Illegal immigration a disaster for the United States.

[1EZduzit]

Run along little troll and play the"pad my post count" bigot game with someone else. I'm against illegals. I don't care if there pink, yellow, green, brown or white. We have deserving individuals standing in line to :LEGALLY come here.

Post something that proves why anybody who can walk should be able to come here before the people trying to do it through the proper channels. If we need more people then let's get the best possible, the cream of the crop.

We have high quality, educated people standing in line to come here, yet idiots like you want to throw around the bigot word instead of objectively looking at our options.

I'll be waiting for an intelligent answer, but I won't be holding my breath. Buh-bye troll.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Run along little troll and play the"pad my post count" bigot game with someone else. I'm against illegals. I don't care if there pink, yellow, green, brown or white. We have deserving individuals standing in line to :LEGALLY come here.

Post something that proves why anybody who can walk should be able to come here before the people trying to do it through the proper channels. If we need more people then let's get the best possible, the cream of the crop.

We have high quality, educated people standing in line to come here, yet idiots like you want to throw around the bigot word instead of objectively looking at our options.

I'll be waiting for an intelligent answer, but I won't be holding my breath. Buh-bye troll.

Why not just open up the process some? Like all things, when you introduce artificial scarcity, you open up a huge black market. I don't think everyone who can walk should get in, but very few people who are against illegal immigration are proposing making LEGAL immigration any easier. Now maybe there is a good reason for that, but I've yet to hear one, and it reinforces the impression that it's not about legality as much as it is about immigration.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Run along little troll and play the"pad my post count" bigot game with someone else. I'm against illegals. I don't care if there pink, yellow, green, brown or white. We have deserving individuals standing in line to :LEGALLY come here.

Post something that proves why anybody who can walk should be able to come here before the people trying to do it through the proper channels. If we need more people then let's get the best possible, the cream of the crop.

We have high quality, educated people standing in line to come here, yet idiots like you want to throw around the bigot word instead of objectively looking at our options.

I'll be waiting for an intelligent answer, but I won't be holding my breath. Buh-bye troll.

Why not just open up the process some? Like all things, when you introduce artificial scarcity, you open up a huge black market. I don't think everyone who can walk should get in, but very few people who are against illegal immigration are proposing making LEGAL immigration any easier. Now maybe there is a good reason for that, but I've yet to hear one, and it reinforces the impression that it's not about legality as much as it is about immigration.

Exactly.

For instance:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/01/navarrette/index.html

Indeed, if you will notice one of the stats quoted in this thread -- it was a stat dealing with getting rid of LEGAL immigrants and not illegals. The term "illegal" is just a nomenclature that allows the law to be a red herring. The real idea is xenophobia and not wanting any immigrants. If it were about that, then wait times would be reduced, and we wouldn't give Andorra a higher quota proportionally than Mexico or India.

 

[squirrel dog]

Why not annex Mexico,or have it has our next state,with their approval of course.Its a really nice country,beset with a lot of problems that maybe we could fix.They seem to really like us.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Run along little troll and play the"pad my post count" bigot game with someone else. I'm against illegals. I don't care if there pink, yellow, green, brown or white. We have deserving individuals standing in line to :LEGALLY come here.

Post something that proves why anybody who can walk should be able to come here before the people trying to do it through the proper channels. If we need more people then let's get the best possible, the cream of the crop.

We have high quality, educated people standing in line to come here, yet idiots like you want to throw around the bigot word instead of objectively looking at our options.

I'll be waiting for an intelligent answer, but I won't be holding my breath. Buh-bye troll.

Why not just open up the process some? Like all things, when you introduce artificial scarcity, you open up a huge black market. I don't think everyone who can walk should get in, but very few people who are against illegal immigration are proposing making LEGAL immigration any easier. Now maybe there is a good reason for that, but I've yet to hear one, and it reinforces the impression that it's not about legality as much as it is about immigration.

I think your wrong about your impression that people who are against illegals are against opening up legal immigration? I don't read that from them? I just think they want something down about the illegal immigration first. I'm all for opening up legal immigration.

As you know, I'm a farmer/land owner, why would I care if there are more people in this country to feed? I don't. I just think it's way smarter to bring in as many educated people, engineers, doctors, successful business men, etc. as we can get our hands on. People that can increase the GNP with their heads, not their backs. People that can increase the number of jobs, not pull the wages down.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: squirrel dog
Why not annex Mexico,or have it has our next state,with their approval of course.Its a really nice country,beset with a lot of problems that maybe we could fix.They seem to really like us.

dont have to. Mexico is on the fast track of annexing the US.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

The simple solution is.

1. Set up very stiff penalties for any company or individuals knowningly or carelessly employing or providing services to illegals.
2. Stop ALL Federal aid to any city, county, or state, that does not assist in the removal of illegal immigrants.
3. Deny citizenship to children born here to illegal immigrants.


You make it monetarily painful and the illegals will not have jobs here meaning they will not have reason to come.

Unfortunately that would only work on the illegal immigrant population that actually comes here seeking jobs. There is a large segment of the illegal immigrant population that does not come for jobs they come to commit crime and taking away jobs is a useless deterrent for them.;

Link

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or "transport coyotes".

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: BoomerD
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070501/ap_on_re_us/immigration_protests_19

Protesters press for path to citizenship

"LOS ANGELES - Demonstrators demanding a path to citizenship for an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants rallied around the nation Tuesday, hoping to spur Congress to act before the looming presidential primaries take over the political landscape.



What the fvck gives the illegals the right to DEMAND anything?

There is already a path to citizenship;
Enter the country legally.
Live/work under a "green card" for 5 years.
Apply for citizenship.

ANY path to citizenship should include them returning to their native country and APPLYING for legal entry.

IMO, the ILLEGALS should be rounded up and sent back to whatever their country of origin is, be it Mexico, Guatemala, Ireland, Canada, China, or wherever...

WILL IT HAPPEN? Not a chance.

The Repigs want to keep their business owner supporters happy with cheap labor.
The Dems are being controlled by the ultra-liberal pansies who think that allowing these people to stay is a good thing.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I immigrated here (legally of course), and now am a naturalized U.S. citizen. My family had to apply and go through the process; we waited about 5-6 years.

These bastards don't deserve $hit. Demand my ass, go through the proper procedures or STFU and live in silence at least.

I agree!

This is absurd; the feeling of entitlement coming from these ?criminals? is unbelievable.

They enter illegally in droves leaving literally millions of pounds of garbage and human excrement strewn across our desert in their wake. In doing so show a total disrespect of this country, our borders and our laws! They ravage free government services with out paying a single penny in taxes clogging the system for American citizens who need it.

Then have the audacity to DEMAND amnesty as if they've earned the right to become citizens because they've been able to sneak across our borders and hide out for a few years.

 

[jpeyton]

Unfortunately, with no personnel to backup our border policies, nothing is going to happen but maintaining the status quo.

Illegals are going to enter our country in droves.

I suggest you get used to it. By 2050, Caucasians will be the minority nationwide.

Maybe Canada isn't such a bad place after all.

 

[THUGSROOK]

the illegals dont deserve a thing, except for a free ride back to the boarder.

get used to it?
be a man (for a change) and defend your country.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
the illegals dont deserve a thing, except for a free ride back to the boarder.

get used to it?
be a man (for a change) and defend your country.

More generalizations, no specifics. Typical for a debate on immigration reform.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
the illegals dont deserve a thing, except for a free ride back to the boarder.

get used to it?
be a man (for a change) and defend your country.

You know the millions will not go peacefully, hell all their children are natural born citizens with full rights like you and me, there?s a HUGE conflict of interest since those kids don?t belong to their home country to which we?d deport them. If force is used, it will come down to the ultimate use of force (war). Are you prepared to witness that in this country?

 

[THUGSROOK]

yes the moral issue is of great concern, i dont have an answer for that.

however if this continues there will be worse problems then worrying about a few million mexicans.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
the illegals dont deserve a thing, except for a free ride back to the boarder.

get used to it?
be a man (for a change) and defend your country.

You know the millions will not go peacefully, hell all their children are natural born citizens with full rights like you and me, there?s a HUGE conflict of interest since those kids don?t belong to their home country to which we?d deport them. If force is used, it will come down to the ultimate use of force (war). Are you prepared to witness that in this country?

What do you mean they don't belong in Mexico? They have Mexican parents and dual citizenship, they belong ther just as much as they belong here.

 

[babylon5]

The problem is our Illegal market lack competition. We live in global world economy. We are a diverse country welcome all colors. We don't want to send a message to Asians, Africans, Europeans that we don't want them to come here and get citizenship just because they are not brown skin. Asians, Africans, Europeans are just as hard workers, we shouldn't discriminate against them because of their skin color.

Our current illegal approach favors one race of people, some might call it racist policy like that. We need to open up, help illegals from Asia, Africa, Europe to come and work. Why should we pay current illegal $5 an hour when Asians would pick veggie for $2? Or have Africans stationed at Home Depot to build houses for $1.50 dollar? Europeans can wash cars for $1 an hour. We cant' just let one race in, and discriminate against other races. More illegals mean lower wages, competition, more culture, and as many have pointed out, Illegals are all benefit. The more the merrier.

More Illegals from Asian, Africa, and Europe for a diverse America. Citizenship for all who come from all over the world. Any other way would be discrimination. Everyone should have a chance to work $2 an hour.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: babylon5
The problem is our Illegal market lack competition. We live in global world economy. We are a diverse country welcome all colors. We don't want to send a message to Asians, Africans, Europeans that we don't want them to come here and get citizenship just because they are not brown skin. Asians, Africans, Europeans are just as hard workers, we shouldn't discriminate against them because of their skin color.

Our current illegal approach favors one race of people, some might call it racist policy like that. We need to open up, help illegals from Asia, Africa, Europe to come and work. Why should we pay current illegal $5 an hour when Asians would pick veggie for $2? Or have Africans stationed at Home Depot to build houses for $1.50 dollar? Europeans can wash cars for $1 an hour. We cant' just let one race in, and discriminate against other races. More illegals mean lower wages, competition, more culture, and as many have pointed out, Illegals are all benefit. The more the merrier.

More Illegals from Asian, Africa, and Europe for a diverse America. Citizenship for all who come from all over the world. Any other way would be discrimination. Everyone should have a chance to work $2 an hour.

Umm, I think you are missing a very key point. Mexico borders the United States whereas countries in Europe and Asia do not. That's the reason more "brown" people are here -- it isn't any type of favoritisim.

 

[babylon5]

You're right. But I think we can benefit more from diversity if more variety of illegals can also come. We can make it easier for illegals from Asia, Africa or Middle East come here easier. I just don't want USA send wrong impression to make the rest of the world hate us even more. If they come and work, they'll see how great it is. And positive message spreads if they come.

 

[THUGSROOK]

we dont want illegals here. America is not Monster.com for them to get a job.

we already allow foreign workers to work here, that has nothing to do with illegal immigration.

America is no longer a haven, go home, fix your own country.

 

[imported_Lothar]

From the presentation, it seems this guy is an anti-immigrant (whether legal or otherwise).
I didn't hear him differentiate between both legal and illegal immigration, but then again maybe I missed it.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Shockingly, there is a demand from the rich, and especially the pseudo-rich for people willing to do their bitch work for a few bucks a day. Let's start allowing foreign doctors to work for $10k a year, too. Then all the actual productivity of the nation can accrue to its reightful owners - the investors who don't actually produce anything.

Illegal immigration is 'allowed' in high numbers for one reason - it forces wages down, and labour's share of production down right along with it.

 

[Enig101]

I find American xenophobia and nationalism to be disturbing at times. Still, there is a strong case for securing a nation's borders. Too bad the US would rather invade Iraq, etc etc.

 

[Auryg]

How many of you that are against enforcing our immigration laws actually live someplace with a big illegal immigrant population?

I do. I live in Minnesota. You heard me right. There are signs on the Mexico border that actually tell immigrants to the town next to mine. The town's crime rate has soared the past 15 years or so.

They actually did a sting and caught 50 illegal immigrants the other week. It was a random sting, not sure on the specifics, but I know it took place in the Wal-mart parking lot 🙂D). Anyways, there was quite a good number of warrants out for their arrest for other things, IIRC it included rape, welfare fraud, assault, and some other stuff.

From 50 *random* illegal immigrants.

Oh, and the school there? Filed for bankruptcy.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Auryg
How many of you that are against enforcing our immigration laws actually live someplace with a big illegal immigrant population?

I do. I live in Minnesota. You heard me right. There are signs on the Mexico border that actually tell immigrants to the town next to mine. The town's crime rate has soared the past 15 years or so.

They actually did a sting and caught 50 illegal immigrants the other week. It was a random sting, not sure on the specifics, but I know it took place in the Wal-mart parking lot 🙂D). Anyways, there was quite a good number of warrants out for their arrest for other things, IIRC it included rape, welfare fraud, assault, and some other stuff.

From 50 *random* illegal immigrants.

Oh, and the school there? Filed for bankruptcy.

My wife is from Minnesota, around the Sleepy Eye/New Ulm area. They've had a n illegal problem for 10 years now. They started coming to work in the Del Monte factory.

The Mexicans will pull into your place and ask for directions and if no one is home they start going through the sheds looking for things to steal. Now we've had a turkey processing plant open in my town (in South Dakota) and we have the same things going on here. I've even had them pull into my farm looking asking for directions for the 4th largest town in SD?? It's on every map? My farm is so far out in the boonies you couldn't find it if you had a search warrant, you'll never convince me they were looking for a citie out there.

 

[HombrePequeno]

OH NOES! WE'RE BEING INVADED BY DARKIES!!!!111oneoneeleven

Some of you act like a little change in culture and ethnic proportion is the end of the world.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
OH NOES! WE'RE BEING INVADED BY DARKIES!!!!111oneoneeleven

Some of you act like a little change in culture and ethnic proportion is the end of the world.

Culture? Sorry, I don't call gangs "culture" and that is what we have in this town now. It's not like SD and MN are border states.

The only culture involved would be with me having to learn a second language. I can about imagine how welcome I'd be if it were me trying to take job and buy property in their country, even if I did speak their language.