Originally posted by: JLGatsby
No it wouldn't, because I'd make a $1,000 fine for rioting.
You would not have a riot on your hands. Just because you want to speed 24/7 doesn't mean the rest of America does,
You would not have a riot on your hands. Just because you want to speed 24/7 doesn't mean the rest of America does,
BeauJangles
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Well, actually I live in Boston, but I fail to see how British or Canadians have different driving habits when it comes to speeding. In fact, the study I cited examines American, British, and Canadian drivers.
edit: also, a $1,000 fine for running a stop sigh? Who would enforce it?
I don't know where you live, but pretty much any freeway/highway I've ever been on anywhere in the US has contained a very large percentage of speeders. There are some highways inlarge cities where you have thousands of cars all going 15-20 MPH over the speed limit on daily basis. Add that to the fact that many people have been caught in speed traps even when they weren't intending to speed and you would indeed have massive civil unrest if you slapped a $1K fine onto speeding tickets.
GeekDrew
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There's a local highway with a speed limit of 65 MPH. There are *frequently* people driving 30-40 MPH on it. Don't tell me that they aren't causing a hazard to those going the speed limit.
Only to some extent. Speed limits are largely an arbitrary value; roads are even designed with MPH figures in mind, so as to increase ticket revenue. The vast majority of speed limits are *not* in the interest of public safety; they're in the interest of the law enforcement agency's budget. Example: a state bypass was recently built near my office. On and off ramps to it would be convenient in *many* places -- but the county decided to restrict the number of access routes to three. One of the three routes that is heavily traveled had to be constructed, as there was a field between the bypass and the destination road. They could have made it perfectly straight. They could have made slight bends in the road, so 55 MPH was possible. They could have been reasonable about it. Instead, they built it using continual S-curve patterns, making 35 MPH almost too fast to drive.
I live in a rural area. I know *many* people that run stop signs when there are no other vehicles in sight. Yes, they slow down... but momentarily get back up to speed. So you've gotten them back under the speed limit for.... oh, 100 feet? Putting more stop signs in around here wouldn't slow people down at all, unless they also placed a cop or camera at each and every intersection.
No, they are slowing down and stopping because they don't want a ticket for running a BS stop sign. They put a stop sign in a neighborhood near me. It's a 2 lane road and the stop sign sits at an intersection that has very little (near zero) cross traffic. I've taken it to and from work 5 days a week for 7+ years and I never saw an accident in that area. Oh wait, yes I did. There was an accident in the intersection *AFTER* the sign was put in place. People don't expect to see a stop sign where it doesn't belong.
The more I read of your thread the more idiotic you and your idea sound.
Don't twist my words. Read my post again. Yes, if everyone drove 5MPH slower with a large gap in front of them traffic would be awful and we would need more roads. Yes, you're the one with the idiotic argument. If you don't believe me go back and read this thread and see all of your supporters. Wait, I'll save you the time: ZERO
On I-95, the speed limit is 55 however no one REALLY does that, more like 70-75.
IMO, getting pulled over for doing 75-80 in the fast lane is not reasonable, I do not feel in anyway I am endangering someone.
Then again, it depends on the car, an 80K Mercedes will feel like 40 while doing 100.
Driving in America is viewed as a right, go to Germany where it is a privilege.
Here in America, we do not have a good transportation system outside of major cities like NYC. People NEED cars to get around and go to work, thus the reason it is so easy to obtain a license.
IMO, getting pulled over for doing 75-80 in the fast lane is not reasonable, I do not feel in anyway I am endangering someone.
Then again, it depends on the car, an 80K Mercedes will feel like 40 while doing 100.
Driving in America is viewed as a right, go to Germany where it is a privilege.
Here in America, we do not have a good transportation system outside of major cities like NYC. People NEED cars to get around and go to work, thus the reason it is so easy to obtain a license.
JulesMaximus
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If you would go as far as to kill another human being, you're not sane. That is a fact.
What sane person would MURDER someone?
Ok, I do live in the Bay Area, but I can guarantee you if I cruise control 75mph I will be passing 3/4 of all drivers.
I'm not talking about during rush hour. I'm talking about weekends when I commute from Berkeley to San Jose. Take LA also.
Yes I understand a good chunk of drivers who drive 80+ will still be passing me, but so what? There are a good chunk of people who don't drive that fast.
On vacation in Atlanta, I get by passing most people going 75. If you're talking about routes like I-5 when you're in between SF and LA, yea, 75 will put you smack dab BELOW median in speed, but that's because you're on a road in the middle of nowhere. I remember the same driving from Atlanta to Florida.
I know there are a good percentage of speeders (and if you mean speeders = over speed limit by even 1mph), but to me, speeding is something like an unreasonably high speed RELATIVE to the flow of traffic. Now I'm one of those people who believe that cops have the right to ticket at 66mph, but that would be unreasonable and quite BS to me. Thus, I'm fine with cops giving out tickets for speeding at like 85 - 90+. I know that if I drive anything above 80, I can get a ticket, and if I were to get one I wouldn't complain (If I were to get ticketed doing 75, I would fight for my life in court). I know that anything above 85, I'm asking for it if I pass a CHP officer in the Bay Area.
The question the OP posted refers to FINES not the method in which tickets are given. If you don't get tickets now, chances are you won't be getting tickets in the future either if you keep driving the way you do (unless you're unlucky one day). So I wouldn't mind having $1000 fines because I don't drive in a manner that gets me tickets.
Thus do increased penalties decrease chances of speeding? Probably. Just like my reference to red light cameras, I think most people will choose to be more cautious when it involves higher stakes (i.e. guaranteed ticket or higher fines).
Depends. I'm speaking about ILLEGAL murder. I'm not sure if that's considered self-defense, because you're defending someone. That might be legal to kill someone if they were doing that. Certainly a solider defending his country would not be considered "insane." Or a cop shooting a guy charging at him.
BUT, if it was illegal, yes you would be somewhat insane because you're not thinking it through. Because then you would go to jail for the rest of your life, and what out of that would your daughter gain? It would be better just to beat the guy to a bloody pulp and then call the cops, and let him be the one rotting away in jail.
JulesMaximus
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Hey Gasbag, don't you have some other important cause to trumpet, like say, PETA's opposition to the NBA going back to leather basketballs or something?
JulesMaximus
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Some people hold very little regard for human life. I'm sure there are people who, when pushed too far, could do things that they wouldn't normally do out of anger. Doesn't mean they're insane though. This sort of thing happens all the time.
Yes if it's in self defense and it's legal. I didn't clarify. I was speaking of illegal murder.
Jeff7
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The problem there though is that there still merely exists the threat of being caught speeding. It's a gamble, and people will still continue to take the risk, even if the price is high. I think that if they were serious about stopping speeding, they'd refine radar or laser speed detection technology, and put in automated things to monitor speed, kind of like what is used at traffic lights to ticket red light runners, or at toll booths to catch people who go through without paying.
Some speed limits could be raised then, but with no more of this, "I'm only doing 5-10mph over the limit." Alright, fine, if it's a 65mph zone where people usually do up to 80, make the limit 80mph, but make it a hard limit - if you go over, that's it, you've pushed it too far, you get the ticket.
Some speed limits could be raised then, but with no more of this, "I'm only doing 5-10mph over the limit." Alright, fine, if it's a 65mph zone where people usually do up to 80, make the limit 80mph, but make it a hard limit - if you go over, that's it, you've pushed it too far, you get the ticket.
I assumed everyone knew I meant illegal.
I guess you make it invalid to say, "only an insane person put their hand in molten lava!"
But what if someone held hostage a 100 people and said they would kill them all if you didn't do it? That wouldn't be insane. See you can twist it anyway. I'm not backpeddling, I just assumed more people ATOT have common sense. I should have know better.
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