ICE Arrests 680+ Illegal Workers in Mississippi Food Processing Raid

[ch33zw1z]

That's a ridiculous analogy.

It works if Disney chose to employ you for years before kicking you out, and then keeping your children hostage afterwards. Oh, and putting them in jail cells too.

 

[theeedude]

Are Americans going to fill those jobs now? Or food is not going to get processed?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I'm actually proud to live in one of a handful of mandatory E-Verify states (Mississippi is one) and I'm all for increasing investment in the system to address its flaws and enforcement against companies that knowingly sidestep the program. I think more states should adopt mandatory E-Verify (not just for government employment or contractors) along with guest worker programs to get more LEGAL workers where needed.

If E-Verify had worked as intended, there wouldn't be a need for workplace raids and the unnecessary cruelty to families.

Data shows that E-Verify has three very positive outcomes:

1) It reduces average wages for unauthorized workers
2) It increases wages and participation rates for LEGAL Mexican immigrants and native-born Hispanics
3) It reduces the numbers of under-educated illegal immigrants living in a state (some move to other states; others leave the country)

Sources:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/soej.12023
https://izajodm.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40176-016-0053-3

Imagine what it could do when it actually works as intended and gets backed by a federal mandate? Screw building the wall--fix E-Verify first!

This.

And one thing I want to stress that I hate is the bullshit narrative of "Americans wouldn't do that work anyway!" - It's a bullshit line from bullshit people that are basically being mind-controlled from corporations that are grinning at your stupidity and lining their pockets with money from you.

The fact is the market determines the rates for these jobs. If people won't do them, then they need to increase the pay for it. But if you can extort hundreds of illegals that are desperate for anything - it's easy to see why they did that, it's chrony capitalism at its finest. Shitheads that want to undercut and not play by the rules and pay below what a job is worth.

No, after increasing the pay it won't make meat prices so insane that a chicken breast costs $20/lb. It would be a matter of cents and you wouldn't notice a damn difference.

 

[soundforbjt]

Start puting the owners of these businesses in jail for 30 days per employee + fines and they'll stop. Fines alone don't work because the money they save by hiring them more than pays for the fines if any are levied.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm actually proud to live in one of a handful of mandatory E-Verify states (Mississippi is one) and I'm all for increasing investment in the system to address its flaws and enforcement against companies that knowingly sidestep the program. I think more states should adopt mandatory E-Verify (not just for government employment or contractors) along with guest worker programs to get more LEGAL workers where needed.

If E-Verify had worked as intended, there wouldn't be a need for workplace raids and the unnecessary cruelty to families.

Data shows that E-Verify has three very positive outcomes:

1) It reduces average wages for unauthorized workers
2) It increases wages and participation rates for LEGAL Mexican immigrants and native-born Hispanics
3) It reduces the numbers of under-educated illegal immigrants living in a state (some move to other states; others leave the country)

Sources:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/soej.12023
https://izajodm.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40176-016-0053-3

Imagine what it could do when it actually works as intended and gets backed by a federal mandate? Screw building the wall--fix E-Verify first!

Yeh, fuck those 8M undocumented workers who've lived here ten years or more. Fuck their families & their American citizen children. Fuck the communities where they live, too.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Yeh, fuck those 8M undocumented workers who've lived here ten years or more. Fuck their families & their American citizen children. Fuck the communities where they live, too.

So lets extort them and pay them below the market rate (probably far below what you think) and potentially avoid taxes? SOUNDS GREAT!

 

[trenchfoot]

Waiting to hear about the flood of American citizens looking to fill those jobs that were vacated by the arrests.

Is this what Trump meant by bringing jobs back to America?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Waiting to hear about the flood of American citizens looking to fill those jobs that were vacated by the arrests.

Is this what Trump meant by bringing jobs back to America?

Money, meet mouth. *Grabs popcorn*

 

[ch33zw1z]

So lets extort them and pay them below the market rate (probably far below what you think) and potentially avoid taxes? SOUNDS GREAT!

Or give them amnesty to get them on the books and legally live the life they're already here living, lean harder on employers than ever before

 

[PJFrylar]

Federal prison for hiring off the books or for not initiating a full investigation while hiring a guy to clean toilets?
Neat

Well, that's the actual solution.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Or give them amnesty to get them on the books and legally live the life they're already here living, lean harder on employers than ever before

And if you read the thread, plenty here are generally for that.

Personally, I'll take the position that my wife mentioned to me (who is an immigrant herself) - Basically any illegals can live and work in the country as well as register without fear of deportion.

However -
1. In addition to normal taxation, they will also pay a penalty tax on any and all wages (we can debate the amount) as an illegal immigrant
2. Any crime of substantial amount (again, we can debate this level) will result in deportation
3. If you do not register within a reasonable amount of time (again, we can debate this amount), you will be deported
4. Legal americans will always have priority in hiring for a position
5. You will never be legalized as an American. If you want to be a citizen, you must leave the country and apply like other legals have. (I also vote for SUBSTANTIALLY increasing our legal immigrant process/flow to quicken the process)
6. For this luxury, you will not be deported or arrested for your entire time in which you choose to stay here

 

[IronWing]

Well, that's the actual solution.

Another solution is strict, joint, and several liability for employers of illegal immigrants for all socialized costs of having illegal immigrants in their county or state. The local hospital ER raked up $4 million in unpaid bills for treating undocumented workers? Here's your bill, Ms Poultry Plant Owner. Here's your bills, Mr. Home Builder, Mr. Nursing Home Owner, Ms Hiring Folks Outside of Homeowner Hell for a Bit of Yard Work.

 

[PJFrylar]

Another solution is strict, joint, and several liability for employers of illegal immigrants for all socialized costs of having illegal immigrants in their county or state. The local hospital ER raked up $4 million in unpaid bills for treating undocumented workers? Here's your bill, Ms Poultry Plant Owner. Here's your bills, Mr. Home Builder, Mr. Nursing Home Owner, Ms Hiring Folks Outside of Homeowner Hell for a Bit of Yard Work.

My god, it's like holding the businesses accountable instead of the poor folk trying to make a buck might make more of a difference. You know, cuz the world is short of poor people trying to make a buck.

 

[ch33zw1z]

And if you read the thread, plenty here are generally for that.

Personally, I'll take the position that my wife mentioned to me (who is an immigrant herself) - Basically any illegals can live and work in the country as well as register without fear of deportion.

Amnesty or I'm not agreeing pretty much

However -

1. In addition to normal taxation, they will also pay a penalty tax on any and all wages (we can debate the amount) as an illegal immigrant

Nope, disagree. Additional taxes should fall to the employer for choosing them

2. Any crime of substantial amount (again, we can debate this level) will result in deportation

I may or may not agree because this is presented subjectively

3. If you do not register within a reasonable amount of time (again, we can debate this amount), you will be deported

Lots of stick, little carrot based on your other requirements

4. Legal americans will always have priority in hiring for a position

Again, put the onus on the employer, see #1

5. You will never be legalized as an American. If you want to be a citizen, you must leave the country and apply like other legals have. (I also vote for SUBSTANTIALLY increasing our legal immigrant process/flow to quicken the process)

In lieu of amnesty, possibly, but only if they do t have to leave, the process is actually eased, and they can continue to live and work during the process

6. For this luxury, you will not be deported or arrested for your entire time in which you choose to stay here

Haha, well we can sorta agree on this, again is subjectively phrased.

Overall, immigrants come here for the opportunity. The onus is on employers to follow the rules or pay the price.

 

[BoomerD]

Yeh, fuck those 8M undocumented workers who've lived here ten years or more. Fuck their families & their American citizen children. Fuck the communities where they live, too.

Exactly. Round them ALL up and ship them back. Confiscate and sell their belongings to help pay for the social costs they've "stolen" while they were here. The US government could become the biggest Craigslist seller ever...

No "path to citizenship" for lawbreaking illegal immigrants unless they leave the country and apply for entrance first. If they have anchor baby children...sorry, that's on them. (something that needs to be fixed in the 14th since there was no "illegal" immigration when it was written)

 

[Jhhnn]

So lets extort them and pay them below the market rate (probably far below what you think) and potentially avoid taxes? SOUNDS GREAT!

So dishonest. Strict enforcement of E-verify would deny them the ability to make a living at all in this country.

 

[Jhhnn]

So lets extort them and pay them below the market rate (probably far below what you think) and potentially avoid taxes? SOUNDS GREAT!

So dishonest. Strict enforcement of E-verify would deny them the ability to make a living at all in this country.

 

[BoomerD]

So dishonest. Strict enforcement of E-verify would deny them the ability to make a living at all in this country.

Good...maybe they'll stop coming here.

 

[UNCjigga]

Yeh, fuck those 8M undocumented workers who've lived here ten years or more. Fuck their families & their American citizen children. Fuck the communities where they live, too.

That’s why we should’ve enacted a permanent fix for DACA 3-4 years ago. I’m all for giving Dreamers work visas and a permanent path to citizenship. But I also want to slow the flow of illegals and improve wages for those working here legally.

 

[IronWing]

Exactly. Round them ALL up and ship them back. Confiscate and sell their belongings to help pay for the social costs they've "stolen" while they were here. The US government could become the biggest Craigslist seller ever...

No "path to citizenship" for lawbreaking illegal immigrants unless they leave the country and apply for entrance first. If they have anchor baby children...sorry, that's on them. (something that needs to be fixed in the 14th since there was no "illegal" immigration when it was written)

The immigrants didn't steal shit; the employers did. Every socialized cost was a cost that would have been borne by the employers had they obeyed the law.

"Anchor babies" are your fellow citizens by the exact same criteria under which you got to be a citizen.

 

[BoomerD]

The immigrants didn't steal shit; the employers did. Every socialized cost was a cost that would have been borne by the employers had they obeyed the law.

"Anchor babies" are your fellow citizens by the exact same criteria under which you got to be a citizen.

Anchor babies are the American-born children of illegal immigrant parents...not legal immigrants, not citizens. The 14th should be amended to state that birthright citizenship be available (not automatic) only to children born to parents who are in the country legally...and having an anchor baby citizen should NOT prevent the illegal immigrant parents from being deported.

 

[thilanliyan]

(something that needs to be fixed in the 14th since there was no "illegal" immigration when it was written)

Not possible. Constitution was written in stone so can't be changed. Kinda like the 2A...even though it was muskets and not ARs when it was written, nothing can be changed now.

 

[IronWing]

Anchor babies are the American-born children of illegal immigrant parents...not legal immigrants, not citizens. The 14th should be amended to state that birthright citizenship be available (not automatic) only to children born to parents who are in the country legally...and having an anchor baby citizen should NOT prevent the illegal immigrant parents from being deported.

Nah, I like birthright citizenship just the way it is, thank you. We don't need to become another Japan where ethnic Koreans have lived there for centuries but can't get citizenship because of reasons.

 

[Jhhnn]

Exactly. Round them ALL up and ship them back. Confiscate and sell their belongings to help pay for the social costs they've "stolen" while they were here. The US government could become the biggest Craigslist seller ever...

No "path to citizenship" for lawbreaking illegal immigrants unless they leave the country and apply for entrance first. If they have anchor baby children...sorry, that's on them. (something that needs to be fixed in the 14th since there was no "illegal" immigration when it was written)

That ridiculous fantasy really gets you chubby, huh?

 

[UNCjigga]

So dishonest. Strict enforcement of E-verify would deny them the ability to make a living at all in this country.

Not all of them. As long as you pass the DREAM Act and improve guest worker programs, you’ll provide employment for those who came here as kids (no fault of their own) and temporary/seasonal workers who don't intend to live here permanently. As for the rest who don't qualify for jobs--that's the whole point. Deny them a living here and they return home.

 

[UNCjigga]

Anchor babies are the American-born children of illegal immigrant parents...not legal immigrants, not citizens.

250ish years of Constitutional law would disagree with you. Ending birthright citizenship is fundamentally unamerican.