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[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
You won't like hearing this, but if you work at Walmart and make $30,000 a year, you shouldn't be having kids.

Many good parents successfully raise children properly on much less.

Successfully as in pay for college? As in a reliable car at age 16? As in a safe upper middle class neighborhood surrounded by clean, educated, and well-mannered people? (working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean, IMO)

Please note, just because the kid succeeds in life, that does not mean the parent succeeded as a parent. It was the kid who succeed and cleaned up their parent's mistake.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
You won't like hearing this, but if you work at Walmart and make $30,000 a year, you shouldn't be having kids.

Many good parents successfully raise children properly on much less.

Successfully as in pay for college? As in a reliable car at age 16? As in a safe upper middle class neighborhood surrounded by clean, educated, and well-mannered people? (working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean, IMO)

Please note, just because the kid succeeds in life, that does not mean the parent succeeded as a parent. It was the kid who succeed and cleaned up their parent's mistake.

You don't have to be rich to be successful. Cars and mansions are not necessities nor is an expensive college. Education is more in the way the kids are bought up rather than what degree they have.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
You won't like hearing this, but if you work at Walmart and make $30,000 a year, you shouldn't be having kids.

Many good parents successfully raise children properly on much less.

Successfully as in pay for college? As in a reliable car at age 16? As in a safe upper middle class neighborhood surrounded by clean, educated, and well-mannered people? (working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean, IMO)

Please note, just because the kid succeeds in life, that does not mean the parent succeeded as a parent. It was the kid who succeed and cleaned up their parent's mistake.

If the child succeeds, so does the parent.

What makes you think that working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean?

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
You won't like hearing this, but if you work at Walmart and make $30,000 a year, you shouldn't be having kids.

Many good parents successfully raise children properly on much less.

Successfully as in pay for college? As in a reliable car at age 16? As in a safe upper middle class neighborhood surrounded by clean, educated, and well-mannered people? (working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean, IMO)

Please note, just because the kid succeeds in life, that does not mean the parent succeeded as a parent. It was the kid who succeed and cleaned up their parent's mistake.

If the child succeeds, so does the parent.

So an absent parent of a successful child is a successful parent?

I didn't think so. QFT.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
You won't like hearing this, but if you work at Walmart and make $30,000 a year, you shouldn't be having kids.

Many good parents successfully raise children properly on much less.

Successfully as in pay for college? As in a reliable car at age 16? As in a safe upper middle class neighborhood surrounded by clean, educated, and well-mannered people? (working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean, IMO)

Please note, just because the kid succeeds in life, that does not mean the parent succeeded as a parent. It was the kid who succeed and cleaned up their parent's mistake.

If the child succeeds, so does the parent.

So an absent parent of a successful child is a successful parent?

I didn't think so. QFT.

Bad Parenting seldom leads to a successful child.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
You won't like hearing this, but if you work at Walmart and make $30,000 a year, you shouldn't be having kids.

Many good parents successfully raise children properly on much less.

Successfully as in pay for college? As in a reliable car at age 16? As in a safe upper middle class neighborhood surrounded by clean, educated, and well-mannered people? (working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean, IMO)

Please note, just because the kid succeeds in life, that does not mean the parent succeeded as a parent. It was the kid who succeed and cleaned up their parent's mistake.

You don't have to be rich to be successful. Cars and mansions are not necessities nor is an expensive college. Education is more in the way the kids are bought up rather than what degree they have.

Certainly great wealth is not required to be "successful." But a comfortable lifestyle without financial or intellectual/philosophical need is absolutely required to be a successful parent.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
So an absent parent of a successful child is a successful parent?

I didn't think so. QFT.

Of course not. It takes more than a quick ****** to be a parent.

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Certainly great wealth is not required to be "successful." But a comfortable lifestyle without financial or intellectual/philosophical need is absolutely required to be a successful parent.

Such is the commonly flawed philosophy of the rich. :roll:

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Bad Parenting seldom leads to a successful child.

I agree. That doesn't mean that a successful child won't reflect positively on whomever is responsible for parenting them (whether it be biological parents, legal guardians, etc).

<edit> Haha, forgot the "won't" in that last bit :laugh:

 

[DaWhim]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
You won't like hearing this, but if you work at Walmart and make $30,000 a year, you shouldn't be having kids.

Many good parents successfully raise children properly on much less.

Successfully as in pay for college? As in a reliable car at age 16? As in a safe upper middle class neighborhood surrounded by clean, educated, and well-mannered people? (working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean, IMO)

Please note, just because the kid succeeds in life, that does not mean the parent succeeded as a parent. It was the kid who succeed and cleaned up their parent's mistake.

You don't have to be rich to be successful. Cars and mansions are not necessities nor is an expensive college. Education is more in the way the kids are bought up rather than what degree they have.

Certainly great wealth is not required to be "successful." But a comfortable lifestyle without financial or intellectual/philosophical need is absolutely required to be a successful parent.

everything sounds relative, to each of his/herown.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Nik
What makes you think that working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean?

The people are inferior and not clean and project an aura that will demoralize, make bitter, and make ignorant a vulnerable child.

Also, most working class neighborhoods have crime problems. Although the slight majority of people in such neighborhoods are of no harm, you still draw rough motorcycle, rusty pick up truck, and generally creepy people (I'm speaking of working class white neighborhoods, problems will vary in different cultural settings) in the minority.

Please do not inquire about my personal experiences, just take my word for it that I know what I'm talking about.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Nik
What makes you think that working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean?

The people are inferior and not clean and project an aura that will demoralize, make bitter, and make ignorant a vulnerable child.

Also, most working class neighborhoods have crime problems. Although the slight majority of people in such neighborhoods are of no harm, you still draw rough motorcycle, rusty pick up truck, and generally creepy people (I'm speaking of working class white neighborhoods, problems will vary in different cultural settings) in the minority.

Please do not inquire about my personal experiences, just take my word for it that I know what I'm talking about.

I'd actually love to know what "experiences" you're trying to come up with because it's obvious that you're completely full of bullshit.

Well, it's getting late and I'll be off to bed pretty quick. I'll check this thread later for a response. After all, I've a whole front yard to fertilize.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Nik

I'd actually love to know what "experiences" you're trying to come up with because it's obvious that you're completely full of bullshit.

You will not know, but my opinions are justified.

But do not associate the term "working class" with many people on here, most do not fit in that category. I am not talking about a college educated person. I'm referring to "blue collar" neighborhoods, such as the neighborhood the imaginary "Walmart" character would live in.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Nik

I'd actually love to know what "experiences" you're trying to come up with because it's obvious that you're completely full of bullshit.

You will not know, but my opinions are justified.

But do not associate the term "working class" with many people on here, most do not fit in that category. I am not talking about a college educated person. I'm referring to "blue collar" neighborhoods, such as the neighborhood the imaginary "Walmart" character would live in.

Keep talking. I'd love to do the backyard too.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
You won't like hearing this, but if you work at Walmart and make $30,000 a year, you shouldn't be having kids.

Many good parents successfully raise children properly on much less.

Successfully as in pay for college? As in a reliable car at age 16? As in a safe upper middle class neighborhood surrounded by clean, educated, and well-mannered people? (working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean, IMO)

Please note, just because the kid succeeds in life, that does not mean the parent succeeded as a parent. It was the kid who succeed and cleaned up their parent's mistake.

Pay for your own college.

Car at 16? A car is not a requirement. Are you another that believes your parents OWE you a car?

Clean, educated, well-mannered... those three don't automatically go together. I know educated and well-mannered people that are not clean. I also know clean and well-mannered people that are not college educated. I know people that are clean and educated but definitely not well-mannered.

You come across as a snob. Hope that your money never parts from you. If it does, I wonder if you'd last one month in this world.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Pay for your own college.

Car at 16? A car is not a requirement. Are you another that believes your parents OWE you a car?

Clean, educated, well-mannered... those three don't automatically go together. I know educated and well-mannered people that are not clean. I also know clean and well-mannered people that are not college educated. I know people that are clean and educated but definitely not well-mannered.

The only people who would have such an opinion are people whose parents never did anything for them. I had the same situation, but I do not hold grudges with those whose parents did give them something.

Parents owe their children a reliable car, small amounts of spending money, and a college education, only if the child does well in school, is well mannered, and behaves in a mature manner.

Your opinion reminds me of people who believe that beating their children is acceptable. Why do they believe this? Because most of them were beat themselves as children. It's a way for their to vent their anger and "get back."

Originally posted by: DAGTA
You come across as a snob. Hope that your money never parts from you. If it does, I wonder if you'd last one month in this world.

I not only lasted, but defeated this world.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Nik
What makes you think that working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean?

The people are inferior and not clean and project an aura that will demoralize, make bitter, and make ignorant a vulnerable child.

Also, most working class neighborhoods have crime problems. Although the slight majority of people in such neighborhoods are of no harm, you still draw rough motorcycle, rusty pick up truck, and generally creepy people (I'm speaking of working class white neighborhoods, problems will vary in different cultural settings) in the minority.

Please do not inquire about my personal experiences, just take my word for it that I know what I'm talking about.

Inferior and not clean? hahaha

Neither of my parents have a college education. I was raised in a family that lived in gov't subsidized housing for several years during my early life.

We spend a few years in middle class when I was 8 to 12.

Then I was homeless from 16 to 18, going wherever there was a friend to offer a couch or floor to sleep on.

Yet, we were always clean and polite.

I didn't get a car at 16. Being homeless and all, our family income was about 8,000 a year for several years.

I started working for cash in a bar when I was 14. I've lived with drug dealers. I've spent 4th of July's with biker gangs.

The end result? I made it into several private universities and had my choice. I paid for college with scholarships, grants, and working a part time job while carrying the maximum course load. I finished a Bachelors in Computer Science Cum Laude, Masters in Computer Science Cum Laude, Honors Degree, Thesis, Astronomy/Astrophysics minor in under five years. I was assistant teaching college at age 21. I was hired as a full time instructor at age 23. At age 25 I started my own business in Phoenix and have been doing fine on my own since.

According to you, my life is impossible because I was born poor and surrounded by 'inferior people'.

hahaha

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Nik
What makes you think that working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean?

The people are inferior and not clean and project an aura that will demoralize, make bitter, and make ignorant a vulnerable child.

Also, most working class neighborhoods have crime problems. Although the slight majority of people in such neighborhoods are of no harm, you still draw rough motorcycle, rusty pick up truck, and generally creepy people (I'm speaking of working class white neighborhoods, problems will vary in different cultural settings) in the minority.

Please do not inquire about my personal experiences, just take my word for it that I know what I'm talking about.

Inferior and not clean? hahaha

Neither of my parents have a college education. I was raised in a family that lived in gov't subsidized housing for several years during my early life.

We spend a few years in middle class when I was 8 to 12.

Then I was homeless from 16 to 18, going wherever there was a friend to offer a couch or floor to sleep on.

Yet, we were always clean and polite.

I didn't get a car at 16. Being homeless and all, our family income was about 8,000 a year for several years.

I started working for cash in a bar when I was 14. I've lived with drug dealers. I've spent 4th of July's with biker gangs.

The end result? I made it into several private universities and had my choice. I paid for college with scholarships, grants, and working a part time job while carrying the maximum course load. I finished a Bachelors in Computer Science Cum Laude, Masters in Computer Science Cum Laude, Honors Degree, Thesis, Astronomy/Astrophysics minor in under five years. I was assistant teaching college at age 21. I was hired as a full time instructor at age 23. At age 25 I started my own business in Phoenix and have been doing fine on my own since.

According to you, my life is impossible because I was born porn and surrounded by 'inferior people'.

hahaha

That's funny, I don't remember saying "all" poor people are scum. In fact, I remember saying that the majority of them, while ignorant, are still decent people.

I also used the example of the child of an absent parent becoming successful, which invalidates your attempt at putting words in my mouth.

Generalizations, which I have made, are directed at just the majority. If you truly have a respectable level of education, you should have known that, instead of assuming I'm speaking about strickly everyone in that demographic.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Pay for your own college.

Car at 16? A car is not a requirement. Are you another that believes your parents OWE you a car?

Clean, educated, well-mannered... those three don't automatically go together. I know educated and well-mannered people that are not clean. I also know clean and well-mannered people that are not college educated. I know people that are clean and educated but definitely not well-mannered.

The only people who would have such an opinion are people whose parents never did anything for them. I had the same situation, but I do not hold grudges with those whose parents did give them something.

Parents owe their children a reliable car, small amounts of spending money, and a college education, only if the child does well in school, is well mannered, and behaves in a mature manner.

Your opinion reminds me of people who believe that beating their children is acceptable. Why do they believe this? Because most of them were beat themselves as children. It's a way for their to vent their anger and "get back."

Originally posted by: DAGTA
You come across as a snob. Hope that your money never parts from you. If it does, I wonder if you'd last one month in this world.

I not only lasted, but defeated this world.

How old are you?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
You won't like hearing this, but if you work at Walmart and make $30,000 a year, you shouldn't be having kids.

Many good parents successfully raise children properly on much less.

Successfully as in pay for college? As in a reliable car at age 16? As in a safe upper middle class neighborhood surrounded by clean, educated, and well-mannered people? (working class neighborhoods are not safe or clean, IMO)

Please note, just because the kid succeeds in life, that does not mean the parent succeeded as a parent. It was the kid who succeed and cleaned up their parent's mistake.

You don't have to be rich to be successful. Cars and mansions are not necessities nor is an expensive college. Education is more in the way the kids are bought up rather than what degree they have.

Certainly great wealth is not required to be "successful." But a comfortable lifestyle without financial or intellectual/philosophical need is absolutely required to be a successful parent.

30Ks a year is comfortable life without financial support.

 

[spaceman]

time is money.
they dont pay the high rollers that kind of scratch for sitting on thier asses.
im sure the demands on most of the jobs that pay six figures are substantial.

as for myself, the walmart thing no.but yes to the free time and someone i love.

 

[Tylanner]

nothing fvcking matters if you dont have friends

 

[etalns]

Bump!

 

[imported_KuJaX]

Originally posted by: Tylanner
nothing fvcking matters if you dont have friends

You'll grow up one day and realize that 99% of your "growing up" friends will do absolutely nothing for you to become successful in this life as far as financially and family. Family is the only thing that matters. Friends come and go.

 

[n7]

#2 = easy choice.

Money does not bring happiness.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: KuJaX

Originally posted by: Tylanner
nothing fvcking matters if you dont have friends

You'll grow up one day and realize that 99% of your "growing up" friends will do absolutely nothing for you to become successful in this life as far as financially and family. Family is the only thing that matters. Friends come and go.

...who says that he doesn't realize that? A family is just another kind of friend. And don't give me that "biological" or "adopted" blah blah blah... a family is what you make it. If that happens to be a bunch of friends, so be it.

 

[imported_KuJaX]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: KuJaX

Originally posted by: Tylanner
nothing fvcking matters if you dont have friends

You'll grow up one day and realize that 99% of your "growing up" friends will do absolutely nothing for you to become successful in this life as far as financially and family. Family is the only thing that matters. Friends come and go.

...who says that he doesn't realize that? A family is just another kind of friend. And don't give me that "biological" or "adopted" blah blah blah... a family is what you make it. If that happens to be a bunch of friends, so be it.

lol. Friends, as in hangout friends? They are near worthless. You only need one, maybe two actual "friends" to get along well. sure, high school and college it was fun having a lot of friends, but chances are, you will never talk to 90% of them again your life after graduation.

For the people that friends are their family....... i feel really bad for you.