How much did you work for your family's wealth? Were you just the spoiled brat that has lived off of mommy and daddy's success? You're right, it would be silly for you to give up that money because you probably could not make it on your own starting from $0.
How much did you work for your family's wealth? Were you just the spoiled brat that has lived off of mommy and daddy's success? You're right, it would be silly for you to give up that money because you probably could not make it on your own starting from $0.
Ended up making $50k or so between when I was 13 and 15 to help my parents through a very tough stretch when business went bad. Interest rates skyrocketed, some new laws were put in minimizing profits from construction (they were later rescinded) and our income became 1/10th of what it previously was for about four consecutive years. It was that money I made that helped us to keep our house.
Now I'm at one of the top schools in the country pursuing my degree in Economics, and so far I'm in the top 5% or so of my class.
I think I have done quite well so far. Gotta love the assumption that everyone with wealthy parents is a spoiled brat. It's you poor people who don't accomplish anything in life that are the lazy assholes.
Originally posted by: Qosis
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Qosis
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Qosis
Let's just assume they make that much. Otherwise it's pretty much impossible to raise those pesky little money-sucking bastards known as kids.
How would you know?
Sorry, I meant to say raising children without impoverished conditions.
If a crack whore raises a baby, does it mean that crack whores in general are fit to be parents? Nope.
Growing up in a low income home fosters hopelessness, and that is one of the greatest banes to being successful in life.
So you're saying that $29k per year is impoverished? $20k is impoverished? Money isn't required to live life and it isn't required to raise children properly. The only people who think it is are the shallow, selfish rich folk who can't live without it. They're too busy filling their empty life with extravegant things because they, themselves, are empty shells of a human being.
You have no idea what "impoverished" is -or what it's like to live "impoverished" for long periods of time, for that matter. Your parents are rich and they spoil you rotten (which is exactly what you've become: empty and rotten) and you're too busy showing pictures of your house all over the forums to give up your money and live "impoverished" to see what it's like. Don't flatter yourself, everybody here knows that you have money and like to flaunt it. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and either STFU or put your money where your mouth is. Don't give me that bullshit about how your parents almost lost everything, either. The HAD something to lose and didn't lose it.
Well, I wasn't going to be mean... but you brought it upon yourself.
You are a prime example of what impoverished conditions do to people. You were celebrating getting an $8 an hour job. It's easy to see you truly lack intelligence. You actually hold resentment towards people who are wealthy. You group them all as empty people, but you would jump on the opportunity for salvation from your utterly horrid life. You live with your mother at how old? It's pathetic. You will go nowhere in life, and you won't achieve anything substantial in your life. I'd chalk a lot of it up to you being raised poorly, but I think at least some of it has to come from within.
My family is wealthy because they worked for it. You are not wealthy, nor is your family, because you didn't. You get upset at business owners for taking home a much bigger paycheck than you. Well, they deserve that bigger paycheck. People like you can't do what they do, it requires intelligence and motivation.
It would be silly for me to give up my money and see what "impoverished" conditions are like. It's easy to see what effects impoverishment has on children, and their potential, from an outside view.
You don't realize the importance of money. It allows you to do things in life that you enjoy. It allows you to truly experience life. You can take time off, and travel. Or have enough money to raise your children in a way so they can pursue their dreams. You can help your kids live a life where they don't work a pathetic $8/hour job.
I'm sorry Nik. Your attempts to convince me that money isn't needed for a good upbringing have swayed me in the opposite direction.
I just love how at so many threads turn into flamefests. Shouldn't you have something better to do than get into dumb arguments with poor people?
There is a belief in buddism called "right speech" I guess in your extensive education you missed it. Anyway, go study up and apply it to your posting habits.
I should follow my own advice
1) I do not lack intelligence. If I did, why'd you come to me to get your job done?
2) I hold resentment against wealthy people who don't know what it's like to not have money or wealthy people who act like others are beneath them (like you do) because they're not as wealthy. These people judge other people based on their income instead of what really matters.
3) The people I disgussed as "empty" and whatnot were the ones I just described above, not all of them. My great grandparents were filthy rich and down to earth at the same time. :thumbsup:
4) I live with my mother because she's dying and I'm trying to salvage/rebuild the relationship, but way to look down on me for it. Good job. Yet again, something that you can't buy that's more important than money.
5) I've achieved quite a few things in life. Too bad you and other rich idiots, as shallow, selfish people, will never understand because you can't get it through your thick skull that money doesn't buy the things in life that actually matter.
6) You don't have a clue how I was raised. However, since I'm not a greedy empty sumbitch like you, I'd say my mother did better raising me instead of throwing money at you like yours did because she didn't have anything else to offer.
7) I admire people who work for their money, not sit behind a desk signing papers. That's not a living, no matter how much you bring home. "People like me" can do exactly what they do. Many do, but since you can't seem to think without your wallet, you'll never understand that -well, not without a real eye opener anyway.
8) Of course you'll never give up your money. Why would you? You have no desire to see what real life is like. Most of the world lives worse off than I do, but you won't even lower yourself to that level. You think you're too good. You think that you'll suddenly become a failure. You wouldn't know what to do with yourself without all your money because that's exactly what you are: a soulless money machine.
9) Doing things in life that you enjoy can be done without money. It just requires a bit better human being to do so. An $8 job isn't pathetic, but I can see how someone of your spoiled ignorant ass would think so.
10) I wasn't attempting to convince you of anything, I was just pointing out real life. If you don't accept it, that's your choice. Besides, if a few small words on the internet are enough for you to sway your opinion about raising kids at different levels of the economy, all it does is show how little you know about raising kids and "impoverished" lifestyles.
That's pretty much exactly what I described. Nobody's calling all rich kids spoiled brats. So many of them act like it, though. That's who we're talking about.
So you're in college and you have yet to prove yourself in the working world.
I started poor and am on my way to being rich. Soon I'll be in the same wealth category as you but there will still be one big difference bewteen us. If we were both reduced to $0, I know I have the skills to get rich again.
It's amazing how many assumptions you make. Do you genuinely think you can make a convincing argument about your intellectual superiority when you have never even met me? Heck, I have never even spoken to you before this very moment.
Shut it, being employed at minimum wage restricts you from joining a conversation about success.
Getting rich takes a lot more than just intelligence. There are plenty of smart poor people. Take a look at your average college professor. Most of them are middle class or less but above average in intelligence.
Like I said, you're still in college. You may be doing well and working hard in college but that is no guarantee that you'll do well in the corporate world. Besides, you'll be safe because you'll always have the results of your parents' hard work to fall back on, right?
You're making the point that accomplishments and wealth are everything. When he's just as wealthy as you are, he'll still be one-up on you because you've ridden at the top on mommy's and daddy's coat tails instead of accomplishing it yourself. His point made valid by your own argument.
Wrong. I'm more successful than you are, I just don't have as much money. Each time you make some comment about money being everything, you put another nail in the coffin with your ability to comprehend the real meaning of success inside.
That insurance enables me to be even more successful because I can take risks you can not. I never said that doing well in college was a guarantee of any sort. My gripe was with you making a completely baseless allegation.
So, based on that, if two individuals are born into families with vastly different income brackets, the accomplishments of the wealthier one (assuming both accomplish the exact same goal) are somehow inferior?
Money is the most objective marker we have. Tell me another (completely objective) way to measure success?
Jobs don't even figure into the equation for me. They are totally unreal, and as such have no place in my decision making. They are the least important thing in the world, immediately followed by money.
It's not a baseless allegation, really. It's the truth. If you go broke, are you going to work your way back to wealth? Hardly. You're going to run back to mommy and daddy because you couldn't make it on your own. You'll never know what it's like until you actually DO have nothing and work hard for it. Even in this very thread you've shown that you think less of people because they have less money than you do. You think that if someone is successful, they'll have money and that if they don't have money, they must not be successful. While it's true that those who are successful in economics will be wealthy, you're confusing economic success with every other possible kind of success -or maybe dismissing it completely because you don't think anything other than economic success is success.
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I would take ANY job or career, girlfriend who loves me but does NOT want to get married and doesnt want kids.
In other words, what I dont have.
In other words, what I dont have.
Let's make this easier for you. One person starts at point A, and makes it to point C. Another person starts at point B and makes it to point C. The first person's accomplishments are greater than the second person's accomplishments because they had to work harder and do more to get to the same point. Make sense?
One of my best friends family isn't extremely well off. They aren't poor, but his parents sent him to very expensive schools which ate up a lot of their income. He's now a second year student at Georgetown, and was accepted to every university he applied to (excluding Princeton, but he did get into Harvard). I don't think I have ever met someone, of the same age, who is so intelligent and has so much potential in life. But, and this really isn't meant to be a low blow, your job is far from fulfilling in my eyes. You don't do something noble, something that benefits society as a whole. Something that I could understand one would sacrifice financial wealth for, because the inner "wealth" from the job is so much greater.
Income isn't the only way I interpret success. I think it is vital to thoroughly enjoy your job, and have accomplished as much as you are capable of accomplishing. Taking every opportunity which you can benefit from, and working hard on a regular basis.
However, it is difficult for someone to measure those other types of success because they are so subjective. Is your job really so fulfilling that you love doing it? That you wake up every morning eager to get to work? That is another type of success in my eyes, but I highly doubt that you have that success. I am sure you will ultimately say that yes, your job is incredibly satisfying and you can't see yourself doing anything else. Who am I to refute that after highlighting my dislike for baseless insults? But to be completely honest, I won't believe you. You obviously won't capitulate and be genuinely honest if it is going to affect your argument in any way.
I don't buy into that. I think it's unfair to minimize an individuals accomplishments because of factors that are beyond their control. I think the first individuals achievements are exemplary, but I don't think the second individuals achievements are any less remarkable.
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