ICE fires first shot.

[[DHT]Osiris]

Do you know how many places there are to vote in this country?

Just saying, there's no need to blockade voting centers against tens of millions of voters, just arrest anyone running the voting center and shut it down. A crew of 10 Nazi agents could shut down a dozen or two centers in a day. What's that, a couple hundred per blue/swing state?

 

[Pens1566]

Why do you ascribe more power to Trump and his goons than they really have? They can't even handle some nonviolent protestors with whistles and cameras in Minneapolis as they rush in more goons.

Uh, they're "handling it" pretty well. Minneapolis is a fucking mess right now, which is exactly what they want. And the troops aren't even there yet (but they will be).

Again, it would only take a few key locations where they seriously impact the D turnout to flip swing states. They don't need to do it everywhere.

The people that have been shouted down with "you're overreacting" for ~10 years have largely been proven right. That has now turned into "wow, who could have seen this one coming".

 

[mikeymikec]

People in the US have had to endure worse for trying to vote

Does anyone here doubt that Americans are living in an era that it's perfectly plausible for the GQP to steal the election (or shut down elections in the name of 'security')? If so, I don't think the US electorate has had to endure worse.

 

[Brainonska511]

Just saying, there's no need to blockade voting centers against tens of millions of voters, just arrest anyone running the voting center and shut it down. A crew of 10 Nazi agents could shut down a dozen or two centers in a day. What's that, a couple hundred per blue/swing state?

And I'm saying if it comes to that, people should be doing a lot more than they are already doing.

Use your whatever privilege to tell those people to get fucked and stroll in with your buds. And people will do that throughout the country.

You're way overestimating the ability of this administration to effectively project power domestically.

 

[Brainonska511]

Does anyone here doubt that Americans are living in an era that it's perfectly plausible for the GQP to steal the election (or shut down elections in the name of 'security')? If so, I don't think the US electorate has had to endure worse.

Try being a black person trying to vote before the mid 60s in the South.

 

[mikeymikec]

Try being a black person trying to vote before the mid 60s in the South.

No doubt. Then think about there effectively being no voting booth.

 

[Brainonska511]

Again, it would only take a few key locations where they seriously impact the D turnout to flip swing states. They don't need to do it everywhere.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll be able to handle a few hundred or thousand people showing up to their voting center. Right...

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

And I'm saying if it comes to that, people should be doing a lot more than they are already doing.

Use your whatever privilege to tell those people to get fucked and stroll in with your buds. And people will do that throughout the country.

You're way overestimating the ability of this administration to effectively project power domestically.

My man, they're already disappearing people off the streets. You think people should wait until they're enacting the plans before you should figure out a way to keep them from enacting the plan? That's nonsense.

And once again, you can't vote if there's nobody there, the doors are locked, power is off. Who are you going to yell at? Who are you going to force to let you vote? ICE arrested them all that morning, remember?

 

[Brainonska511]

No doubt. Then think about there effectively being no voting booth.

Sure, Trump can try, but there is a difference between what he can legally do and what he can try to do through influence.

If you've watched, the things where he continually steps on a rake is the places where he has no legal power.

 

[Brainonska511]

My man, they're already disappearing people off the streets. You think people should wait until they're enacting the plans before you should figure out a way to keep them from enacting the plan? That's nonsense.

Well, I guess you should either give up or start doing something [redacted] if you think those are the outcomes of future elections.

 

[Pens1566]

Yeah, I'm sure they'll be able to handle a few hundred or thousand people showing up to their voting center. Right...

The people saying "it can't happen" for a decade have largely been proven wrong. Just saying ...

 

[mikeymikec]

Sure, Trump can try, but there is a difference between what he can legally do and what he can try to do through influence.

If you've watched, the things where he continually steps on a rake is the places where he has no legal power.

There's basically not a day going by that his administration hasn't engaged in straight-up Nazi and/or illegal shit *and he's getting away with it*. In the event that he either shuts down elections or obviously steals one, the Dems are going to be like, "I'm going to write a strongly-worded letter about this!".

 

[Brainonska511]

There's basically not a day going by that his administration hasn't engaged in straight-up Nazi and/or illegal shit *and he's getting away with it*. In the event that he either shuts down elections or obviously steals one, the Dems are going to be like, "I'm going to write a strongly-worded letter about this!".

How does he shut down elections that are highly decentralized? You and others continue to ascribe powers to him that he doesn't have. You don't have to do that at all. That's how his bs influence power works - people assuming he has authorities where he has 0. Try to make the distinction sometime between those and his legal authorities.

 

[mikeymikec]

How does he shut down elections that are highly decentralized? You and others continue to ascribe powers to him that he doesn't have. You don't have to do that at all. That's how his bs influence power works - people assuming he has authorities where he has 0. Try to make the distinction sometime between those and his legal authorities.

If someone said to you in 2016 that he was going to have masked armed men disappearing people off the streets en masse as well as concentration camps, you would be asking the same question. You guys are living in straight-up Nazi land and you need to stop responding with disbelief at what is perfectly plausible.

 

[MrSquished]

How does he shut down elections that are highly decentralized? You and others continue to ascribe powers to him that he doesn't have. You don't have to do that at all. That's how his bs influence power works - people assuming he has authorities where he has 0. Try to make the distinction sometime between those and his legal authorities.

lololololololololololololololol

establishment Dem cultists don't exist in reality, because that is the only way one can defend those corrupt shitheads.

 

[Brainonska511]

lololololololololololololololol

establishment Dem cultists don't exist in reality, because that is the only way one can defend those corrupt shitheads.

It's not about defending anyone.

If you're going to endlessly doom on everything, well, either go to therapy or start prepping, because you've already given up. Sad.

 

[MrSquished]

It's not about defending anyone.

If you're going to endlessly doom on everything, well, either go to therapy or start prepping, because you've already given up. Sad.

look at you projecting things that never happened so you can support the cult while making up your own reality.

Where have I given up? Feel free to quote anything I've said that implies anything even remotely close to that.

 

[HomerJS]

We are under a full fascist dictatorship.

 

[Jaskalas]

Do you know how many places there are to vote in this country?

You don't understand the electoral collage at all then.
A handful of swing states determine the outcome of the election.
NOTHING else matters except those locations.

And if thousands of armed Nazis are controlling the streets of a major city, blocking, harassing, terrorizing, harming, and shooting the locals... for months. Or even for years by the time Nov 2028 comes around. You think that won't suppress the 7-15 thousand people it takes to swing that state, and the election?

 

[Brainonska511]

You don't understand the electoral collage at all then.
A handful of swing states determine the outcome of the election.
NOTHING else matters except those locations.

And if thousands of armed Nazis are controlling the streets of a major city, blocking, harassing, terrorizing, harming, and shooting the locals... for months. Or even for years by the time Nov 2028 comes around. You think that won't suppress the 7-15 thousand people it takes to swing that state, and the election?

Electoral college is for presidential elections only. There is a midterm election that could be much more damaging to Trump.

And if you think legitimacy is gone and outright vote tampering is going to be the norm, well, you better start gearing up for outsider actions.

The Trump administration's actions reek more of desperation than of strength. Republicans not running for re-election en masse is not a sign that they think they're going to hold power.

There are no guarantees, but dooming about the future and giving up in advance is about the worst way to proceed.

 

[MrSquished]

Electoral college is for presidential elections only. There is a midterm election that could be much more damaging to Trump.

And if you think legitimacy is gone and outright vote tampering is going to be the norm, well, you better start gearing up for outsider actions.

The Trump administration's actions reek more of desperation than of strength. Republicans not running for re-election en masse is not a sign that they think they're going to hold power.

There are no guarantees, but dooming about the future and giving up in advance is about the worst way to proceed.

I think one of the main actions that needs to be taken now, among others, is to hold this shitty, inept, corrupt, and feckless Dem party accountable so we can get an actual competent opposition party going, while we also stand up to these Nazis in other ways too.

But you are completely against one of the most important things we need to do right now. Because you are in a Dem establishment cult.

 

[ivwshane]

I think one of the main actions that needs to be taken now, among others, is to hold this shitty, inept, corrupt, and feckless Dem party accountable so we can get an actual competent opposition party going, while we also stand up to these Nazis in other ways too.

But you are completely against one of the most important things we need to do right now. Because you are in a Dem establishment cult.

If we have the power to hold Dems to account then surely we can do the same with republicans as well. So why not both?

We are where we are not because we have the exact strongman our forefathers warned about, we are where we are because the electorate has voted for people who have given trump free rein. The solution requires an effective grass roots campaign and a thorough vetting of the replacement politicians (otherwise we ire fettermans and sinemas) at every elected position in the country. The country is rotting and it’s not just the head that’s rotten.

 

[MrSquished]

If we have the power to hold Dems to account then surely we can do the same with republicans as well. So why not both?

We are where we are not because we have the exact strongman our forefathers warned about, we are where we are because the electorate has voted for people who have given trump free rein. The solution requires an effective grass roots campaign and a thorough vetting of the replacement politicians (otherwise we ire fettermans and sinemas) at every elected position in the country. The country is rotting and it’s not just the head that’s rotten.

How can you say we have just as much sway with an opposition party that does not respect law as over the party we are in, have been in, donating to, and have been voting for for decades. A party YOU can control who wins in their primaries. There is no difference? Seriously?

Try saying that with a straight face and let me know how it goes

 

[ivwshane]

How can you say we have just as much sway with an opposition party that does not respect law as over the party we are in, have been in, donating to, and have been voting for for decades. A party YOU can control who wins in their primaries. There is no difference? Seriously?

Try saying that with a straight face and let me know how it goes

So by what means can we hold democrats accountable that we can’t do foot republicans?

 

[MrSquished]

So by what means can we hold democrats accountable that we can’t do foot republicans?

How do you think government works btw?

edit: key words in our system of government - REPRESENTATIVE Democracy