ICE fires first shot.

[HomerJS]

How does he shut down elections that are highly decentralized? You and others continue to ascribe powers to him that he doesn't have. You don't have to do that at all. That's how his bs influence power works - people assuming he has authorities where he has 0. Try to make the distinction sometime between those and his legal authorities.

Maybe not totally shut down but interfere. Such as...

Deploying ICE and active duty military to polling places in blue states to intimidate.
Seize voting machines (he tried in 2020)
Fuck with mail in ballots.
More redistricting

 

[HomerJS]

6-year-old girl left alone after ICE grabs N.J. dad picking up dinner outside his door.​

6-year-old girl left alone after ICE grabs N.J. dad picking up dinner outside his door

The Morristown man, a Honduran native, doesn't have a criminal record.

www.yahoo.com

Girl was wandering the streets alone looking for her "Papi". Neighbor found her.

 

[HomerJS]

Professional agitators starting shit In Minnesota

 

[ivwshane]

How do you think government works btw?

edit: key words in our system of government - REPRESENTATIVE Democracy

You didn’t answer the question and if you aren’t willing to answer then don’t bother responding to me.

 

[MrSquished]

You didn’t answer the question and if you aren’t willing to answer then don’t bother responding to me.

Umm your response was completely nonsensical, as if you don't even understand how government works

So by what means can we hold democrats accountable that we can’t do foot republicans?

You do realize that in a representative democracy, we elect representatives to represent our interests, and to protect us from threats. Holding your own party accountable is part of your responsibility as a citizen, because they are the ones that wield the actual power to do things on your behalf. So as Democrats, we are responsible for holding our party, the only opposition party to evil MAGA, accountable. As citizens we can do things to oppose the opposition party, and nowhere did I say we shouldn't, such as protest, document (like the minnesota citizens) etc... - but our most powerful avenue is by how we choose and support the opposition party which represents us. Why this has to be explained is beyond me.

If you don't understand how our democracy functions, I'm not sure it's possible to hold a conversation with you.

One of, if not the most, powerful tools at our disposal, to hold the Republicans accountable, is to make sure we do our best to support an opposition party and politicians whom we support with our DOLLARS & VOTES - to account. THe whole reason we elect them is to hold Republicans accountable. To do that job with the power we vest in them, to hold the evil GQP to accountability, partly done by opposing them propertly. Currently the Democratic party is not looking out for our best interests at all, and their rotten to the core corruption has just helped lead us into this horrific situation in the first place.


But was we know, some people here are totally ok with that. The funniest thing these past couple of years is realizing their is an establishment Democratic party cult. Fucking pathetic.

 

[ivwshane]

Umm your response was completely nonsensical, as if you don't even understand how government works



You do realize that in a representative democracy, we elect representatives to represent our interests, and to protect us from threats. Holding your own party accountable is part of your responsibility as a citizen, because they are the ones that wield the actual power to do things on your behalf. So as Democrats, we are responsible for holding our party, the only opposition party to evil MAGA, accountable. As citizens we can do things to oppose the opposition party, and nowhere did I say we shouldn't, such as protest, document (like the minnesota citizens) etc... - but our most powerful avenue is by how we choose and support the opposition party which represents us. Why this has to be explained is beyond me.

If you don't understand how our democracy functions, I'm not sure it's possible to hold a conversation with you.

One of, if not the most, powerful tools at our disposal, to hold the Republicans accountable, is to make sure we do our best to support an opposition party and politicians whom we support with our DOLLARS & VOTES - to account. THe whole reason we elect them is to hold Republicans accountable. To do that job with the power we vest in them, to hold the evil GQP to accountability, partly done by opposing them propertly. Currently the Democratic party is not looking out for our best interests at all, and their rotten to the core corruption has just helped lead us into this horrific situation in the first place.


But was we know, some people here are totally ok with that. The funniest thing these past couple of years is realizing their is an establishment Democratic party cult. Fucking pathetic.

So to answer my original question your answer is that we can hold both parties accountable in the exact same way, which contradicts your original response. The fact that YOU don’t have the ability to sway republicans doesn’t negate the fact that to hold republicans accountable you do the same as you do with democrats, you vote them out along with everything else you said.
Because that’s how our democracy works.

 

[MrSquished]

So to answer my original question your answer is that we can hold both parties accountable in the exact same way, which contradicts your original response. The fact that YOU don’t have the ability to sway republicans doesn’t negate the fact that to hold republicans accountable you do the same as you do with democrats, you vote them out along with everything else you said.
Because that’s how our democracy works.

no I didn't say that at all, and it isn't you dolt.

We, as democrats, are able to hold republicans accountable by who we elect and support in our party. In a representative democracy, that's how it works. The politicians we fucking vote for and hold accountable, are the ones given the power to actually do it to the other party. So our job as democrats is to do that, and not be in a cult to a party establishment, like you.

Holy fuck the cult is strong in you wacky dudes.

 

[NWRMidnight]

no I didn't say that at all, and it isn't you dolt.

We, as democrats, are able to hold republicans accountable by who we elect and support in our party. In a representative democracy, that's how it works. The politicians we fucking vote for and hold accountable, are the ones given the power to actually do it to the other party. So our job as democrats is to do that, and not be in a cult to a party establishment, like you.

Holy fuck the cult is strong in you wacky dudes.

You claim the cult is strong with people, who are clearly not in a cult (@ivwshane for example), as you make it sound like only democrates get to vote, and they have to support someone in the democrate party. Yet, you are ignoring the fact that voters are a collective of republican , Democrat, other political parties, and independance voters, where we all hold them accountable thru the same means. Ignoring that fact, coupled with your apparent belief that you have to support someone from your party, actually makes you appear to be the one in a cult.

The truth of the matter is, it is our job, and ultimatly our responsability, as voters, to vote in the best people to represent us, which is obvioulsy subjective, but avoid limiting ourselves to only those in our party, as other's outside of our party may be the best and correct person to represent us. That includes putting honorable, and moral people in congress, that will hold each other accountable regardless of party affiliation. Our responsibility as voters, also comes with the job of convicing others to see why XYZ are not the right people, which includes trying to get the current "republicans" to see those facts. However, we have to get back to where we can talk out our differences, rather than hate on them, before that can be accomplished. That can only be accomplished if we hold ourselves accountable, and change how we interact with each other.

I personally believe all political parties need to be abolished. It's time those that represent us, do it on their merits, their history, their experience, etc, just like every other person who is applying for a job has to do. And the second they attack somone, they are automatically disqaulified to run. Imagine what would happen if we started attacking other applicants in a job interview.. we would be ushered out the door in a heartbeat. So why do we tolerate it with those that are applying for the job (campaigning) to represent us?

 

[MrSquished]

You claim the cult is strong with people, who are clearly not in a cult (@ivwshane for example), as you make it sound like only democrates get to vote, and they have to support someone in the democrate party. Yet, you are ignoring the fact that voters are a collective of republican , Democrat, other political parties, and independance voters, where we all hold them accountable thru the same means. Ignoring that fact, coupled with your apparent belief that you have to support someone from your party, actually makes you appear to be the one in a cult.

The truth of the matter is, it is our job, and ultimatly our responsability, as voters, to vote in the best people to represent us, which is obvioulsy subjective, but avoid limiting ourselves to only those in our party, as other's outside of our party may be the best and correct person to represent us. That includes putting honorable, and moral people in congress, that will hold each other accountable regardless of party affiliation. Our responsibility as voters, also comes with the job of convicing others to see why XYZ are not the right people, which includes trying to get the current "republicans" to see those facts. However, we have to get back to where we can talk out our differences, rather than hate on them, before that can be accomplished. That can only be accomplished if we hold ourselves accountable, and change how we interact with each other.

I personally believe all political parties need to be abolished. It's time those that represent us, do it on their merits, their history, their experience, etc, just like every other person who is applying for a job has to do. And the second they attack somone, they are automatically disqaulified to run. Imagine what would happen if we started attacking other applicants in a job interview.. we would be ushered out the door in a heartbeat. So why do we tolerate it with those that are applying for the job (campaigning) to represent us?

Where did I say that only Democrats get to vote? Nowhere. You completely made shit up or miscontrued shit. Take your pick.

And I literally said our greatest power is to elect the best people to represent us, and since we live in a two party system right now, as Democrats, the opposition party, one of our most powerful tools is to hold that party accountable. Which is what those cats are getting all pissy about me saying, cause they are cultists to that party. THat is literally my whole point.

Hol-ee-crap.

Also there is no talking out differences with MAGA cultists at this point. And, also it seems, Democratic party cultists, as has become all too sadly evident. Some even have said recently they don't blame Dems for a damn thing lolol

 

[NWRMidnight]

Where did I say that only Democrats get to vote? Nowhere. You completely made shit up or miscontrued shit. Take your pick.

And I literally said our greatest power is to elect the best people to represent us, and since we live in a two party system right now, as Democrats, the opposition party, one of our most powerful tools is to hold that party accountable. Which is what those cats are getting all pissy about me saying, cause they are cultists to that party. THat is literally my whole point.

Hol-ee-crap.

Also there is no talking out differences with MAGA cultists at this point. And, also it seems, Democratic party cultists, as has become all too sadly evident. Some even have said recently they don't blame Dems for a damn thing lolol

Your words and arguing with @ivwshane makes it hard to not interprete it that way. If I was wrong, you would understand what he was telling you and we wouldn't be talking about it anymore, and I wouldn't have made my post. But instead you are calling him a cultist.. missing the irony of that claim, as you ignore your own actions and words. As American citizens, and voters, we have the ability to hold all politicians accountable, regardless of party. You are stuck on believing you can only hold democrates accountable because you are a democrate. Seems you missed the point all together, and continue to do so.

Seems you also ignored my part about change starts with ourselves, which means you have to change the mindset that you can't talk out differences with MAGA, because you will miss the ones that may listen, or those that you think are MAGA, but are not.

 

[jdubs03]

I’ll just state the obvious. There is a much higher level of “cultiness” with MAGA.

While I agree that the Democrats need to be stronger against this administration, it’s also easy to say that when you’re not in the thick of it; and unfortunately when you’re in a total minority there just isn’t that much you can do.

I think what they’re trying to do is walking a tight rope. To do enough but not past the point where they’d then be blamed by the people who they’d need to get onboard for future elections.

And I think with this years midterms we will see a welcome result hopefully gaining a majority both chambers.

Seems you also ignored my part about change starts with ourselves, which means you have to change the mindset that you can't talk out differences with MAGA, because you will miss the ones that may listen, or those that you think are MAGA, but are not.

By all means, we should be as accommodating as possible and as patient as possible. Because that’s really gonna be the only way to win people over (along with good policies obviously).

But there are vast amounts of these people that will never listen. They’ll never accept they’re wrong. They’ll never adhere to logic. There is a mental block with these people that is essentially unbreakable. The only way for those people is to break out of it themselves.

 

[ivwshane]

no I didn't say that at all, and it isn't you dolt.

We, as democrats, are able to hold republicans accountable by who we elect and support in our party. In a representative democracy, that's how it works. The politicians we fucking vote for and hold accountable, are the ones given the power to actually do it to the other party. So our job as democrats is to do that, and not be in a cult to a party establishment, like you.

Holy fuck the cult is strong in you wacky dudes.

The irony is that I’m not even a Democrat. Why? Because you exemplify exactly the type of mindset people have when they join parties/groups/ideologies/team etc, they start ignoring things in order to protect their party/group/ideology/team. As NWR pointed out, the problem isn’t a Democrat one, it’s a voter problem and it doesn’t matter what party you belong to, the solution is the same, vote and vote for better people. That’s why it’s laughable that you only complain about democrats and think you or anyone else have any impact or sway with republicans. You absolutely do and if I’m being completely honest, you do more harm for your cause than good. You don’t make me want to vote for democrats let alone engage in politics. Whatever tactic you are think you are using Is not working and reevaluate what it is exactly you are trying to do, unless turning off voters is your goal.

 

[ivwshane]

I’ll just state the obvious. There is a much higher level of “cultiness” with MAGA.

While I agree that the Democrats need to be stronger against this administration, it’s also easy to say that when you’re not in the thick of it; and unfortunately when you’re in a total minority there just isn’t that much you can do.

I think what they’re trying to do is walking a tight rope. To do enough but not past the point where they’d then be blamed by the people who they’d need to get onboard for future elections.

And I think with this years midterms we will see a welcome result hopefully gaining a majority both chambers.

By all means, we should be as accommodating as possible and as patient as possible. Because that’s really gonna be the only way to win people over (along with good policies obviously).

But there are vast amounts of these people that will never listen. They’ll never accept they’re wrong. They’ll never adhere to logic. There is a mental block with these people that is essentially unbreakable. The only way for those people is to break out of it themselves.

While I agree, I think the one thing a lot of us do is that when someone does “wake up”, instead of welcoming them back to reality we want to rub their noses in the shit they did. I don’t think we should just ignore what they did but I don’t think it’s helpful to only recognize the shit they supported but also recognize and appreciate their willingness to question what they once believed uncritically.

 

[MrSquished]

Your words and arguing with @ivwshane makes it hard to not interprete it that way. If I was wrong, you would understand what he was telling you and we wouldn't be talking about it anymore, and I wouldn't have made my post. But instead you are calling him a cultist.. missing the irony of that claim, as you ignore your own actions and words. As American citizens, and voters, we have the ability to hold all politicians accountable, regardless of party. You are stuck on believing you can only hold democrates accountable because you are a democrate. Seems you missed the point all together, and continue to do so.

Seems you also ignored my part about change starts with ourselves, which means you have to change the mindset that you can't talk out differences with MAGA, because you will miss the ones that may listen, or those that you think are MAGA, but are not.

Try to follow along with the conversations that happen here a little better. He is one of a few people that only give me pushback when I dare say we need to hold the Democrats accountable for their corruption, they total failures as an opposition party that helped get us here, their lack of actual progressive values, and their lack of any any conviction to stand up to Trump.

I'm pretty sure he recently said he doesn't blame the Democrats for a damn thing.

Anyway, you have no idea what you're talking about basically. You commented on a conversation that's been ongoing and that you clearly have a lack of knowledge of. Which is fine. So if you want to figure out what's been going on and read a bit, by all means, chime back in and I'll respond.

 

[MrSquished]

The irony is that I’m not even a Democrat. Why? Because you exemplify exactly the type of mindset people have when they join parties/groups/ideologies/team etc, they start ignoring things in order to protect their party/group/ideology/team. As NWR pointed out, the problem isn’t a Democrat one, it’s a voter problem and it doesn’t matter what party you belong to, the solution is the same, vote and vote for better people. That’s why it’s laughable that you only complain about democrats and think you or anyone else have any impact or sway with republicans. You absolutely do and if I’m being completely honest, you do more harm for your cause than good. You don’t make me want to vote for democrats let alone engage in politics. Whatever tactic you are think you are using Is not working and reevaluate what it is exactly you are trying to do, unless turning off voters is your goal.

You're fucking delusional.

I'm not a Democrat either I'm a registered independent.

It's funny what you think you are in your head, except whenever I push back against all this shit Democrats did wrong, you're the one piss always pushing back on it like I'm delusional.

You're in complete self-denial.

Bigly sad.

And you say I've only complained about Democrats. All you do is lie. I have shit on the Republicans way longer and more than the Democrats. Jesus Christ you don't even have to be here for long to realize that, but you've been here for years. The fact you say that shows how intellectually bankrupt and pathologically lying you are.

I've said it before and I'll say it one more time. We are mostly here as left of center folks, so we need to do what we can to elect the best politicians and opposition party to help us implement the best policies and fight the evil of the Republicans.

The fact you think we must only bitch about Republicans and if we dare our criticize the opposition party we're not criticizing the Republicans is fucking bizarro world.

You lie as much as maga. We've been through all this before, this exact conversation, and my entire posting history, and you still lie lie lie about everything.

You're as nuts as them with your total disconnect from reality, just not evil. But full of shit in the same way.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Try to follow along with the conversations that happen here a little better. He is one of a few people that only give me pushback when I dare say we need to hold the Democrats accountable for their corruption, they total failures as an opposition party that helped get us here, their lack of actual progressive values, and their lack of any any conviction to stand up to Trump.

I'm pretty sure he recently said he doesn't blame the Democrats for a damn thing.

Anyway, you have no idea what you're talking about basically. You commented on a conversation that's been ongoing and that you clearly have a lack of knowledge of. Which is fine. So if you want to figure out what's been going on and read a bit, by all means, chime back in and I'll respond.

Oh, I have been following the conversations. Seems you need to change your name to MrNarcasist. Because that is what you have turned into. It's everyone else who is the problem or wrong, but not you, or anything you do or say.. Then you lash out at people, make accusations and assumptions, because you don't like what they say, or they don't agree with you. Sounds pretty familiar to the actions of someone you claim to not support. Maybe you have more in common with that person than you want to admit. Yet you are not MAGA.. go figure.

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2013007426870551013

pastor gets called out, love to see it

 

[feralkid]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2013007426870551013

pastor gets called out, love to see it

He's truly a scoundrel.


Let him burn.

 

[HomerJS]

Cruelty and terrorizing is the point.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldNewsHeadlines/comments/1qhl63v/ice_detains_elderly_man_in_freezing_cold_without

 

[Brainonska511]

While I agree, I think the one thing a lot of us do is that when someone does “wake up”, instead of welcoming them back to reality we want to rub their noses in the shit they did. I don’t think we should just ignore what they did but I don’t think it’s helpful to only recognize the shit they supported but also recognize and appreciate their willingness to question what they once believed uncritically.

The big thing is just providing people with off ramps. Because not everyone comes from the same place. You don't have to necessarily welcome them back into your life, or promote them in public, or elect them to public office. It's just about peeling off your opposition and keeping them from digging in instead.

That's why you see some people talking about training or imposing more oversight - they are the off ramps for squishy people. After all, that seems like a reasonable thing to require at a minimum to mouth breathing voters. Plus, extended training could serve to bleed more people out (eg, idiots don't make it to the end of extended training) of the service in the first place. And when it doesn't work because it is a rotten agency, it builds further support for more massive reforms and reallocation of authorities that are needed once you actually have political power.

Cruelty and terrorizing is the point.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldNewsHeadlines/comments/1qhl63v/ice_detains_elderly_man_in_freezing_cold_without

If you read further about it, it was a) a warrantless entry, and b) the person detained was a US citizen.

 

[brycejones]

If you read further about it, it was a) a warrantless entry, and b) the person detained was a US citizen.

So a total waste of time against the supposed mission of the agency. Once again the illegal and abusive conduct to sow fear is the real point. Fucking fascist fucks.

 

[Brainonska511]

So a total waste of time against the supposed mission of the agency. Once again the illegal and abusive conduct to sow fear is the real point. Fucking fascist fucks.

Yep, just utter lawlessness from them. Building the public case to eliminate ICE/CBP and devolve their authorities to other agencies with less toxic cultures.

 

[MrSquished]

The big thing is just providing people with off ramps. Because not everyone comes from the same place. You don't have to necessarily welcome them back into your life, or promote them in public, or elect them to public office. It's just about peeling off your opposition and keeping them from digging in instead.

That's why you see some people talking about training or imposing more oversight - they are the off ramps for squishy people. After all, that seems like a reasonable thing to require at a minimum to mouth breathing voters. Plus, extended training could serve to bleed more people out (eg, idiots don't make it to the end of extended training) of the service in the first place. And when it doesn't work because it is a rotten agency, it builds further support for more massive reforms and reallocation of authorities that are needed once you actually have political power.


If you read further about it, it was a) a warrantless entry, and b) the person detained was a US citizen.

oh lord. defending stupidity with stupid adjective drops.

A lot of people like you and the corrupt politicians you support gave Trump a huge assist in gaining power. You should be ashamed for how you think - you are also complicit.

 

[MrSquished]

Yep, just utter lawlessness from them. Building the public case to eliminate ICE/CBP and devolve their authorities to other agencies with less toxic cultures.

this is why instead of standing up to fascism, we should help fund them and ask for better training, from people that could give two shits.

 

[Brainonska511]

oh lord. defending stupidity with stupid adjective drops.

A lot of people like you and the corrupt politicians you support gave Trump a huge assist in gaining power. You should be ashamed for how you think - you are also complicit.

You're the worst ally people could ask for, just screaming at everyone who might agree with you or might be convinced to agree with you like a deranged lunatic.