the times one of them pull a left turn in front of me while my light is green, see me coming, look me in the eye with that same blank stare you described, and they just keep going without making any effort to speed up like 'oh sh1t oops' or show that they made a mistake because I am just supposed to stop for THEM. And as I'm locking up my brakes and skidding they just look me with the same blank reptilian stare like I'm the idiot while they continue their careful leisurely 15 mph stroll through the busy intersection, WITH A TRAILER on the back of their truck, while the person behind me is now in danger of hitting me, etc. And it's MY fault? Good god I am so sick of it. And it is ALWAYS a Mexican doing things like that. I make it a point to look every single time, and it never fails. If it does happen to be a red neck for a change, I still utter the same 'damn mexican' phrase that is all too familiar on Tucson's roads, because it is a reflection of mentality and behavior. But I get called a racist and a bigot if I say anything about it. Fvck that once and for all.




Right, it's "Always a Mexican", unless "it does happen to be a red neck for a change."

I'm sure you are "Always right", unless "you do happen to be talking out your a$$."

:laugh:


 

Sinsear

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Originally posted by: Lithium381
Originally posted by: piasabird
My opinion is that we should move troops to the border and secure it and close the border for a few years to stabilize the problem. We will never ever come up with any kind of immigration solution as long as we can not even control our own border.

Mexico is just basically invading our country.

I would go further than this. I would seize all mexican bank accounts and stop the flow of all money to Mexico. I consider what Mexico does to the USA to be a form of terrorism.

I like your staements, and agree. We are being invaded silently, and are donig nothing about it. About twice a month we get parades around here "demanding" rights for illegal immigrants from mexico with signs for "La raza" and sh*t like that......in 18 years when all the illegal(technically legal) children of all the immigrants can vote....sorry california....you're out of luck.


I hope it falls off in the ocean. This is an epidemic.
 

ColdFusion718

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Originally posted by: Mill
There is already a path to citizenship;
Enter the country legally.
Live/work under a "green card" for 5 years.
Apply for citizenship.

ANY path to citizenship should include them returning to their native country and APPLYING for legal entry.

IMO, the ILLEGALS should be rounded up and sent back to whatever their country of origin is, be it Mexico, Guatemala, Ireland, Canada, China, or wherever...

WILL IT HAPPEN? Not a chance.

The Repigs want to keep their business owner supporters happy with cheap labor.
The Dems are being controlled by the ultra-liberal pansies who think that allowing these people to stay is a good thing.

Well, there's a demand for illegals because of lazy union workers like yourself... so... kind of your problem, mate.

You're making it sound like every poor person from a poor country is justified when they sneak into our country for a better life.

Sure, I agree that people should be treated as human beings and not harmed or hated for illegally entering another country.

However, I do not agree that they are entitled to the same governmental benefits as the rest of us.

As it stands, there will always be 3rd world countries. Not everyone can win. People are going to suffer. It's just life, man. It will never be fair for everyone.

Where do you get the audacity to accuse people of being xenophobic and racist?
 

ColdFusion718

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: utfrodo54
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: utfrodo54
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: utfrodo54
Originally posted by: exdeath
Sex, weed, bud light, welfare, big screens, and Escalades with 26's. Love that Mexican culture...
I..just...I just...wow.

Oh sorry, thats the 'illegal Mexicans in the USA' culture, it's not real Mexican culture, which I will go to Mexico to experience.

The Mexicans in Mexico not 2 blocks south of the border are 180 deg completely different from the ones that are infesting the USA.

wow, anger.

Do you not understand a word I said? Try laying off the paxil maybe? Or put your delicate sensitivities aside for a moment and see all sides of the issue.

I'll say it more clearly: not all immigrants from Mexico are cherries and roses.

Sorry, didn't think you would get so mad by me pointing out that you have a lot of anger. Continue, don't mind me.

Damn right I'm angry that my country is being taken over by a predominantly socialist culture that promote the interests of Mexico in favor of the interest of the United States, unlike any other culture that has immigrated here before.

Damn right I'm angry that my taxes go up to support a pregnant teen immigrant from Mexico driving a more expensive car than I am.

Damn right I'm sick of my insurance premiums going up because of low enrollment because the Hispanic workers can hack their paperwork to get free ACCCHS state health care simply for being Hispanic because they don't want to spend $60 a month out of their $10 /hr paychecks.

Damn right I'm sick of property values plummeting because 4 generations of an illegal immigrant family live in a single family residence and turning this once decent city into a Mexican barrio.

Damn right I'm getting sick of avoiding auto collisions and being run off the road by drunk illegal immigrants.

Damn right I'm getting tired of having to press 2 for English in my own country. Why does 'multiculture' always mean Spanish? Where are the options for Chinese, Thai, Russian, Sweedish, Japanese, etc? I speak Japanese, where is my option to pay my bills in Japanese, why is it only Spanish or English?

There is a lot to be angry about. But you probably life in New York or Illinois and think you know the Mexican immigration issue better than everyone else right?

A lot of people are angry, for good reasons, hence this is even an issue in the first place. My guess is most people won't come out and say what they need to say because of political correctness and fear of being unfairly and incorrectly branded a racist simply because the geographic source of the problem happens to be 'other than white'.

Why don't you go down to Mexico with me and protest for American constitutional rights, and see what happens, hmm?

It's funny you should mention that. I just didn't notice all these years. Yeah, why do we have to press 2 for English when it's our own freakin' country? What's that? You can't read the forms? Well get one of your kids to read it for you, they do go to school to learn English, right? Oh wait that's right, they dropped out out school before they learned how to read.

For the record, I'm Chinese and I came here from Vietnam (legally) in 1988. There was none of this 2nd language assistance crap you see today. We had to learn English like everyone else. With effort and time, one is able to master it.

I'm sick and tired of seeing our country tip-toe around this political correctiveness BS. Call me a racist if you'd like, but seriously, if you want a fair chance at a piece of the American Pie, follow the rules like all the other ethnic groups.

 

Socio

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Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: utfrodo54
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: utfrodo54
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: utfrodo54
Originally posted by: exdeath
Sex, weed, bud light, welfare, big screens, and Escalades with 26's. Love that Mexican culture...
I..just...I just...wow.

Oh sorry, thats the 'illegal Mexicans in the USA' culture, it's not real Mexican culture, which I will go to Mexico to experience.

The Mexicans in Mexico not 2 blocks south of the border are 180 deg completely different from the ones that are infesting the USA.

wow, anger.

Do you not understand a word I said? Try laying off the paxil maybe? Or put your delicate sensitivities aside for a moment and see all sides of the issue.

I'll say it more clearly: not all immigrants from Mexico are cherries and roses.

Sorry, didn't think you would get so mad by me pointing out that you have a lot of anger. Continue, don't mind me.

Damn right I'm angry that my country is being taken over by a predominantly socialist culture that promote the interests of Mexico in favor of the interest of the United States, unlike any other culture that has immigrated here before.

Damn right I'm angry that my taxes go up to support a pregnant teen immigrant from Mexico driving a more expensive car than I am.

Damn right I'm sick of my insurance premiums going up because of low enrollment because the Hispanic workers can hack their paperwork to get free ACCCHS state health care simply for being Hispanic because they don't want to spend $60 a month out of their $10 /hr paychecks.

Damn right I'm sick of property values plummeting because 4 generations of an illegal immigrant family live in a single family residence and turning this once decent city into a Mexican barrio.

Damn right I'm getting sick of avoiding auto collisions and being run off the road by drunk illegal immigrants.

Damn right I'm getting tired of having to press 2 for English in my own country. Why does 'multiculture' always mean Spanish? Where are the options for Chinese, Thai, Russian, Sweedish, Japanese, etc? I speak Japanese, where is my option to pay my bills in Japanese, why is it only Spanish or English?

There is a lot to be angry about. But you probably life in New York or Illinois and think you know the Mexican immigration issue better than everyone else right?

A lot of people are angry, for good reasons, hence this is even an issue in the first place. My guess is most people won't come out and say what they need to say because of political correctness and fear of being unfairly and incorrectly branded a racist simply because the geographic source of the problem happens to be 'other than white'.

Why don't you go down to Mexico with me and protest for American constitutional rights, and see what happens, hmm?

It's funny you should mention that. I just didn't notice all these years. Yeah, why do we have to press 2 for English when it's our own freakin' country? What's that? You can't read the forms? Well get one of your kids to read it for you, they do go to school to learn English, right? Oh wait that's right, they dropped out out school before they learned how to read.

For the record, I'm Chinese and I came here from Vietnam (legally) in 1988. There was none of this 2nd language assistance crap you see today. We had to learn English like everyone else. With effort and time, one is able to master it.

I'm sick and tired of seeing our country tip-toe around this political correctiveness BS. Call me a racist if you'd like, but seriously, if you want a fair chance at a piece of the American Pie, follow the rules like all the other ethnic groups.

Speaking of pressing for english I have always liked this pic about it;

John Wayne

EDIT: fixed link
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: ColdFusion718

It's funny you should mention that. I just didn't notice all these years. Yeah, why do we have to press 2 for English when it's our own freakin' country? What's that? You can't read the forms? Well get one of your kids to read it for you, they do go to school to learn English, right? Oh wait that's right, they dropped out out school before they learned how to read.

For the record, I'm Chinese and I came here from Vietnam (legally) in 1988. There was none of this 2nd language assistance crap you see today. We had to learn English like everyone else. With effort and time, one is able to master it.

How dare someone have the audacity to know a language other then English, and possibly speak it better! Its not like someone could come over and not be perfectly fluent in English in mere hours. Of all the crap the whine about, you whine about being #2 on an IVR, that is an epic level of whining.

I do find it funny how you call the US "our" country and you aren't from here. Thats rich.
 

ColdFusion718

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Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: ColdFusion718

It's funny you should mention that. I just didn't notice all these years. Yeah, why do we have to press 2 for English when it's our own freakin' country? What's that? You can't read the forms? Well get one of your kids to read it for you, they do go to school to learn English, right? Oh wait that's right, they dropped out out school before they learned how to read.

For the record, I'm Chinese and I came here from Vietnam (legally) in 1988. There was none of this 2nd language assistance crap you see today. We had to learn English like everyone else. With effort and time, one is able to master it.

How dare someone have the audacity to know a language other then English, and possibly speak it better! Its not like someone could come over and not be perfectly fluent in English in mere hours. Of all the crap the whine about, you whine about being #2 on an IVR, that is an epic level of whining.

I do find it funny how you call the US "our" country and you aren't from here. Thats rich.

Neither are you and your ancestors. I came here legally, learned its language, assimilated, and pledged my loyalty to this country. Who the fvck are you to tell me I cannot call America my country? I can't use "our country" or "my country" because I am foreign-born and not white?

I'm educated, have a job, vote, and pay my taxes. I'm also a US citizen. What now, b!tch?
 

BoomerD

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If CF is a citizen, this IS his country, regardless of his origin, and entitled to all the benefits thereof, as is ANY naturalized citizen. I believe that MOST of us who are considered to be "anti-immigrant" are rallying against the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, be they from Mexico, Guatemala, Ireland, China, or even Canada...THOSE are the ones who are flaunting OUR laws, yet still demand the same rights and benefits as a LEGAL immigrant or citizen.
FVCK THEM! If they want to EARN those rights, go home and try coming here legally. Is it EASY? NO, and IMO, it shouldn't be...This is America, and you have to WANT to be here badly enough to jump through the hoops, and wait your turn. Take too long? Too ****** bad. We can only accomodate so many each year, and MOST of those should go to people likely to enhance our country, not be a drag on it.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: ColdFusion718

It's funny you should mention that. I just didn't notice all these years. Yeah, why do we have to press 2 for English when it's our own freakin' country? What's that? You can't read the forms? Well get one of your kids to read it for you, they do go to school to learn English, right? Oh wait that's right, they dropped out out school before they learned how to read.

For the record, I'm Chinese and I came here from Vietnam (legally) in 1988. There was none of this 2nd language assistance crap you see today. We had to learn English like everyone else. With effort and time, one is able to master it.

How dare someone have the audacity to know a language other then English, and possibly speak it better! Its not like someone could come over and not be perfectly fluent in English in mere hours. Of all the crap the whine about, you whine about being #2 on an IVR, that is an epic level of whining.

I do find it funny how you call the US "our" country and you aren't from here. Thats rich.

Neither are you and your ancestors. I came here legally, learned its language, assimilated, and pledged my loyalty to this country. Who the fvck are you to tell me I cannot call America my country? I can't use "our country" or "my country" because I am foreign-born and not white?

I'm educated, have a job, vote, and pay my taxes. I'm also a US citizen. What now, b!tch?

Wow, citizenkain just got pwned!
 

dmcowen674

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Took me a little bit to upload this because I was dealing with a triple murder suicide a few houses down from me.

Anyway Oklahoma has put the brakes on the illegal mexican floodgates:

5-9-2007 Oklahoma Governor signs sweeping immigration reform - toughest of any state bill

Gov. Brad Henry signed a sweeping immigration reform bill Tuesday, describing it as a stopgap measure to deal with an illegal immigration problem that is actually the responsibility of the federal government.

The legislation, described as the nation's most meaningful attempt to deny jobs and public benefits to illegal immigrants, passed the House and Senate by overwhelming margins and was one of the key issues in last fall's round of state legislative and congressional elections.

Ray Madrid, state director of the League of United Latin American Citizens, said the legislation may burden Latinos with new discriminatory barriers in housing and jobs.

"It's going to take us back," Madrid said. "I'm sure there's going to be neighbors turning neighbors in."

LULAC and other agencies that serve Latino communities are considering challenging the new law's constitutionality because immigration policy is the responsibility of the federal government, not the state, Madrid said.

The legislation builds on measures passed by other states but focuses on deterring unauthorized employment. Among other things, it contains employment, labor law and civil rights provisions to protect citizens and legal immigrants who lose their jobs at companies that employ illegal immigrants to perform the same or similar work.

The measure targets employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens in order to gain a competitive advantage. Key elements of the bill focus on determining worker eligibility, including technology called the Basic Pilot program, which screens Social Security numbers to make sure they are real and that they match up with the job applicant's name.

The measure would not affect emergency medical and humanitarian services, such as visits to hospital emergency rooms and enrollment in public schools, that are required by federal law.


 

dmcowen674

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5-13-2007 Anti-illegal-immigrant law OK'd in Texas

FARMERS BRANCH, Texas - Voters in this Dallas suburb became the first in the nation Saturday to prohibit landlords from renting to most illegal immigrants.

The balloting marked the first public vote on a local government measure to crack down on illegal immigration.

"It says especially to Congress that we're tired of the out-of-control illegal immigration problem. That if Congress doesn't do something about it, cities will," said Tim O'Hare, a City Council member who was the ordinance's lead proponent.

The ordinance requires apartment managers to verify that renters are U.S. citizens or legal immigrants before leasing to them, with some exceptions.

The city was already facing four lawsuits brought by civil rights groups, residents, property owners and businesses who contend the ordinance discriminates and that it places landlords in the precarious position of acting as federal immigration officers.
 

Jaskalas

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The illegals themselves may not have a direct path to citizenship yet, but their kids certainly do. That will be the lynchpin that ensures they will all, one day, be legal and voting with no legal difference between you, me, and them.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The illegals themselves may not have a direct path to citizenship yet, but their kids certainly do. That will be the lynchpin that ensures they will all, one day, be legal and voting with no legal difference between you, me, and them.

And THAT needs to be stopped. The "anchor baby" provision needs to be done away with. Children born to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS should be considered citizens of whatever country the parents are from, NOT U.S. citizens, NOR should the U.S. taxpayers have to pay the costs of the birth, any resulting medical costs, nor welfare for that child/family.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
Why do we have to press 2 for English when it's our own freakin' country?

I'm sick and tired of seeing our country tip-toe around this political correctiveness BS.

Call me a racist if you'd like, but seriously, if you want a fair chance at a piece of the American Pie, follow the rules like all the other ethnic groups.

Only way to stop the "political correctiveness" is take the career politicians out of the loop.

Elect a real American not American Hating Rich Boys or Girls.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The illegals themselves may not have a direct path to citizenship yet, but their kids certainly do. That will be the lynchpin that ensures they will all, one day, be legal and voting with no legal difference between you, me, and them.

And THAT needs to be stopped. The "anchor baby" provision needs to be done away with. Children born to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS should be considered citizens of whatever country the parents are from, NOT U.S. citizens, NOR should the U.S. taxpayers have to pay the costs of the birth, any resulting medical costs, nor welfare for that child/family.

I think they sould change that law to stop that and make it retro-active. Anybody born here of illegal parents should NOT automatically be an American citizen.
 

LLCOOLJ

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Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: ColdFusion718

It's funny you should mention that. I just didn't notice all these years. Yeah, why do we have to press 2 for English when it's our own freakin' country? What's that? You can't read the forms? Well get one of your kids to read it for you, they do go to school to learn English, right? Oh wait that's right, they dropped out out school before they learned how to read.

For the record, I'm Chinese and I came here from Vietnam (legally) in 1988. There was none of this 2nd language assistance crap you see today. We had to learn English like everyone else. With effort and time, one is able to master it.

How dare someone have the audacity to know a language other then English, and possibly speak it better! Its not like someone could come over and not be perfectly fluent in English in mere hours. Of all the crap the whine about, you whine about being #2 on an IVR, that is an epic level of whining.

I do find it funny how you call the US "our" country and you aren't from here. Thats rich.

Neither are you and your ancestors. I came here legally, learned its language, assimilated, and pledged my loyalty to this country. Who the fvck are you to tell me I cannot call America my country? I can't use "our country" or "my country" because I am foreign-born and not white?

I'm educated, have a job, vote, and pay my taxes. I'm also a US citizen. What now, b!tch?
Good for you. Now don't forget to use extra starch n my shirts.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: MagicConch
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Elect a real American not American Hating Rich Boys or Girls.

Rich people in my city live in houses built by illegal immigrants.

We have a turkey plant in my town that was built by illegals and is chock full of illegals who work there. So??
 

MagicConch

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: MagicConch
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Elect a real American not American Hating Rich Boys or Girls.

Rich people in my city live in houses built by illegal immigrants.

We have a turkey plant in my town that was built by illegals and is chock full of illegals who work there. So??

I am just saying no matter what they say on the outside, the rich will never allow illegal immigration to dissapear and attempt to replace those jobs with American workers. It's not a case of rich-hating people who allow immigration and attempt toforce this on the upper and upper middle classes in revenge of not having wealth of their own. Sometimes those fighting illegal immigration don't grasp this.
 

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Originally posted by: MagicConch
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: MagicConch
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Elect a real American not American Hating Rich Boys or Girls.

Rich people in my city live in houses built by illegal immigrants.

We have a turkey plant in my town that was built by illegals and is chock full of illegals who work there. So??

I am just saying no matter what they say on the outside, the rich will never allow illegal immigration to dissapear and attempt to replace those jobs with American workers. It's not a case of rich-hating people who allow immigration and attempt toforce this on the upper and upper middle classes in revenge of not having wealth of their own. Sometimes those fighting illegal immigration don't grasp this.

We never had illegal immigration as bad as this before but we've always had rich people, so I disagree.

We can stop this, we just have to get tough with ALL PARTIES INVOLVED.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: MagicConch
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: MagicConch
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Elect a real American not American Hating Rich Boys or Girls.

Rich people in my city live in houses built by illegal immigrants.
We have a turkey plant in my town that was built by illegals and is chock full of illegals who work there. So??

I am just saying no matter what they say on the outside, the rich will never allow illegal immigration to dissapear and attempt to replace those jobs with American workers. It's not a case of rich-hating people who allow immigration and attempt toforce this on the upper and upper middle classes in revenge of not having wealth of their own. Sometimes those fighting illegal immigration don't grasp this.

We never had illegal immigration as bad as this before but we've always had rich people, so I disagree.

We can stop this, we just have to get tough with ALL PARTIES INVOLVED.

Yes, but Rich Republicans took it to a whole new level.
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Rich Democrats are starting to fix the problem to pander votes.

Sucky way to run a Country which is why it won't last.
 

MagicConch

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
We never had illegal immigration as bad as this before but we've always had rich people, so I disagree.

We can stop this, we just have to get tough with ALL PARTIES INVOLVED.


I agree with you on the second point that getting tough on all parties will be necessary to stop this. It seems like a tough job to fight both sides at once , I do not envy those who attempt to take on this problem. re: rich, I think the reason it's moreso now is NAFTA so there are less regulation on vehicles bringing goods into the country (and that makes it easier to smuggle this work in), unions with stiff demands, and police willing to look the other way nowadays.

I think there is the mistaken perception these guys come across the border in small cars or on foot, and that if we build a big wall it will help control it. The planned wall is purely to appease blue collar so there seems to be an attempt to control this.

Many of these people come together in well planned attempt involving vehicles and trucks carrying goods. When they get here they have secured an apt (where do they get the money for this) and stay here for several weeks, before returning and switching places with others. They find specific locations, which are known clearly by the police b/c they are in broad daylight, where they sit in the morning and people come up and say 'I need three today' and three load up and are dropped off by the contractors at the end of the day (the same blue collar managers that claim to be anti-illegal immigration) at which point they do not return to mexico but to their local apt. during the weekend or when goods are scheduled to go to mexico, they return in those trucks, etc.

Occasionally the police will bring up a border control van to take a bunch of them back for appearance sake. if you notice this is almost always later in the day around 9 or 10 after the contractors have picked up the work for the day and since the workers return to the apt not to mexico it has little effect on them (except for the ones who are round up) those return home and prepare in a few weeks for the next group. I know this for a fact because they do this close to my home and contractors have told me this firsthand.

And there is also the mistaken perception that all these guys are unskilled. Often these guys despite being illegal are skilled in the construction work they do since they are always hired to do the same work and are passed around when the contractors no longer need them for that job. I can think of one guy who specialized in handrails and another in granite in marble for ex.