if everyone lived like you, how many planets would we need?

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Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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This BS reminds me of how they said back in the 60s and 70s that half the world would be starving by now (year 200o on) because there wouldn't be enough land to grow all the food for the people... funny how that didn't happen.

Envirowhackos need to believe in their global doomsday just as much as fundaMENTAList Christians need to believe in their apocalypse, and for the exact same reason.
 

jagec

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Apr 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: Amused

Impossible.

Eating meat, driving ANY distance and having electricity puts you far over 1.0 planets.

I said I lived in Peru :p

If I say the US, and answer the same, it's like 3 planets.
 

cavemanmoron

Lifer
Mar 13, 2001
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CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 4.2

MOBILITY 0.2

SHELTER 11.9

GOODS/SERVICES 8.2

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 24



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 5.5 PLANETS.


 

aplefka

Lifer
Feb 29, 2004
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CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 6.2

MOBILITY 1.5

SHELTER 3.2

GOODS/SERVICES 4.2

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 15



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3.4 PLANETS.

 

TBone48

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Feb 23, 2005
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3.1 planets! That seems to be lower than most, from what I've read so far. Should I feel proud or ashamed?
 

radioouman

Diamond Member
Nov 4, 2002
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CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 4.9
MOBILITY 11.9
SHELTER 8.6
GOODS/SERVICES 13.8
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 39



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 8.8 PLANETS.
 

mrSHEiK124

Lifer
Mar 6, 2004
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CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 4.9
MOBILITY 5.2
SHELTER 4.4
GOODS/SERVICES 8.6
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 23



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 5.2 PLANETS.
 

Andres3605

Senior member
Nov 14, 2004
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FOOD 4.2
MOBILITY 1.7
SHELTER 4
GOODS/SERVICES 4
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 14
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3.1 PLANETS.
 
Aug 26, 2004
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CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 6.9

MOBILITY 5.7

SHELTER 5.9

GOODS/SERVICES 10.6

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 29



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 6.6 PLANETS
 

crisscross

Golden Member
Apr 29, 2001
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CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 0.2
MOBILITY 0.2
SHELTER 0.2
GOODS/SERVICES 0.1
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 0.7



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 0.8 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.0 PLANETS.
 

jessieqwert

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Jun 21, 2003
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We actually had to write a paper on this for Environmental Studies 196...

An ecological footprint is the amount of earth?s surface that a person uses throughout his or her life. The area can either be depleted by the resources that are obtained from it or waste and pollution that destroy it. Direct and indirect factors are used to calculate an ecological footprint. For example, it accounts for the size of the shelter a person lives in but also the amount of land necessary to produce the food that they eat. Transportation is another major factor that effects the environment due to material costs, fuel costs, and pollution. Location also factors in to transportation. Living in a city requires traveling less distance compared to living in a rural area. Flying is especially heavy on the environment due to the large spaces necessary for planes and heavy materials and fuel consumption.
The United States, Canada, and Finland have the highest per capita geological footprint, using 24, 22, and 21 acres respectively. Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan have the lowest per capita footprint, using 1.3, 1.9, and 2 acres respectively. The countries with the smallest footprints all have a high population compared to the amount of land in the country. India especially has a population growth rate that far exceeds the resources available in the country. The three northern countries with large footprints all are relatively wealthy. While their own countries can not sustain the resources consumed by the people, they have enough purchasing power to import all necessary goods for the near future.
The U.S. is a northern country that is often discussed as a very high consumption country. The average per capita ecological footprint is 24 acres. This is the highest of any nation in the world. It would require 5.5 planets to sustain every human on the planet if they lived like the average American. The size of North America plays a major role in consumption. In order to travel almost everyone needs a car to commute to work, school, home, or shops because of the large distance between them. In most European areas a bike or the bus is sufficient for commuting because of the closer proximity of buildings.
Our capitalist economy also plays a large role in our use of resources. There is a great incentive for companies to produce as much product as is demanded.
I use 15 acres while living at college and 23 acres while living at home. It would require 3.4 and 5.2 planets respectively, to sustain everyone at that level. My father uses 24 acres, exactly the national average. It takes 5.5 planets to sustain that amount of consumption. The most significant difference between him and me is the amount of transportation we use. Almost all of my transportation is on foot, completely opposite of my father. The second major difference is the amount of materials and services we consume. Living at college is very environmentally friendly compared to living at home due to the proximity of all the buildings. At home it is necessary to use a car far more to travel. This increases my consumption so that it is almost equal to my father?s. However, when I graduate I create a footprint that is somewhere in between what it is at college and at home. I will almost certainly be living in a smaller home, probably an apartment. I also believe that I will not need to travel as far as I do at home.
Currently 3% of the earth?s wilderness is preserved by regulations. In the U.S. a person with a very small ecological footprint of 8 acres, would still require 2 earths to sustain that lifestyle for everyone and maintain 3% of the of the surface for protected plant and animal areas. The idea of preserving 12% of the earth?s surface or even 30%-70% of the earth?s surface hides the fact that most of the world?s population will have to live in very sparse conditions. The statistics calculated above assume that the person lives in an environmentally friendly house, gets half their food from a nearby source, and carpools in a very efficient car. If the rest of the world catches up to this standard of living not even 1% of the earth can be preserved. This indicates that our resources will continue to become scarcer as human conditions improve. A goal that would test the strain of preserving wilderness on our resources would be to double the amount of land currently protected to 6%. This currently feasible goal would be a reasonable experiment in future conservation.
In order to reduce the size of my footprint here at school I decided to see what would happen if I studied from home. If I lived at home and commuted to school it would require far more resources. At home I have almost the same footprint as my fathers. Many of the factors that determine the footprint remain constant. College life seems to reduce a person?s impact on the environment by about 10 acres when compared to living in a house. The idea that packing a lot of people and what they need in a tight area reduces environmental impact could be used on a larger scale. Most people would agree that college life is generally agreeable. If the high cost of living could be driven down this type of urban environment would be very effective. At college there is very little I could do to decrease my ecological footprint. Eating less meat would decrease my footprint individually, but not effect the environment as the cafeteria produces a fixed amount. Consuming less meat at home also decreases my footprint but I would have a hard time eating meat less than once a day. The gas mileage of my car is merely average. If I buy a car that is very fuel efficient I could increase my gas mileage and cut down on fuel consumption. This is a very viable option since some of my costs could be regained by the fuel saved with the new car. Flying also uses a lot of resources. I could decrease my footprint by not flying at all. However, because I have relatives overseas this option is not very attractive. There are no reasonable alternatives to flying so it seems likely that is something I will do for most of my life.
An ecological footprint is an interesting way to think about one?s impact on the earth. It shows how much we actually consume as opposed to what?s directly in front of us. The beef that we eat was once a cow grazing on a pasture. Thus that pasture size has to be factored in to our ecological footprint. Then the meat has to be transported requiring fuel, roads, and expending pollution. All these factors are considered in an ecological footprint and are not normally thought of. The footprint also shows how many planets it would require to sustain everybody at your level of consumption. It shows the large disparity between nations in terms of resources. The footprint makes it clear that very few live as prosperously as someone in the US. Ideally everyone would consume the same ecological footprint and consume only as much as our planet can sustain. Realistically, history has created many differences through out the world that will be hard to change.

 

classy

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
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CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 6.9

MOBILITY 3.2

SHELTER 8.2

GOODS/SERVICES 10.4

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 29



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 6.4 PLANETS.
 

krcat1

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Jan 20, 2005
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Originally posted by: jessieqwert
We actually had to write a paper on this for Environmental Studies 196...

(rest emitted for the sake of clarity)

FOOD 6.9
MOBILITY 2.2
SHELTER 8.4
GOODS/SERVICES 7.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 25

Have you ever considered your Eco class was a load of PC and anti-capitalist crap?

My father use to work behind a plow, and get 20 bushels of corn per acre, @ 2.50 per bushel.
Today, most of his friends who plant corn get about 200 bushels per acre, and corn still sells at 2.50/ bushel.

The best way for humanity to lower the footprint is by progress, and by rejecting all the eco fearmongering and their corrupt socialist allies.
 

jai6638

Golden Member
Apr 9, 2004
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CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 2.5

MOBILITY 1.7

SHELTER 3.2

GOODS/SERVICES 4.4

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 12



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.
 

Wadded Beef

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Dec 15, 2004
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well the funny thing is that my space is shared by hundreds of other people, say at the mall. and the acres of land growing the food i eat feeds hundreds of other people at the same time...so if you figure the space that i personally take up we only need about .5 earths...
 

mercanucaribe

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Oct 20, 2004
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Why are so many people having trouble understanding ecological footprint? The space you live in is not your ecological footprint. Ecological footprint is about the resources you use, IE the amount of land you would need to be completely self sufficient, and produce JUST enough for yourself and your current lifestyle, including food production, fuel, etc.
 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Why are so many people having trouble understanding ecological footprint? The space you live in is not your ecological footprint. Ecological footprint is about the resources you use, IE the amount of land you would need to be completely self sufficient, and produce JUST enough for yourself and your current lifestyle, including food production, fuel, etc.

Because bullsh!t anti-capitalist drivel is hard to understand for the simple reason that it makes no sense whatsoever to a thinking person not riddled with white liberal guilt.

The propaganda they teach in schools these days is simply shocking.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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Dont know about me, but if it was Micheal Jackson, we'd probably need over 100 earth size planets. :p
 

bigredguy

Platinum Member
Mar 18, 2001
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CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 6.9

MOBILITY 19

SHELTER 11.1

GOODS/SERVICES 34.1

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 71



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 16 PLANETS.


Wow, i am an earth hog
 
May 31, 2001
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I couldn't get past the first batch of questions. None of the cities listed have weather even remotely similar to where I live.
 

sparkyclarky

Platinum Member
May 3, 2002
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2.7 planets for me, but that is because I don't own a car, I ride the bus and walk (one of the benefits of living in the dense part of a college town)