ICE Arrests 680+ Illegal Workers in Mississippi Food Processing Raid

[Greenman]

Is that sincerely all it takes to wash your hands of any and all liability? That's fucking nuts.

At minimal they should obtain warrants and raid the management based offices for evidence as well.

It's not nuts at all. It's unreasonable to expect an employer to do an in depth background check on every new hire. So the system is set up in such a way that if you follow the rules you don't get fined to death if an employee turns out to be illegal with fake papers. It happened to me.

 

[Jaskalas]

Working people staying out of trouble and paying taxes (assuming they're paying taxes) is not where I think ICE should be focusing its efforts. I'd rather see people like this have a proper and realistic path to citizenship or legal residency.

Yes, those who have lived here for more than a year and not otherwise engaged in criminal activity should be given the option to assimilate.

The idea that millions of them will ever be deported is a ludicrous fantasy. Pragmatism demands we make peace with a community that is never going away. If we want to stop immigration we must look to the border, and/or stop and catch people a lot sooner than this. Before they make lives here. Before they have children here. Before we rip apart and damage communities.

 

[SlowSpyder]

It's a form of terrorism.

Enforcing a law that makes sense is not terrorism. If a law isn't enforced, it isn't a law. We certainly should be more focused on criminal elements than people that are not getting in trouble though.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think this is great and exactly exactly what america needs. Coal miners should be able to handle food processing.

 

[SlowSpyder]

How about they crush the employers, not the workers. Most of these people had families. Kids were left with no one to pick them up from school, came home to empty houses etc... The community had to rally together to help these kids by taking them to a local gym so they could be sheltered and cared for.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1159378489159704576

It is sad that parents would create this situation in the first place.

 

[pauldun170]

Common flow

1. Immigrant legally enters the country.
2. Immigrant gets job.
3. Immigrants status changes while working for company.

Normally, follow up is that Immigrant is in the middle of bureaucracy trying to navigate the system while still maintaining work schedule.

Is the company responsible for monitoring the federal immigration status of an employee?

If an applicant has a valid state ID, credit history and address and passes the background check and whatever e-verify crap thats being imposes....are prospective employers supposed to also do what exactly?

 

[PJFrylar]

Sounds to me like the owner and all of those responsible for hiring should be jailed.

 

[Jhhnn]

It is sad that parents would create this situation in the first place.

It's sad that the kids are subjected to a form of terrorism.

 

[pauldun170]

Sounds to me like the owner and all of those responsible for hiring should be jailed.

Federal prison for hiring off the books or for not initiating a full investigation while hiring a guy to clean toilets?
Neat

 

[Jaskalas]

Enforcing a law that makes sense is not terrorism.

Are you trying to argue technicalities? You claim to agree in principle that what occurred is bad, but then you seem to flatly accept and defend it.

Can you feel their pain and terror? Normal, healthy, people can and do.

Empathy means reading the following article and becoming angry over it. And we aren't hashing out technicalities when we are upset. No, instead we demand action to "help" these people in pain. To stop these bad things from happening. To protect our fellow human beings. If you don't have to stop yourself from seething over this one....

Iraqi man dies after Trump administration deports him

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The man, Jimmy Aldaoud, spent most of his life in the U.S., but was swept up in President Donald Trump’s intensified immigration enforcement efforts. ​

 

[SlowSpyder]

It's sad that the kids are subjected to a form of terrorism.

Please tell me how this is terrorism. I'm all ears. I don't think it should necessarily be the area of focus, but it certainly is NOT terrorism.

 

[soundforbjt]

Please tell me how this is terrorism. I'm all ears. I don't think it should necessarily be the area of focus, but it certainly is NOT terrorism.

If your family was kidnapped, would you feel terrorized?

 

[MrSquished]

The cruelty is the point

 

[SlowSpyder]

If your family was kidnapped, would you feel terrorized?

If they were kidnapped, yea, that'd be tough. If they were legally detained for breaking a well established law, like any other arrest, I'd be upset that my family member created that situation.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

It's not nuts at all. It's unreasonable to expect an employer to do an in depth background check on every new hire. So the system is set up in such a way that if you follow the rules you don't get fined to death if an employee turns out to be illegal with fake papers. It happened to me.

1 or 2 illegals is understandable. Hell, I'll even stretch and say maybe a handful.

680 means you knew it full well and were (if anything) the one supplying the workers with Social security numbers to use.

You're fucking insane if you think employing that many illegals is just an "oopsie"

 

[soundforbjt]

If they were kidnapped, yea, that'd be tough. If they were legally detained for breaking a well established law, like any other arrest, I'd be upset that my family member created that situation.

Now, how would feel if you were the child and couldn't understand?

 

[ch33zw1z]

1 or 2 illegals is understandable. Hell, I'll even stretch and say maybe a handful.

680 means you knew it full well and were (if anything) the one supplying the workers with Social security numbers to use.

You're fucking insane if you think employing that many illegals is just an "oopsie"

Just can't punish the jerb creators, why do you hate America?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Now, how would feel if you were the child and couldn't understand?

Yea, it is really unfortunate all around, and as I said earlier, I'm not convinced this is where our area of focus should be necessarily. BUT, I do understand the need to enforce the law, otherwise it isn't really a law at all. Food for thought maybe... If your family snuck into Disney Land without tickets, if security caught you and kicked you out, whose fault is it? Disney Land's or your parents?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Just can't punish the jerb creators, why do you hate America?

Quit with the retarded sarcasm. You used to make much more intellectual posts and points. It's sad to see folks that I had respect for going down the shitter with the rest of the deplorable lefties here that can only ever make 1-2 sentence posts.

 

[HomerJS]

Enforcing a law that makes sense is not terrorism. If a law isn't enforced, it isn't a law. We certainly should be more focused on criminal elements than people that are not getting in trouble though.

Wait a second, I though pure motives were required to enforce the law? That is what you claimed. You can't enforce that law because its politically motivated.

 

[Jhhnn]

Please tell me how this is terrorism. I'm all ears. I don't think it should necessarily be the area of focus, but it certainly is NOT terrorism.

Of course it's terrorism. It works on the same principle as bombing a market. Kill a few to strike fear in the hearts of millions. It solves nothing.

 

[brycejones]

It's not nuts at all. It's unreasonable to expect an employer to do an in depth background check on every new hire. So the system is set up in such a way that if you follow the rules you don't get fined to death if an employee turns out to be illegal with fake papers. It happened to me.

Every position at my company requires a full back ground check. It’s part of the hiring process because of the industry we work in and we are only 130 employees. It’s possible to do it and part of the cost of doing business. My last company (fortune 100 company) with 40000 employees had the same policy.

 

[UNCjigga]

I'm actually proud to live in one of a handful of mandatory E-Verify states (Mississippi is one) and I'm all for increasing investment in the system to address its flaws and enforcement against companies that knowingly sidestep the program. I think more states should adopt mandatory E-Verify (not just for government employment or contractors) along with guest worker programs to get more LEGAL workers where needed.

If E-Verify had worked as intended, there wouldn't be a need for workplace raids and the unnecessary cruelty to families.

Data shows that E-Verify has three very positive outcomes:

1) It reduces average wages for unauthorized workers
2) It increases wages and participation rates for LEGAL Mexican immigrants and native-born Hispanics
3) It reduces the numbers of under-educated illegal immigrants living in a state (some move to other states; others leave the country)

Sources:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/soej.12023
https://izajodm.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40176-016-0053-3

Imagine what it could do when it actually works as intended and gets backed by a federal mandate? Screw building the wall--fix E-Verify first!

 

[ch33zw1z]

Quit with the retarded sarcasm. You used to make much more intellectual posts and points. It's sad to see folks that I had respect for going down the shitter with the rest of the deplorable lefties here that can only ever make 1-2 sentence posts.

I'll post how I like. The retarded sarcasm is exactly what you'll be met with in the end....except it wont be sarcasm, just retarded.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yea, it is really unfortunate all around, and as I said earlier, I'm not convinced this is where our area of focus should be necessarily. BUT, I do understand the need to enforce the law, otherwise it isn't really a law at all. Food for thought maybe... If your family snuck into Disney Land without tickets, if security caught you and kicked you out, whose fault is it? Disney Land's or your parents?

That's a ridiculous analogy.