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Originally posted by: Socio
You think you are helping poor people have a better life allowing them to come here in droves illegally but you are really doing is destroying our children?s future! I happen to see this video and when I saw the numbers I was shocked, this is insane what we are letting happen.

The numbers



..the era of "The Unsettled Continent" is long over and it's time the US developed an immigration policy that reflects that reality. It's not 1880 anymore and hasen't been for a long time. Do the math.

 

Socio

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Did anyone see any of the interviews at the ilegal immigration rights protests yesterday on the news?
I found it utterly amazing so many believe they actually have the right to come to the United Sates. I could not help but question just where these people get the information that gives them the idea they have these rights, then I saw this;

They interviewed one Hispanic lady; When asked if she thought she was right entering the US illegally she said it does not matter if you are from Mexico, South America, Africa, Middle East China or any where else you have to right to come the US. Then when asked if she thought it was ok for Americans to cross in to Mexico illegally and take jobs in Mexico, she said no Mexico has strict laws against it and it would be wrong for Americans to steal jobs from Mexicans because the Mexicans need them.

This leads me to believe the biggest problem with illegal immigration it these people have been brainwashed into thinking the US is free for the taking and we have made little effort to sway them in to thinking any different.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: Socio

Unfortunately that would only work on the illegal immigrant population that actually comes here seeking jobs. There is a large segment of the illegal immigrant population that does not come for jobs they come to commit crime and taking away jobs is a useless deterrent for them.;

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2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or "transport coyotes".

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

Those are some brutal statistics if accurate.

This alone should be enough to convince the "you guys are just racists" crowd.
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
OH NOES! WE'RE BEING INVADED BY DARKIES!!!!111oneoneeleven

Some of you act like a little change in culture and ethnic proportion is the end of the world.

Why do you pro-criminal types think everyone is against immigration? No one has stated that.

If you "friends" weren't such cowards , they would force change to their home country. They come to the US and wave their flags and culture in our faces like they are a friggin diplomat but they don't give a rat's arse about the country they'er from.

I didn't it was everyone's right in the world to come and live in the US whenever they feel the need. If Mexico is such a poor country, why do they have the second richest person in the world?

The US allows immigrants, but you have to follow rules and procedures to get into the US. Sorry if the quotas are low or the process is slow. It's called life and you don't get what you want 100% of the time.

I live near areas where over the last 15 years it has turned from rednecks into crime ridden pits where people don't speak English.
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
OH NOES! WE'RE BEING INVADED BY DARKIES!!!!111oneoneeleven

Some of you act like a little change in culture and ethnic proportion is the end of the world.

Culture? Sorry, I don't call gangs "culture" and that is what we have in this town now. It's not like SD and MN are border states.

The only culture involved would be with me having to learn a second language. I can about imagine how welcome I'd be if it were me trying to take job and buy property in their country, even if I did speak their language.

Better yet it's your right not to speak their language and the host country has to learn your language.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: Farang
Immigrants are good. Let them all come in. I've already explained my position on this topic previously, I'll just say research some academic sources and stop using these selective "facts" you pull out of your asses. You'll realize this issue isn't as scary as it seems and the government might just be on top of it before Bush is out of office (although he is shifting to more of a hard-line stance that I do not agree with).

I've noticed the opposition to immigrants comes from a few camps:
1) Bigots - don't want Spanish-speaking, dark-skinned people to represent any kind of majority anywhere.
2) Isolationists - same kind of folks who want to stop free trade because it 'hurts American workers.'
3) Gullibles - believe every statistic thrown at them when closer inspection shows them to be extremely twisted.

No one said immigrants are bad. Please stop getting confused between the immigrants that enter this country with valid visas and the ILLEGAL immigrants that sneak in across the border.

LEGAL immigrants come from every country on the globe. White, black, brown, etc...sure there are a few racists that don't want "dark-skinned" (as you put it) immigrants coming to this country... but really they are a minority and a minor nuisance.

ILLEGAL immigration is bad for this country.

 

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as long at the Republicans and their corporate bosses (and the Dems aint much better) keep welcoming them in with open arms...they will keep coming.

profits above all else...especially if some of that comes back your way during campaign time.
 

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
I didn't it was everyone's right in the world to come and live in the US whenever they feel the need. If Mexico is such a poor country, why do they have the second richest person in the world?

While Mexico isn't exactly/arguably/completely a developing country, one of the many problems that face countries in this position is the huge gap within the distribution of incomes. aka the rich are very rich, with good ties, the poor are extremely poor, lack of middle class. The cause of this though would open up another huge can of worms tho as it is not as simple as I just put it.

 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: utfrodo54
Originally posted by: brandonbull
I didn't it was everyone's right in the world to come and live in the US whenever they feel the need. If Mexico is such a poor country, why do they have the second richest person in the world?

While Mexico isn't exactly/arguably/completely a developing country, one of the many problems that face countries in this position is the huge gap within the distribution of incomes. aka the rich are very rich, with good ties, the poor are extremely poor, lack of middle class. The cause of this though would open up another huge can of worms tho as it is not as simple as I just put it.

The US should put tons of political pressure on Mexico to reform. Mexico gets free investment capital in the form of remittance and lots of criminals and such leave the country. They get a sweet deal from the US.

 

fskimospy

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Ahhhh Snopes.com to the rescue!

You guys know a lot of those statistics are made up/inaccurate right?

Problem #1: It can't be an INS/FBI report from 2006, as the INS hasn't existed since 2003.

Problem #2: 95% of warrants for murder in LA are for illegals. This is laughably false. The statistic should read OUTSTANDING warrants... and even then it's wrong. Amazingly enough the warrants for murder that haven't been successfully served yet are for people who are no longer in the country. Real shocker there. The number of outstanding warrants compared to the number of murders in LA is extremely small.

Problem #3: 66%+ of births in California are to illegal Mexicans? This is also laughably false. 66% of births in California are of "Hispanic" ethnicity, but that is nowhere CLOSE to the same thing. Notice in this posting how Hispanic = illegal.

Problem #4: 75% of the people on LA's most wanted list are illegal aliens. LA's most wanted list only lists ethnicity... not immigration status. (because they don't know it)Considering about 50% of LA's population is hispanic, and they comprise a significant majority of the poor, is it surprising that hispanics are over represented in the most wanted list? In addition the most wanted list is chock full of "unknown" suspects. Notice again how Hispanic = illegal.

Problem #5: 50% of gang members in LA are illegal aliens. According to snopes this comes from a California DOJ report on a SINGLE gang in LA out of dozens, and it was the gang by far the most likely to have illegal aliens in it. Another exaggerated and false statistic.

Ugh, I'm tired of this. There are even more problems with those statistics, but I just don't have the time. Some of them approach a minimal level of accuracy, but mostly that thing is just a joke.

I do find it interesting however that numerous statistics in that posting equate criminal illegal immigrants with hispanics in general. What were we saying about racism again? hahahaha.
 

1EZduzit

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The only statisitic that matters it's illegal.

Not that they care, they're more then willing to undercut everything the workers of this country have fought for and won over generations. They obviously don't care that it's not fair to those standing in line to come here legally. They are only concerned with themselves and to hell with EVERYBODY else. I guess I have a hard time feeling any empathy for them.

And the icing on the cake is there is a labor shortage in Mexico which is creating their own illegal alien problem.


 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
I do find it interesting however that numerous statistics in that posting equate criminal illegal immigrants with hispanics in general. What were we saying about racism again? hahahaha.

Most of the illegals in this country aren't from Sweden smart guy.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I do find it interesting however that numerous statistics in that posting equate criminal illegal immigrants with hispanics in general. What were we saying about racism again? hahahaha.

Most of the illegals in this country aren't from Sweden smart guy.

Strange that someone would so nakedly show their lack of reading comprehension, and then follow up with saying "smart guy".

The point was that the authors of those "statistics" took numbers for hispanics, and turned them into statistics for illegal immigrants. This means that they are encouraging (either consciously or unconsciously) a view of hispanic people in general as crime causing illegal immigrants... which is false. To attribute negative stereotypes to an ethnic group without cause is racist.

Simple enough for you, smart guy?
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I do find it interesting however that numerous statistics in that posting equate criminal illegal immigrants with hispanics in general. What were we saying about racism again? hahahaha.

Most of the illegals in this country aren't from Sweden smart guy.

Strange that someone would so nakedly show their lack of reading comprehension, and then follow up with saying "smart guy".

The point was that the authors of those "statistics" took numbers for hispanics, and turned them into statistics for illegal immigrants. This means that they are encouraging (either consciously or unconsciously) a view of hispanic people in general as crime causing illegal immigrants... which is false. To attribute negative stereotypes to an ethnic group without cause is racist.

Simple enough for you, smart guy?

Read your sentence again.

Yes they can equate criminal illegal immigrants with hispanics in general because in general, most criminal illegal immigrants are hispanics. I would like to know what the percentage of first generation hispanic immigrants in this country came here illegally. Are they the minority or the majority? Pretty easy to answer that. Is there another ethnic group with this problem? No.

People have a tendency to form stereotypes when they repeatedly encounter the same things, I would guess that's why the majority of legal hispanics immigrants wants strict immigration enforcement.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
as long at the Republicans and their corporate bosses (and the Dems aint much better) keep welcoming them in with open arms...they will keep coming.

profits above all else...especially if some of that comes back your way during campaign time.

the Dems are just as bad. what have they done since they got power? NOTHING.

the repigs want the profit
the dunces want the votes

 

Mill

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I do find it interesting however that numerous statistics in that posting equate criminal illegal immigrants with hispanics in general. What were we saying about racism again? hahahaha.

Most of the illegals in this country aren't from Sweden smart guy.

Strange that someone would so nakedly show their lack of reading comprehension, and then follow up with saying "smart guy".

The point was that the authors of those "statistics" took numbers for hispanics, and turned them into statistics for illegal immigrants. This means that they are encouraging (either consciously or unconsciously) a view of hispanic people in general as crime causing illegal immigrants... which is false. To attribute negative stereotypes to an ethnic group without cause is racist.

Simple enough for you, smart guy?

Read your sentence again.

Yes they can equate criminal illegal immigrants with hispanics in general because in general, most criminal illegal immigrants are hispanics. I would like to know what the percentage of first generation hispanic immigrants in this country came here illegally. Are they the minority or the majority? Pretty easy to answer that. Is there another ethnic group with this problem? No.

People have a tendency to form stereotypes when they repeatedly encounter the same things, I would guess that's why the majority of legal hispanics immigrants wants strict immigration enforcement.

The vast majority of Hispanics in this country are here legally. In fact, many Hispanics in this country were here probably long before your family arrived. Furthermore, your analogy is silly and flawed. You can equate humans with Hispanics in general because most illegal immigrants are humans. Thus, down with humans!!!

I don't understand how you can act as if it is a Hispanic only problem. At least 10% of Asians are here illegally (according to Census Data and Pew Research). The rates of Hispanics here illegally is higher -- 28-30%, but that's a given. Asians can't walk across water to get here. It is pretty darn easy to cross a border by land. If Southeast Asia bordered the United States by land, then I see no reason that the numbers wouldn't be similar. I think it is probably 3 times as hard to make it from Asia to the US illegally than it is if you are Hispanic (and much closer geographically, and easier physically).

It is entirely a meaningless argument. The reason there are not more poor Asians or Europeans here is because they are farther away, and it is much more difficult for a poor person to enter by Air or Sea than it is by an unprotected land border -- especially when we are talking great distances compared to much much much smaller distances. It is a red herring and a piss poor argument.

Illegal Immigration is not about Mexicans or Hispanics. It is about poor people. Rich people don't have a problem immigrating.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Read your sentence again.

Yes they can equate criminal illegal immigrants with hispanics in general because in general, most criminal illegal immigrants are hispanics. I would like to know what the percentage of first generation hispanic immigrants in this country came here illegally. Are they the minority or the majority? Pretty easy to answer that. Is there another ethnic group with this problem? No.

People have a tendency to form stereotypes when they repeatedly encounter the same things, I would guess that's why the majority of legal hispanics immigrants wants strict immigration enforcement.

No, No, No.

Is this a joke post?

You can equate all hispanics with illegal immigrants because most illegal immigrants are hispanic? Can we equate all black people with criminals since most criminals are black? (well, 41% of people in jail, but you get me.. still the largest single group). That is racist... really really racist.
 

xochi

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Here is a report done by the State of Texas on undocumented immigrants and their positive impact on the State. i've posted it in a few other threads. The report does say that undocumented immmigrants can be a strain on local schools and hospitals but overall a benifit to the State.

The way i see it, America needs the labor in order to prosper and soon corporate america will be demanding it. I'm surprised that nobody mentions a few obvious things, e.g. Baby Boomers. Baby Boomers are and will continue to be retiring in droves this will create an even greater labor shortage. Eventually a fast track immigration bill will be introduced and hopefully it will come from Texas.

Comptroller


"The Comptroller?s office estimates the absence of the estimated 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas in fiscal 2005 would have been a loss to our Gross State Product of $17.7 billion. Also, the Comptroller?s office estimates that state revenues collected from undocumented immigrants exceed what the state spent on services, with the difference being $424.7 million (Exhibit 18)."
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I do find it interesting however that numerous statistics in that posting equate criminal illegal immigrants with hispanics in general. What were we saying about racism again? hahahaha.

Most of the illegals in this country aren't from Sweden smart guy.

Strange that someone would so nakedly show their lack of reading comprehension, and then follow up with saying "smart guy".

The point was that the authors of those "statistics" took numbers for hispanics, and turned them into statistics for illegal immigrants. This means that they are encouraging (either consciously or unconsciously) a view of hispanic people in general as crime causing illegal immigrants... which is false. To attribute negative stereotypes to an ethnic group without cause is racist.

Simple enough for you, smart guy?

Read your sentence again.

Yes they can equate criminal illegal immigrants with hispanics in general because in general, most criminal illegal immigrants are hispanics. I would like to know what the percentage of first generation hispanic immigrants in this country came here illegally. Are they the minority or the majority? Pretty easy to answer that. Is there another ethnic group with this problem? No.

People have a tendency to form stereotypes when they repeatedly encounter the same things, I would guess that's why the majority of legal hispanics immigrants wants strict immigration enforcement.

The vast majority of Hispanics in this country are here legally. In fact, many Hispanics in this country were here probably long before your family arrived. Furthermore, your analogy is silly and flawed. You can equate humans with Hispanics in general because most illegal immigrants are humans. Thus, down with humans!!!

I don't understand how you can act as if it is a Hispanic only problem. At least 10% of Asians are here illegally (according to Census Data and Pew Research). The rates of Hispanics here illegally is higher -- 28-30%, but that's a given. Asians can't walk across water to get here. It is pretty darn easy to cross a border by land. If Southeast Asia bordered the United States by land, then I see no reason that the numbers wouldn't be similar. I think it is probably 3 times as hard to make it from Asia to the US illegally than it is if you are Hispanic (and much closer geographically, and easier physically).

It is entirely a meaningless argument. The reason there are not more poor Asians or Europeans here is because they are farther away, and it is much more difficult for a poor person to enter by Air or Sea than it is by an unprotected land border -- especially when we are talking great distances compared to much much much smaller distances. It is a red herring and a piss poor argument.

Illegal Immigration is not about Mexicans or Hispanics. It is about poor people. Rich people don't have a problem immigrating.

No, the vast majority of FIRST GENERATION hispanics are not here legally. Most of the hispanics who have come here in the last 20 years are here ILLEGALLY.

Unauthorized migrants accounted for 30% of the foreign-born population in 2005.
Another 28% were legal permanent residents, and 31% were U.S. citizens by
naturalization.
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Most of those naturalized 31% were not hispanics.

As for Asians, whether here legally or illegally don't cause the burden on society that poor uneducated hispanics do. They learn english and contribute to society. Also, Asians don't have this problem:

Among youth ages 16 to 24, Hispanics accounted for 40 percent of all high school dropouts in 2004. However, they only made up 17 percent of the total youth population.

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The 2000 status dropout rate for Hispanics born outside the United States (44 percent) is higher than the rate for first-generation Hispanic youth (15 percent)

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fskimospy

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I'm still waiting for you to explain how you can equate the hispanic population with the illegal immigrant population. Please equate the black population with the prison population while you're at it.
 

Socio

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
Originally posted by: utfrodo54
Originally posted by: brandonbull
I didn't it was everyone's right in the world to come and live in the US whenever they feel the need. If Mexico is such a poor country, why do they have the second richest person in the world?

While Mexico isn't exactly/arguably/completely a developing country, one of the many problems that face countries in this position is the huge gap within the distribution of incomes. aka the rich are very rich, with good ties, the poor are extremely poor, lack of middle class. The cause of this though would open up another huge can of worms tho as it is not as simple as I just put it.

The US should put tons of political pressure on Mexico to reform. Mexico gets free investment capital in the form of remittance and lots of criminals and such leave the country. They get a sweet deal from the US.

Mexico is the like 5th richest country in the world from a resources stand point but they are flat out to corrupt to do anything but make the rich richer and the poor poorer. The only thing that will make Mexico change is a great wall cutting them off from the US thus forcing them to stand on their own two feet.
 

Socio

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Ahhhh Snopes.com to the rescue!

You guys know a lot of those statistics are made up/inaccurate right?

Problem #1: It can't be an INS/FBI report from 2006, as the INS hasn't existed since 2003.

Problem #2: 95% of warrants for murder in LA are for illegals. This is laughably false. The statistic should read OUTSTANDING warrants... and even then it's wrong. Amazingly enough the warrants for murder that haven't been successfully served yet are for people who are no longer in the country. Real shocker there. The number of outstanding warrants compared to the number of murders in LA is extremely small.

Problem #3: 66%+ of births in California are to illegal Mexicans? This is also laughably false. 66% of births in California are of "Hispanic" ethnicity, but that is nowhere CLOSE to the same thing. Notice in this posting how Hispanic = illegal.

Problem #4: 75% of the people on LA's most wanted list are illegal aliens. LA's most wanted list only lists ethnicity... not immigration status. (because they don't know it)Considering about 50% of LA's population is hispanic, and they comprise a significant majority of the poor, is it surprising that hispanics are over represented in the most wanted list? In addition the most wanted list is chock full of "unknown" suspects. Notice again how Hispanic = illegal.

Problem #5: 50% of gang members in LA are illegal aliens. According to snopes this comes from a California DOJ report on a SINGLE gang in LA out of dozens, and it was the gang by far the most likely to have illegal aliens in it. Another exaggerated and false statistic.

Ugh, I'm tired of this. There are even more problems with those statistics, but I just don't have the time. Some of them approach a minimal level of accuracy, but mostly that thing is just a joke.

I do find it interesting however that numerous statistics in that posting equate criminal illegal immigrants with hispanics in general. What were we saying about racism again? hahahaha.

Seems more legitimate than you think here is a source that colaborates some of it;

Link


According to the Los Angeles Times, 40 percent of the workers in Los Angeles County are working for cash and not paying any direct taxes.

That translates to nearly 5 million people. (The newspaper also reports 300,000 of the "illegal" population live in garages).

To put this into perspective, 70 percent of the annual growth rate in this country (90 percent in California, Florida, and New York) comes from outside the country The Times also says 95 percent of the warrants issued for suspected murders are for illegal aliens. Seventy five percent of the people on the most wanted list from the Los Angeles Police Department are here illegally. More than two-thirds of the births in the county are to illegal aliens on Medi-Cal, which are paid for by all of us.

Sixty percent of the occupants of federally funded housing are also "illegals." Among those picking crops in L.A. Country only two percent are illegals. (The overwhelming number of those working in our fields are either citizens or have work visas. In other words they are here legally.)

The Times quotes Rice University professor, Donald Huddle's conclusions that immigration is costing taxpayers $70 billion, after subtracting taxes paid by immigrants minus services used.

He concludes, "the lifetime fiscal impact for the average adult illegal immigrant is a negative number." He also reports 29 percent of inmates in federal prisons are "illegals."

So it stands to reason the rest is probably pretty accurate as well.

Just as disturbing:

According to the Times, the overwhelming majority of "illegals" from south of the border are not picking our crops (the data shows only two percent are working in the fields). However, 29 percent of the illegal population from Mexico is on welfare.
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I do find it interesting however that numerous statistics in that posting equate criminal illegal immigrants with hispanics in general. What were we saying about racism again? hahahaha.

Most of the illegals in this country aren't from Sweden smart guy.

Strange that someone would so nakedly show their lack of reading comprehension, and then follow up with saying "smart guy".

The point was that the authors of those "statistics" took numbers for hispanics, and turned them into statistics for illegal immigrants. This means that they are encouraging (either consciously or unconsciously) a view of hispanic people in general as crime causing illegal immigrants... which is false. To attribute negative stereotypes to an ethnic group without cause is racist.

Simple enough for you, smart guy?

Read your sentence again.

Yes they can equate criminal illegal immigrants with hispanics in general because in general, most criminal illegal immigrants are hispanics. I would like to know what the percentage of first generation hispanic immigrants in this country came here illegally. Are they the minority or the majority? Pretty easy to answer that. Is there another ethnic group with this problem? No.

People have a tendency to form stereotypes when they repeatedly encounter the same things, I would guess that's why the majority of legal hispanics immigrants wants strict immigration enforcement.

The vast majority of Hispanics in this country are here legally. In fact, many Hispanics in this country were here probably long before your family arrived. Furthermore, your analogy is silly and flawed. You can equate humans with Hispanics in general because most illegal immigrants are humans. Thus, down with humans!!!

I don't understand how you can act as if it is a Hispanic only problem. At least 10% of Asians are here illegally (according to Census Data and Pew Research). The rates of Hispanics here illegally is higher -- 28-30%, but that's a given. Asians can't walk across water to get here. It is pretty darn easy to cross a border by land. If Southeast Asia bordered the United States by land, then I see no reason that the numbers wouldn't be similar. I think it is probably 3 times as hard to make it from Asia to the US illegally than it is if you are Hispanic (and much closer geographically, and easier physically).

It is entirely a meaningless argument. The reason there are not more poor Asians or Europeans here is because they are farther away, and it is much more difficult for a poor person to enter by Air or Sea than it is by an unprotected land border -- especially when we are talking great distances compared to much much much smaller distances. It is a red herring and a piss poor argument.

Illegal Immigration is not about Mexicans or Hispanics. It is about poor people. Rich people don't have a problem immigrating.

No, the vast majority of FIRST GENERATION hispanics are not here legally. Most of the hispanics who have come here in the last 20 years are here ILLEGALLY.

Unauthorized migrants accounted for 30% of the foreign-born population in 2005.
Another 28% were legal permanent residents, and 31% were U.S. citizens by
naturalization.
Text

Most of those naturalized 31% were not hispanics.

As for Asians, whether here legally or illegally don't cause the burden on society that poor uneducated hispanics do. They learn english and contribute to society. Also, Asians don't have this problem:

Among youth ages 16 to 24, Hispanics accounted for 40 percent of all high school dropouts in 2004. However, they only made up 17 percent of the total youth population.

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The 2000 status dropout rate for Hispanics born outside the United States (44 percent) is higher than the rate for first-generation Hispanic youth (15 percent)

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Entirely 100% wrong. The vast majority of First Generation Hispanics were here before your family even was. Ever heard of the Mexican-American War and the concessions Santa Ana made to the US? He ceded larges parts of terrority filled with -- you guessed it -- Hispanics.
 

fskimospy

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Hey Socio, no.

Just because an opinion piece in the times recites facts that have been proven false doesn't make them any less false. Like I said, some of the "facts" in that thing are fairly accurate. Most are not even close. The murder one is egregiously false.

Before you post any more on this, please check www.snopes.com, it has an urban legend entry for an email circulating that uses many of the same 'facts' as your posting. You will see there that some are accurate, but many have methodological and factual errors that lead them to be hugely false.