I was Suckered...Again

[Zebo]

<<
Hmm, maybe there is "something wrong" with your iMac if it crashes all the time? >>



Thats what I've been tring to tell everyone.
Ok so what OS's is your office Macs running? Perhaps the slowness problem lies in OSX ; like the article said and kgreame(a apple develorer said). Would you suggest trying OS 9? Will all those mutimedia tools run on os 9?

Perhaps the keyboad not working sometimes (yes i checked the USB connection) is due to OsX also?
How about the monitor which flashes on and off once the machine gets warm? Will Os 9 fix that?
And no cd buring? Is that cause the media is bad? Or another osx probelm?

 

[thraashman]

hmm, I'm wondering what some of you are doing to have problems in XP. I'm using a Athlon XP 1500, 256 Crucial DDR, running XP pro, and have been since before the oficial XP release date (got a free copy from MS, and yes it's legit). So that's at least 6 months or more I've been running XP. System is on 24/7 usually running multiple tasks, and I've never, not even once seen XP crash. XP is the most stable OS I've ever used, my only complaint is a lack of compatibility with some older softwares.

Edit: if you want a few more specs on the system I'll list them, but I figured the basics were all that's important.

 

[kgraeme]

<<

<<
Hmm, maybe there is "something wrong" with your iMac if it crashes all the time? >>



Thats what I've been tring to tell everyone.
Ok so what OS's is your office Macs running? Perhaps the slowness problem lies in OSX ; like the article said and kgreame(a apple develorer said). Would you suggest trying OS 9? Will all those mutimedia tools run on os 9? >>



I personally still run OS 9 on my Mac at work. Three reasons:

1. Lack of software. Photoshop is finally out, but I'm still waiting for at least Dreamweaver and Fireworks.
2. Lack of ram. I "only" have 128MB right now, but I run email, browser, photoshop, dreamweaver, fireworks, itunes, bbedit and maybe a few others simultaneously. With OS X I would need 256 to 512 just to have the same "snappiness" with just OS.
3. Lack of polish. It bothers me to read discussions about how in some instances a file copy can flake out and delete the source and not create the copy. Or that permissions can hose some files making them hard to trash without resorting to futzy tools or the command line to chmod.

OS X will get better, but it needs a lot of work still. And much of what is there appears to be designed for hardware specs that aren't common or don't exist yet. 1GB of ram just to be comfortable? And the graphics architecture is brilliant except for the fact that no GPU is capable of accelerating it yet.



<< Perhaps the keyboad not working sometimes (yes i checked the USB connection) is due to OsX also?
How about the monitor which flashes on and off once the machine gets warm? Will Os 9 fix that?
And no cd buring? Is that cause the media is bad? Or another osx probelm? >>



I have been having similar USB problems lately with my Mac running OS 9. Replugging the device usually wakes it back up, but it is annoying. CD burning problems don't surprise me. I haven't been keeping tabs, but I think the burning software doesn't actually support "Burn-Proof" features of modern cdrw drives. Don't quote me on that though. As for the monitor flashing problem, it rings some bells of something I may have read at Macintouch.

 

[RGN]

<<
Thats what I've been tring to tell everyone.
Ok so what OS's is your office Macs running? Perhaps the slowness problem lies in OSX ; like the article said and kgreame(a apple develorer said). Would you suggest trying OS 9? Will all those mutimedia tools run on os 9?

Perhaps the keyboad not working sometimes (yes i checked the USB connection) is due to OsX also?
How about the monitor which flashes on and off once the machine gets warm? Will Os 9 fix that?
And no cd buring? Is that cause the media is bad? Or another osx probelm? >>




2 Are running OSX, the others are on 8.6 and 9. Most of the multimedia tools are available for OS9, I think iPics (or whatever) is not OS9 happy.
I have not seen USB problems on _any_ of our macs. The monitor sounds like it is bad... I don't have an answer fo rhte CD burning, it sounds like an OSX thing, but look for software patches, they might be out there.

 

[dude8604]

I repeat:



<< How about the solution to everything (or at least almost everything ): Install Linux!!! (I don't use Linux, but it would be a good use for a MAC). >>

 

[StageLeft]

The thing is a POS. The experience carbonyl had was mirrored in the article linked well below.

Further more there is the fact that the damn thing won't run nearly as much stuff as a windows computer. What's the point?

 

[element]

RGN for a Mac zealot, I don't see why you don't use one at home? Maybe its because you don't think its worth your hard earned money?

That would be hypocrisy wouldn't it?

 

[GooberPHX420]

<< What kind of crazy peeps do we have here? Dude, I feel sorry for you now....
Anyway, to illustrate my point, I'd offer to trade you straight up my XP1800+ box...
XP1800+
AMD760
512 MB Crucial DDR
WD 60GB
GF3 ti200
SBlive
12x10x32
DVD
10/100
Evercase
XP Pro legit
You won't take it, but the offer stands. >>



ROFL - carbonyl, I think you should trade with Special officer Doofy here. Give him that lame ass POS just to watch him cry about it. AHHAHA

 

[LordMaul]

<< ROFL - carbonyl, I think you should trade with Special officer Doofy here. Give him that lame ass POS just to watch him cry about it. AHHAHA >>




HEY fscktard! That's my computer he's talking about there. I told him to say that. You got a problem with it? I to graphics design and some web building in my spare time, and I'd give up my computer for a brand new IMac. Why don't you get some sort of clue? You seem to like talking out of your asshole when you have NO idea what you're talking about. Jumping on the bandwagon and going with the crowd. Have you ever used one of these new iMacs in their better uses? I highly doubt it. Get a clue and a brain cell. I hear they sell them at Burger King, 2-for-1.




<< RGN for a Mac zealot, I don't see why you don't use one at home? Maybe its because you don't think its worth your hard earned money?

That would be hypocrisy wouldn't it? >>



Ever think that Macs may be fairly expensive? Ever think that maybe Macs are not as interesting to some poeple? Ever even pull your head out of your ass and realize not EVERYONE needs a $2,000 computer? It's NOT crap. It's a bit expensive, but it's a NICE computer. Not everyone needs something like a Mac, but that DOESN'T make it a piece of junk.

 

[RGN]

<< RGN for a Mac zealot, I don't see why you don't use one at home? Maybe its because you don't think its worth your hard earned money?

That would be hypocrisy wouldn't it? >>



Maybe its because in the last few months ( since the iMac's release) I've bought parts for 3 PC's (my own) and a new laptop + accessories and really don't need one?

For an asshole, your not too bright, oh wait, what am I saying...

 

[GooberPHX420]

LOL maul, I never said anything bad about that setup, I said he should trade your comp setup for the POS MAC, just so RGN could cry about it, ur comps seems just fine to me

 

[GooberPHX420]

wow maul, I finished reading you statement towards me, and that was pretty ghey what you said. Why would you insult me? THE VAST MAJORITY OF MACS SUCK AT 90% OF EVERYTHING.

>>Have you ever used one of these new iMacs in their better uses?<<

Better uses? yeah I'll give ya a dollar if you can list 3. K thanx. now STFU

 

[RGN]

<< LOL maul, I never said anything bad about that setup, I said he should trade your comp setup for the POS MAC, just so RGN could cry about it, ur comps seems just fine to me >>



goober, I would not cry about it. I stated earlier in the thread that I would buy one, but have other priorities (race car, car computer, etc.)

 

[LordMaul]

<< wow maul, I finished reading you statement towards me, and that was pretty ghey what you said. Why would you insult me? THE VAST MAJORITY OF MACS SUCK AT 90% OF EVERYTHING.

>>Have you ever used one of these new iMacs in their better uses?<<

Better uses? yeah I'll give ya a dollar if you can list 3. K thanx. now STFU >>



1. Graphics Design

2. Movie Editing

3. Runs UNIX and looks/feels great

Others:

4. Insanely nice screen

5. It's small, looks cooler than a un-modded PC, is quiet

6. Keeps it's value

I could go on. I didn't think you would try and hold me to that. Now go find your 12-year-old ass a girlfriend to whine about and quit making a fool of yourself over something you obviously have NO experience in.

As you so elegantly put it, "k thanks now STFU".

 

[LordMaul]

<< yeah I'll give ya a dollar if you can list 3. >>



BTW< where's my dollar? PM me for my PayPal info. I'll be expecting it within the hour.

 

[GooberPHX420]

Uhh Im sorry but that is absolutely stupid. if you're gonna be fair about this, lets put it dollar for dollar. You can completely exclude capabilities #1 and #2 because with $1800 to spend, you can build one motherfvcker of a PC to piss all over that MAC. Graphics and all.

Sorry, nearly all of your answer are excluded. we will give you ONE for *nix applications. Oh yeah, and we need to EXCLUDE "keeps its value" because only the stupid people buy old used macs, thus its like selling a spoon to a retard. if its flashy and pretty, any tard will buy it.

Now the tard wants to use his spoon on u. Stfu again.

 

[Zebo]

<<

<< ROFL - carbonyl, I think you should trade with Special officer Doofy here. Give him that lame ass POS just to watch him cry about it. AHHAHA >>




HEY fscktard! That's my computer he's talking about there. I told him to say that. You got a problem with it? I to graphics design and some web building in my spare time, and I'd give up my computer for a brand new IMac. Why don't you get some sort of clue? You seem to like talking out of your asshole when you have NO idea what you're talking about. Jumping on the bandwagon and going with the crowd. Have you ever used one of these new iMacs in their better uses? I highly doubt it. Get a clue and a brain cell. I hear they sell them at Burger King, 2-for-1.




<< RGN for a Mac zealot, I don't see why you don't use one at home? Maybe its because you don't think its worth your hard earned money?

That would be hypocrisy wouldn't it? >>



Ever think that Macs may be fairly expensive? Ever think that maybe Macs are not as interesting to some poeple? Ever even pull your head out of your ass and realize not EVERYONE needs a $2,000 computer? It's NOT crap. It's a bit expensive, but it's a NICE computer. Not everyone needs something like a Mac, but that DOESN'T make it a piece of junk. >>



Maul- Speaking form my experiance, an apple develpolers post here and the aticles posted in here I think you would be making a terrible mistake to get involved with a Macintosh. Your Photoshop skills will be in vain if the computer is constantly "waiting" for a process to finnish and window opening and closing will be slower too,

If you want to feel what a Mac running photoshop is like go to graphics perforamance settings in Windows and turn the graphics acceleration *all the way down* and use it like that for a day... Accoring to a Pm I got OS X does not support hardware graphics acceleration. And you want to use it being the Photoshop King you are? I just don't get it 2X the price for 1/4 the performance. And no games or autocad.

 

[Zebo]

Maul---

Here is a very dtailed article from a guy who owns both platforms. Seems relativly unbiased and he has over 20 years of reviewing operating systems. And he does say Apple does digital media the best but not much else..

 

[MrHappyMonkey]

<< ...Oh yeah, and we need to EXCLUDE "keeps its value" because only the stupid people buy old used macs, thus its like selling a spoon to a retard. if its flashy and pretty, any tard will buy it... >>



Your point is not very convincing. I bought a used G3 powerbook a couple of monthes mainly becuase I could not afford the top of the line machine. How does that make me a retard? I would be a retard if I were to spend money that I don't have. Macintosh's have their uses, as does PCs. I personally run all PCs (WinXP) except for my G3 powerbook and am quite happy with it. True, they do require a bit more ram to get OSX "going", but it really isn't as bad as you make it up to be. I am a graphic designer and prefur the Mac invirement over the PC. The clarity of the LCD and colors seems to outshine my PC counterpart.

I really think you guys need to quit whining. Oviously, Carbonyl intentions of this thread were to start a "reasons why this thing sucks and why i am an idiot" thread. There are always bugs in any product. Some things just need to be worked out.

 

[Zebo]

<< Oviously, Carbonyl intentions of this thread were to start a "reasons why this thing sucks and why i am an idiot" thread. There are always bugs in any product. Some things just need to be worked out. >>



That's just BS. I have only something to loose by starting this thread. The PC side will gives me a 1 for being so stupid to buy an iMac and the Mac side gives me a 1 for bagging on thier platform.. I started it becasue there has been an unbelivable amount of hype an excitment about this new iMac and it's expectations can't even come close to being fullfilled from my experiance.. When I said "don't believe the HYPE" I meant it and am trying to inform people what a POS this expensive PC is so they won't make the same mistake as I did..

I gave it a fair chance and even looked forward to gettting my songs from the iMac to my iPod instead of using the PC I noramlly use for that. It just can't do the job the way my PC does.

 

[kgraeme]

<< Maul- Speaking form my experiance, an apple develpolers post here and the aticles posted in here I think you would be making a terrible mistake to get involved with a Macintosh. Your Photoshop skills will be in vain if the computer is constantly "waiting" for a process to finnish and window opening and closing will be slower too,
>>



I may have posted some reasons why I don't think the Mac is superior, but don't get me wrong, it still does have some fantastic points. I have not found anything comparable in ease-of-use for iTunes, iMovie and iDVD. And the high-end offerings are really nice too. Tools such as FinalCut Pro and DVD Studio are quite nice. Personally, they aren't fully mature yet, but they are damn close to being just as good as other professional offerings and have excellent features lacking in other tools.

Even many third-party tools work better IMHO on the Mac. Much of that is because of the OS user interface. The palette environment of photoshop seems to work better on the Mac. And many graphics oriented tools look better because the underlying graphics architecture, even in pre-OS X systems, has about 10 years of advancement over Windows. Remember, Mac users were running in 24-bit color back when many PCs were still running DOS.

My feeling is that OS X was released by the marketing department well before the engineers were ready to release it. Also, there are obvious factions within Apple about the direction the OS needs to go. Look at the mandatory hidden filename extensions at the expense of more robust metadata as an example. And as for hardware, it has always been more expensive and since it is so tied to the OS, even replacing a "standard" component such as a CDRW requires some careful investigation os system incompatabilities.

Ultimately, if you are happy with a Windows box there is little benefit IMHO that the Mac can offer. A Windows machine is cheaper, runs nicely with lower system requirements (compared to OS X), has more software (though not some key Apple offerings mentioned above), and has equaled or surpassed the Mac in ease of use in many cases. That's not to say "Mac sucks", but in a cost-benefit analysis it has a lot harder time measuring up.

 

[Magicthyse]

I don't know what the problem is. I've got an iBook and a Powerbook and am extremely happy with them. My girlfriend has the new iMac (with 512MB RAM) and I played about with it for a while. I really like it. It's grown on me. I'd like to get one but I don't think I have the room. Once again, I don't see the problem.

One of the speed issues is the RAM. The Mac is much more dependent on RAM than PC. Drop some in and you should start seeing major speed increases. 128MB ain't enough. 256 is barely OK.

Half the Apple naysayers here seem to have missed the point of the Mac. The point is design. And the fact that you don't need to be a techno-whizz in order to do your work. That's what non-IT people do. Work on their computers, not fiddle with them. Okaaay? For many people, the extra speed that you may get on an equivalent PC doesn't equate to extra productivity because they're always misclicking stuff or scratching their heads at another GPF. And sure, not every design is a hit (previous mouse... uuurgh) but it is always different. And like something that's designed and built differently, it costs more.

The thing I will say is that you do have to throw money at a Mac to get it to work the way you want it to. Once it's done, it's far better than most equivalent PC solutions - but it's not for the financially constrained individual or company.

AS for me, I'll simply choose the best tool for the job. For general working on the move - even to PC-centric networks - the portable Macs kick ass. Things which my office VAIO GR215MP gives me incredible headaches over, the Powerbook does without making me break into a sweat. The techs have had some problems getting Timbuktu to work between the office and the Powerbook, but when it works it solves all my remote access/PC compatibility problems. 'Dave' solves my internetworking issues even if locations I go to hasn't got a NT/Win2K Server with Apple Services installed.

And when it comes to it, 95% of my working time is with Outlook, IE, Excel and Word - which have excellent Mac equivalents.

The iMac, when configured with function in mind, not a budget, is perfect for the non-technical home. The tower Macs are perfect for their intended market.
And just because you're a geek doesn't mean you have to force geekdom on your kids. Bwahahahahaha.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

And just because you're a geek doesn't mean you have to force geekdom on your kids. Bwahahahahaha.

Well that's where you, sir, are just wrong.

 

[absolutiza]

dude... those new Apple store... they got some goo dstuff in there.

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< wow maul, I finished reading you statement towards me, and that was pretty ghey what you said. Why would you insult me? THE VAST MAJORITY OF MACS SUCK AT 90% OF EVERYTHING.

>>Have you ever used one of these new iMacs in their better uses?<<

Better uses? yeah I'll give ya a dollar if you can list 3. K thanx. now STFU >>



1. Network administration. And I dont mean that "ghey" (what a kiddiot word) Windows crap. I mean the hardcore UNIX network. Try adminning one of those from a Windows machine without downloading third party tools or using software from your OS vendor that did not come with your OS.

2. Photo editting.

3. Movie editting.

4. You get away from the old POS backwards compatibility of x86.

5. Mac OS X makes sense. I cant say the same thing about Windows.

6. Mac users will like it better than a PC.

7. Plenty of good and free software.

8. Owning a Mac makes it easier to piss off stupid x86 zealots.

9. Beautiful cases.

10. Beautiful OS in both looks and usability. The speed will get much better with 10.2 (much like 10.1 was MUCH faster) because of gcc upgrades.

11. Mac OS X has been much more stable than Win2k was for me. The Win2k problem was a hardware one, but with the "closed" platform Apple uses, the stability is mch easier to obtain.



<< Uhh Im sorry but that is absolutely stupid. if you're gonna be fair about this, lets put it dollar for dollar. You can completely exclude capabilities #1 and #2 because with $1800 to spend, you can build one motherfvcker of a PC to piss all over that MAC. Graphics and all. >>



$1800 would make a decent PC. You still have to deal with the hardware, which some people find tedious.



<< Sorry, nearly all of your answer are excluded. we will give you ONE for *nix applications. Oh yeah, and we need to EXCLUDE "keeps its value" because only the stupid people buy old used macs, thus its like selling a spoon to a retard. if its flashy and pretty, any tard will buy it. >>



Actually plenty of smart people buy old Mac hardware. Why get the latest and greatest when you dont need it?



<< Now the tard wants to use his spoon on u. Stfu again. >>



Anything else?



Mac CONS:

1. Price.

2. Driver support in OS X.

3. Mac zealots.

4. Lack of upgradability. This is not much of a problem for everyone. I dont do much more than buy new hard drives and ram. I dont need to upgrade much more.

5. Not a gaming platform. While I consider this a plus, there are plenty of people that still play games. I bought a ps2 so I could use my computer for more important things. But I will include this as a con since most people around here are gamers. To each his own (which is also how I feel about which platform you choose).

6. Mac OS X is still slow. Much like the driver issues, this is a problem. Of course, this is almost a totally new OS, so these issues need to be worked out. 10.1 was an *INCREADIBLE* leap in speed inprovements and from the benchmarks 10.2 will be too. I look forward to it.

7. It still ships with ie but not Mozilla. I dont mind having ie on my system, but it would be much easier if I didnt have to use it to download my choice of browsers.

8. "Closed" hardware platform. While I dont think this is much of a problem, some people like a *HUGE* variety in what hardware they can purchase.

9. OS can be tough for Windows people to understand. I could not figure out OS < 10 for quite a while, but I figured it out once I had the time to play with it for 10 min.


I dont think anyone should buy just one platform. What fun is life if you dont have any variety? To me, owning a PC would be like only having blondes. Yeah, they're cheap, fast, and you can play with them all you want, but without brunettes (sparc maybe) or redheads (definitely Mac, cant say why ) they just arent all that special.