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amicold

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Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Try driving 55mph on the highway and the guy in front of you slams on his breaks because a deer jumps in front of him or he stops or swerves to avoid some debris on the road, and see what happens.

I'll stop fast enough avoid it. Fact. At 90mph, most cars cannot.

Wow please just drop yourself in a hot vat of something.
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: JLGatsby
would people be less likely to speed?

If less people were speeding, less cops would be needed to monitor speeders, and more could focus on serious crime like gangs and violence. Or in low crime areas, less cops would be needed in general and taxes would be lower.

I would give the $1,000 fine to anyone going 5mph or more over the speed limit.

I think people would say speeding is not worth the risk if it meant a minimum $1,000 fine.

its threads like this that make people think you are a dumbass.
 

Compton

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Originally posted by: maximus maximus
I think there are bigger crimes that the police should be worried about right now, like drugs, pedophelia etc..

Drugs? I'm more worried about the idiots in the full size pickups who are driving Warp 9.95 down the interstate than I am the idiots who are sitting in their basement smoking dope.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: nweaver
Originally posted by: her209
A cop makes $60K starting pay.
they wish

Little Better

So, would you patrol streets for speeders, or chase gun toting drug dealers for your ~30K?
You have to add in the overtime and holiday.

Btw, I'm basing it off first hand knowledge of a bro-in-law's salary.

Additionally, link to LAPD pay scale link

Base salaries for many police departments (out of academy) is normally in the mid-low 30s to mid 40s before OT.

Also, overtime is normally given to the senior officers before the rookies, which will get stuck with crap shifts and worse overtime shifts.

Hell, in NYC it's only $25k in the academy, and then jumps to $33k after. You don't get up to $60k until after 5 1/2 years.

Wealthy suburbs is where you want to work if you want to make money in LE, but it's normally something you have to transfer into, or have other experience such as military, EMT, or fire dept.
 

g8wayrebel

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This wouldn't stop speeders. It would stop those who care and even those who can can afford it.
The people who run 90 down the highway now don't care and wouldn't pay the fines anyway.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: SagaLore
You really don't know how to think outside the box, do you? No more cars, no more roads. It would be a rail system. The return on investment would be huge.

Uh no, you're not doing your research. Do you have an idea how much rail systems cost?

And what if I want to go somewhere where no rail exists, like a really small town or somewhere rural? You cannot cover EVERY road with rail, the costs of that would be ENORMOUS.

The cost of new rail per mile is between $200,000 to $1 million.

The cost of new highway per mile is $8 million to $39 million.

The rail system I have in mind is not your conventional 2 rail track with a caboose. The rail would replace every road in the US, including rural.

The all-rail system I had in SimCity worked great ;)


Oh yeah...I did that too! polution wasn't even a factor.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: regnez
Originally posted by: jdini76
The death penalty is enforced in Texas. Are there still murders?

That is an absolutely ridiculous comparison. Murder is a moral issue, speeding is not.


I disagree. Plenty of of logical, sane, and normal people have been convicted of murder. jdini76 was just showing how the most extreme incentive attached to one of the more reproachable crimes is still not enough incentive to abolish this crime. Speeding is barely a crime, and simply increasing the punishment is not going to drop the number from ~95% of people who do it (for whatever reason, at any given moment) to 0%

This idea is stupid. It sounds like it came from a 12 year-old.
 

termac50

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Forgive me if someone already mentioned this, but I drive a lot as part of my job, and every other day a cop flies past me at 90mph. No disco lights, no other apparent reason except for the love of hauling ass.

A friend of mine broke down on the side of I95 a few years ago. A cop pulled up, and sat with him on the hood of the car, waiting for a tow truck. People were speeding by, and my friend asked why the cop didn't pull anyone over. The cop said if they weren't going over 70mph, he couldn't pull them over. The speed limit was 55.
 

KeypoX

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Originally posted by: bignateyk
you're an idiot. If anything, they would put more cops to monitor speeders because they'd make that much mroe money from it. Thats pretty much the only reason LOCAL cops look for speeders. State troopers are a slightly different story.

huh isnt that the only thing stat troopers do? Is give tickets? Local cops dont give tickets
 

Kur

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If they increase speed limits by 10 or more sure, if not then don't give me a $1000 speeding ticket.
 

loic2003

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It's a stupid idea because everyone is going to be driving around looking at their speedos instead of the actual road. People will remain longer on the wrong side of the road when overtaking trucks, etc etc.

You'd think that if it was such a good idea, the government might have implemented it already. I doubt you with your 20 seconds of 'thought' will be able to come up with anything more effective that those who are paid to try and minimize traffic accidents each day.

Flamebait.
 

zinfamous

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you want to decrease speeding? charge $10.00 for a gallon of gas (really, based on supply, what the price SHOULD be now). want to decrease the number of asshats on the road? charge $10.00.

quick and easy.
 

Parasitic

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This idea is really dumb and unfair. Now the highway will become rich men's playgrounds and the elite will still speed nevertheless - all the better now that those who can't afford to pay the $1k will either drive very slow or avoid driving altogether.

To reduce speeding and related accidents, speed limits should be "reasonable and prudent" instead of a hard and ill-defined number.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: JLGatsby
would people be less likely to speed?

If less people were speeding, less cops would be needed to monitor speeders

That is not the reason cops monitor speeders. They do it for the $$. Same reason they continue lowering the legal limit of the influence of alcohol. It is not to decrease the amount of alcohol related accidents, it is to increase the number of DUI's and increase the amount of money coming in.

If they raised the fine for speeding to $1000, nobody would speed, and it could decrease the amount of money coming in. But keeping it low, say $25 to $100, keeps people speeding, and keeps $$ coming in. This is, in economics, known as price-elasticity, or at least very similiar.
 

Remedy

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Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
So, I think you?re correct in saying that stop signs will slow down drivers, but overusing them will simply cause people to ignore them.

But if there were a $1,000 fine for running a stop sign, people wouldn't ignore them.

And you're in Canada, and your other study is the UK. It's very different. Americans have very different habits than you guys and the Brits.

Well, actually I live in Boston, but I fail to see how British or Canadians have different driving habits when it comes to speeding. In fact, the study I cited examines American, British, and Canadian drivers.

edit: also, a $1,000 fine for running a stop sigh? Who would enforce it?

Mayor Menino would.
 

Estrella

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Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: her209
And btw, if you are serious about stopping speeders, put dips and bumps in the road.

WASTE of money. Those don't slow me down a BIT.

In my city, they have bought these digital signs (that show how fast you are going) that cost $5,000 each. And they did a study and it turned out, THEY DIGITAL SIGNS DIDN'T SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.

I about sh!t my pants in anger over this. All they would have had to do it PUT UP ANOTHER STOP SIGNS. They're cheap, last for years, and always effective. Stop means stop.

To stop speeders in residential areas, just put up stop signs.

People just use those to see just how fast they can make it through the pass, hoping they might beat their old personal best.

 

jdini76

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
you want to decrease speeding? charge $10.00 for a gallon of gas (really, based on supply, what the price SHOULD be now). want to decrease the number of asshats on the road? charge $10.00.

quick and easy.

The average cost/gal in Europe is ~$5 and the average speed is like 80 mph.
 

NicePants42

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Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: dullard
Now, with that in mind, what will happen if a poor or lower middle class person is fined $1000 due to a hidden speed limit sign? Bingo, they'll rob, steal, and murder to get that money. Crime will go through the roof with your plan.

Tell me you're joking. Because that's honestly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

WHAT would happen with poor people is that they would be LEAST likely to speed because they know they could not afford the ticket.

To say that there would be a crime wave because of speeding ticket fines is honestly the dumbest thing ever.

Well, I know two females who wouldn't be considered rich or insane. One assaulted a police officer for pulling her over for loud music in a residential neighborhood. The other, in response to my surprise, said 'Hey, s%$# happens'.

Just because someone is sane, and capable of making risk/reward decisions, does not mean that everyone will value a given risk/reward at the same level. In this case, ego was more valuable than jail time.