If you are poor w/3 children, the govt pays you $6k for filing your taxes

[CADsortaGUY]

The only fragile thing I'm seeing is your self-esteem; you have to come onto the Internet and put others down in order to keep it inflated.

lol, ok. The only thing i'm putting down is the victim mentality so many people have. It's time to shed that baggage and chart your own path. I don't blame you or others who are afflicted by the victim mentality - it's been taught to you by the gov't school system and/or your parent's. I'm just saying there are better ways to live life and if you feel that's looking down on people... meh that's YOUR problem.

 

[Veliko]

lol, ok. The only thing i'm putting down is the victim mentality so many people have. It's time to shed that baggage and chart your own path. I don't blame you or others who are afflicted by the victim mentality - it's been taught to you by the gov't school system and/or your parent's. I'm just saying there are better ways to live life and if you feel that's looking down on people... meh that's YOUR problem.

What you're doing is regurgitating the age-old 'youth of today' social commentary and giving yourself a pat on the back for being such a clever person.

 

[werepossum]

lol. I've been fired before so no glass bubble here. The reason I got fired? Someone's kid wanted my job. Aww..... poor me... oh wait I picked myself up after the gut punch and got a job the next monday(fired on a friday).

It amazes me how fragile our society has become. Bunch of f'n pussies that expect to be coddled and sheltered from harsh realities. Go make something of yourself instead of relying on others to hand things to you or provide opportunities. I'm not where I am today because I had things handed to me - I worked hard, learned, and searched out ways to better myself and position.

Good for you.

What you're doing is regurgitating the age-old 'youth of today' social commentary and giving yourself a pat on the back for being such a clever person.

Heaven forbid that someone should be proud of handling adversity instead of becoming a bitter victim. That's so insensitive toward bitter victims.

 

[fskimospy]

Heaven forbid that someone should be proud of handling adversity instead of becoming a bitter victim. That's so insensitive toward bitter victims.

I don't think he was commenting on our good friend CAD's handling of adversity. Instead he was commenting on the fact that CAD appears to be saying that the youth of today no longer share those values. Saying "kids these days are lazy, disrespectful, etc" is the same thing old people have been saying for LITERALLY thousands of years.

 

[werepossum]

I don't think he was commenting on our good friend CAD's handling of adversity. Instead he was commenting on the fact that CAD appears to be saying that the youth of today no longer share those values. Saying "kids these days are lazy, disrespectful, etc" is the same thing old people have been saying for LITERALLY thousands of years.

Problem with that is that CAD's remarks were addressed specifically to Jhhnn and MongGrel, neither of whom are young.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I don't think he was commenting on our good friend CAD's handling of adversity. Instead he was commenting on the fact that CAD appears to be saying that the youth of today no longer share those values. Saying "kids these days are lazy, disrespectful, etc" is the same thing old people have been saying for LITERALLY thousands of years.

Except this isn't about "kids" these days. MY generation (which includes many in this forum) has exactly the same problem. It's not an AGE thing - it's a mentality thing.

 

[werepossum]

Except this isn't about "kids" these days. MY generation (which includes many in this forum) has exactly the same problem. It's not an AGE thing - it's a mentality thing.

Yep. One of the last Presidential elections had a woman whose household income was mid seventies asking "what are you going to do for people like me?" Everywhere one looks, with all ages, people feel entitled to special treatment and/or freebies. It's so bad that virtually every television advert offers a freebie 'cause we all want something free.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just to be clear, the people who hate poor people of those who believe they should get jobs, work hard, pull their own weight, earn some self-respect and thus eventually not be poor anymore, whereas the people who don't hate poor people of those who believe they should remain on welfare in eternal poverty because the work for which they are qualified is unrewarding, eh?

There are X number of jobs, and X+n number of people who need one or need assistance. The difference between those 2 quantities is quite real ATM, regardless of your attempts to denigrate anybody not currently & continuously employed.

Did poor people create the difference in those amounts? Or are there other factors beyond their control?

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2013/03/graphs-for-duration-of-unemployment.html

Yeh, all those people under the red line just decided to go on welfare, I suppose.

Shouldn't it all trickle down? Where are those job creators, anyway?

 

[Jhhnn]

Except this isn't about "kids" these days. MY generation (which includes many in this forum) has exactly the same problem. It's not an AGE thing - it's a mentality thing.

Nice tarbrush!

There will always be the smug, self righteous, & overly judgmental, too, I suppose, always looking for a way to feel superior.

 

[Hugo Drax]

The problem is republicans are antiabortion antibirthcontrol.

 

[Jhhnn]

The problem is republicans are antiabortion antibirthcontrol.

All Republican issues are astroturfed distractions & diversions from the top down class warfare looting spree executed over the last 30 years.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Nice tarbrush!

There will always be the smug, self righteous, & overly judgmental, too, I suppose, always looking for a way to feel superior.

again with the victim mentality. My whole point is that people CAN change their outcomes if they really want to. The first step is to shed the victim mindset.

 

[Victorian Gray]

lol. I've been fired before so no glass bubble here. The reason I got fired? Someone's kid wanted my job. Aww..... poor me... oh wait I picked myself up after the gut punch and got a job the next monday(fired on a friday).

It amazes me how fragile our society has become. Bunch of f'n pussies that expect to be coddled and sheltered from harsh realities. Go make something of yourself instead of relying on others to hand things to you or provide opportunities. I'm not where I am today because I had things handed to me - I worked hard, learned, and searched out ways to better myself and position.

Good for you I guess, 'cause everyone's life/circumstance is exactly the same as yours, right?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

There are X number of jobs, and X+n number of people who need one or need assistance. The difference between those 2 quantities is quite real ATM, regardless of your attempts to denigrate anybody not currently & continuously employed.

Did poor people create the difference in those amounts? Or are there other factors beyond their control?

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2013/03/graphs-for-duration-of-unemployment.html

Yeh, all those people under the red line just decided to go on welfare, I suppose.

Shouldn't it all trickle down? Where are those job creators, anyway?

Money and jobs aren't static numbers. Again it's part of the victim mentality you've latched onto. Money isn't a finite resource, nor are the number of jobs. People start new businesses every day(I started mine 4 months ago) and while some do close it doesn't mean that the number has to stay constant. And even if it did(which is absurd) then why not strive for a better job/position/etc instead of finding every lame excuse as to why you can't, won't, shouldn't... YOU are limiting yourself. people are limiting themselves. Break out of the victim mentality so you stop holding yourself back!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Good for you I guess, 'cause everyone's life/circumstance is exactly the same as yours, right?

Nope, didn't say they were but I've made some tough choices, some wrong ones, etc but one thing I didn't do was give up and give in. Everyone deserves a shot, an opportunity to better themselves but as noted - when they have a victim mentality they limit themselves before they even start. It needs to stop.

 

[DCal430]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_income_tax_credit

For tax year 2013, the maximum EITC benefit for a single person or couple filing without qualifying children is $487.
The maximum EITC with one qualifying child is $3,250, with two children it is $5,372, and with three or more qualifying children it is $6,044


At first I thought the poor can work the system by working under the table and having $0 reported income.
then claim the $6k.

But apparently you cant:
Earned income is defined by the United States Internal Revenue Code as income received through personal effort, with the following as the main sources... welfare isn't one of the sources.

so for those that actually work (working poor $38k - 51k), this $6k probably helps immensely.


edit:
The IRS has estimated that between 21% and 25% of this cost ($11.6 to $13.6 billion) is due to EITC payments that were issued improperly, to recipients who did not qualify for the EITC benefit that they received.


HOW!?

You understanding of the credit is 100% wrong. It is for people who are very low income. In is for people who income is between $1 and 17K/51K (Depending on number of children).

The maximum amount is earned for those with 3 children making between $15,500 and 22,900.

The group you listed 31 to 51K gets a greatly reduced amount.

 

[DCal430]

I think this is incorrect. The tax credit is subtracted from your gross income lowering your tax liability. It is not free money.

You are confusing credit and deduction.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Nope, didn't say they were but I've made some tough choices, some wrong ones, etc but one thing I didn't do was give up and give in. Everyone deserves a shot, an opportunity to better themselves but as noted - when they have a victim mentality they limit themselves before they even start. It needs to stop.

That's a handy skill to have, the ability to know who is a 'victim' and who isn't. Must truly be great to be you...

 

[DCal430]

We need to do away with bandaids like this, and instead start having reasonable excessive wealth tax, and proving programs that redistribute this wealth to those in need.

I support 10% tax per year on all net wealth over 1 Million, and 20% tax on all net wealth over 10 Million. No one deserves such excessive wealth.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

That's a handy skill to have, the ability to know who is a 'victim' and who isn't. Must truly be great to be you...

Try reading. This is about the mentality. It's quite easy to spot once you break out of it yourself. So no, there is no special skill or ability - just not having the victim mentality is all you need to spot it.


Also just for fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0ZzN6hxdzo

 

[Jhhnn]

Money and jobs aren't static numbers. Again it's part of the victim mentality you've latched onto. Money isn't a finite resource, nor are the number of jobs. People start new businesses every day(I started mine 4 months ago) and while some do close it doesn't mean that the number has to stay constant. And even if it did(which is absurd) then why not strive for a better job/position/etc instead of finding every lame excuse as to why you can't, won't, shouldn't... YOU are limiting yourself. people are limiting themselves. Break out of the victim mentality so you stop holding yourself back!

What sort of business have you started? Subcontract internet forum moralizing & propagandizing for the election?

I do love the false attributions of laziness repeated ad infinitum, like a chant.

USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

No one deserves such excessive wealth.

D: really? Why not just take it all if it is so excessive?

 

[Jhhnn]

Try reading. This is about the mentality. It's quite easy to spot once you break out of it yourself. So no, there is no special skill or ability - just not having the victim mentality is all you need to spot it.


Also just for fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0ZzN6hxdzo

Not having a holier than thou attitude helps one spot that. too.

 

[Jhhnn]

D: really? Why not just take it all if it is so excessive?

Go for absurdity! Go! Go!

 

[Jhhnn]

again with the victim mentality. My whole point is that people CAN change their outcomes if they really want to. The first step is to shed the victim mindset.

Yes, there really is an infinite pie! Jobs are out there for anybody who wants them, despite the automation, offshoring & looting of productive capacity.

The Rust Belt is just a figment of Loser! imaginations.