I think my girlfriend is pregnant

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Also, you can't control other people's decisions when it comes to abortion, no matter how hard you try.

I can't control other people's decisiosn to murder someone, no matter how much I try. But that doesn't make it right. You see, there is something called responsibility. If you want to pretend like you're an adult and have sex, you need to grow up and take responsibility like one. Which means, if you get a girl pregnant, you need to raise that child.

Or do you think sex is just like going outside and playing ball with your friends? Just so happens that this game is between a boy and girl rather than your little league friends?

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: manowar821
Also, you can't control other people's decisions when it comes to abortion, no matter how hard you try.

I can't control other people's decisiosn to murder someone, no matter how much I try. But that doesn't make it right. You see, there is something called responsibility. If you want to pretend like you're an adult and have sex, you need to grow up and take responsibility like one. Which means, if you get a girl pregnant, you need to raise that child.

Or do you think sex is just like going outside and playing ball with your friends? Just so happens that this game is between a boy and girl rather than your little league friends?

Take it to P&N.

 

[technophile82]

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
You gotta love the immaturity of the new generation..."Hey, let's have all the casual sex we want to. If you happen to get pregnant, we'll just kill it like nothing ever happened. We won't tell your parents and we won't tell mine. Forget about the long-term where, one day, you'll conceive a child but always wonder about the one you threw away like dishwater. It's okay...anything that allows us to just get it on like animals with no recourse. Go ahead baby...do it...get the abortion. I don't want my life ruined right now."

OP, why don't you grow the fvck up and become a man. You laid down with this woman and should have known that one of the consequences of it could be pregnancy...nothing is 100% other than abstinence. Instead of being a man about it and thinking about what it would be like to look into the eyes of a child who is yours and knowing love like you've never known, you'd rather b!tch and whine about how inconveinent it would be for you to have to grow up right now. Selfish bastard.

QFT

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
You gotta love the immaturity of the new generation..."Hey, let's have all the casual sex we want to. If you happen to get pregnant, we'll just kill it like nothing ever happened. We won't tell your parents and we won't tell mine. Forget about the long-term where, one day, you'll conceive a child but always wonder about the one you threw away like dishwater. It's okay...anything that allows us to just get it on like animals with no recourse. Go ahead baby...do it...get the abortion. I don't want my life ruined right now."

OP, why don't you grow the fvck up and become a man. You laid down with this woman and should have known that one of the consequences of it could be pregnancy...nothing is 100% other than abstinence. Instead of being a man about it and thinking about what it would be like to look into the eyes of a child who is yours and knowing love like you've never known, you'd rather b!tch and whine about how inconveinent it would be for you to have to grow up right now. Selfish bastard.

I am fscking tired of continually hearing about how irresponsible and immature our generation is. Like anyone over 30 never made a mistake, bad decision, or had fate/god/whatever deal them a sh!tty hand. The op is obviously very concerned about a number of things (actually about more her than him) and understandably a little freaked out. It is amazing to think that we invented causal sex, oh wait no we didn't. It has been around since man figured out where it goes in women (many thousands of years). If anything it is our parent's generation that is to blame for the recent explosion and social acceptance of casual sex (read 60s and 70s). Get off your high horse before you fall and hurt yourself.

Abstinence education is a total waste of time since nature wins almost every time. Instead of actually addressing what is going to inevitably happen (teenagers have sex, always have and always will) lots of people prefer to stick their fingers in their ears and hum loudly in the hope it will go away all on its own. Abortion is by no means a modern invention. It has been practiced for at least a couple millenia as far as I know. We do now however have the tools to prevent pregnancy or terminate it hours after it happens which is a major step forward from previous means.

Slavery's not a modern invention either, but we know it's wrong. But maybe it's not so very wrong, if it comes from human nature. Perhaps you'd like to use the same "logic" to justify ownership of another human being.

You have free will. You can put your dick in any hole because the urge comes from nature, or you can pick and choose what risks to take with your life and someone else's. After all, it IS a baby if I want to keep it.

And the OP did take all reasonable precautions. And yet he's still terrified that his GF might be pregnant. So much for safe sex...

Nice to see the slippery slope fallacy still gets put to good use. Obviously the reintroduction of slavery is next on my agenda. Somehow I think you will find a vastly wider gap in those who think slavery is an acceptable institution compared with those who think abortion is an acceptable practice. Though slavery is condoned in a number of the major religious texts so maybe it isn't so bad.....

Teens are not typically fonts of great wisdom and perspective when it comes to these decisions. They are going to have sex, they are hormonally programed for it. This is one of the few incontrovertible facts of life.

I personally think the OP is freaking out over nothing since I doubt his GF is pregnant. I don't like how some here are dumping big loads of guilt on him from their soapboxes/high horses and taking digs against the younger generation as a whole as if they are perfect.

 

[TheFamilyMan]

Originally posted by: K1052
I am fscking tired of continually hearing about how irresponsible and immature our generation is.

It's true...why are you so tired of hearing about it? The OP is proof of the immaturity. Him and his gf took the pleasure in enjoying each other's bodies but can't take the responsibility of what could happen? Give me a ****** break.

Originally posted by: K1052
Like anyone over 30 never made a mistake, bad decision, or had fate/god/whatever deal them a sh!tty hand. The op is obviously very concerned about a number of things (actually about more her than him) and understandably a little freaked out.

I never said that a mistake couldn't happen. What I commented on was that there are ways to handle it...and the OP and his gf seem to be the type to take the "throw away the dishwater" approach and get rid of the consequence rather than standing up with a backbone.

Originally posted by: K1052
Get off your high horse before you fall and hurt yourself.

I'm not a high horse there skipper. I'm on a realistic horse...based on the OP words, he and his gf are both selfish in the way they are approaching things. "Oooooo! We can have all the sex we want and do whatever we want and just have an abortion if a baby comes along. Screw the baby! We want our life. We want to enjoy it without recourse."

Originally posted by: K1052
Instead of actually addressing what is going to inevitably happen (teenagers have sex, always have and always will) lots of people prefer to stick their fingers in their ears and hum loudly in the hope it will go away all on its own. Abortion is by no means a modern invention. It has been practiced for at least a couple millenia as far as I know. We do now however have the tools to prevent pregnancy or terminate it hours after it happens which is a major step forward from previous means.

Nice...so instead of instilling some fiber in kids these days to recognize that their actions have consequences we tell them that they don't have to worry about it because something is there to clean it up? What I hear you saying is that rather than teaching your kids to have a little forethought and think with something other than their dick you'll teach them that the tools are there to terminate pregnancy hours after it happens. Nice. Yes, I know people will have sex and it is a natural, driving desire humans have. Humans also have brains and it has been proven that the big head is much smarter than the little one.

My opinion is that if the OP wasn't man enough to accept what it means to lay down intimately with his gf and all the consequences of doing it, then maybe he shouldn't have done it. So many boys playing men these days...

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: JS80
Just don't let her wait until 3rd trimester to pull the baby's head out, crack it, and suck the insides out.

I heard if you crush them really really really hard you can sometimes find a diamond inside if you rip open the ribcage.

 

[iRONic]

Originally posted by: ballmode
ive never had a condom break...

You're doing it wrong. Try harder.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: K1052
I am fscking tired of continually hearing about how irresponsible and immature our generation is. Like anyone over 30 never made a mistake, bad decision, or had fate/god/whatever deal them a sh!tty hand. The op is obviously very concerned about a number of things (actually about more her than him) and understandably a little freaked out. It is amazing to think that we invented causal sex, oh wait no we didn't. It has been around since man figured out where it goes in women (many thousands of years). If anything it is our parent's generation that is to blame for the recent explosion and social acceptance of casual sex (read 60s and 70s). Get off your high horse before you fall and hurt yourself.

Abstinence education is a total waste of time since nature wins almost every time. Instead of actually addressing what is going to inevitably happen (teenagers have sex, always have and always will) lots of people prefer to stick their fingers in their ears and hum loudly in the hope it will go away all on its own. Abortion is by no means a modern invention. It has been practiced for at least a couple millenia as far as I know. We do now however have the tools to prevent pregnancy or terminate it hours after it happens which is a major step forward from previous means.

So... to sum up your post.

a) Perpetuating something that's bad is alright, as long as we can blame it on someone before us.

b) Thinking with desire rather than logic is far superior and should be taught. I mean, why tell people that thinking logically and weighing in consequences for actions... that's just silly.

 

[iRONic]

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
You gotta love the immaturity of the new generation..."Hey, let's have all the casual sex we want to. If you happen to get pregnant, we'll just kill it like nothing ever happened. We won't tell your parents and we won't tell mine. Forget about the long-term where, one day, you'll conceive a child but always wonder about the one you threw away like dishwater. It's okay...anything that allows us to just get it on like animals with no recourse. Go ahead baby...do it...get the abortion. I don't want my life ruined right now."

OP, why don't you grow the fvck up and become a man. You laid down with this woman and should have known that one of the consequences of it could be pregnancy...nothing is 100% other than abstinence. Instead of being a man about it and thinking about what it would be like to look into the eyes of a child who is yours and knowing love like you've never known, you'd rather b!tch and whine about how inconveinent it would be for you to have to grow up right now. Selfish bastard.

Using two forms of birth control is immature?!

 

[Quasmo]

Once my exGF stopped taking the pill for 3 days and decided not to tell me until she got really drunk (We had been active within those 3 days). That's not something you fsck around with.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: K1052
Nice to see the slippery slope fallacy still gets put to good use. Obviously the reintroduction of slavery is next on my agenda. Somehow I think you will find a vastly wider gap in those who think slavery is an acceptable institution compared with those who think abortion is an acceptable practice. Though slavery is condoned in a number of the major religious texts so maybe it isn't so bad.....

Teens are not typically fonts of great wisdom and perspective when it comes to these decisions. They are going to have sex, they are hormonally programed for it. This is one of the few incontrovertible facts of life.

I personally think the OP is freaking out over nothing since I doubt his GF is pregnant. I don't like how some here are dumping big loads of guilt on him from their soapboxes/high horses and taking digs against the younger generation as a whole as if they are perfect.

So you are perfect, and can take digs against others who aren't? No wonder you recognize a high horse when you see one. :roll:

Faulty logic is faulty logic - no matter what subject you're discussing.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: iRONic
Using two forms of birth control is immature?!

It's not birth control use being immature... it's the abstracted thought that "oh, it doesn't matter what happens to us, there's always a way out." You've seen movies and TV shows with the kid who gets in trouble and daddy bails him out, right? Same concept, but this one involves two people and a little Barry White.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: K1052
Nice to see the slippery slope fallacy still gets put to good use. Obviously the reintroduction of slavery is next on my agenda. Somehow I think you will find a vastly wider gap in those who think slavery is an acceptable institution compared with those who think abortion is an acceptable practice. Though slavery is condoned in a number of the major religious texts so maybe it isn't so bad.....

Teens are not typically fonts of great wisdom and perspective when it comes to these decisions. They are going to have sex, they are hormonally programed for it. This is one of the few incontrovertible facts of life.

I personally think the OP is freaking out over nothing since I doubt his GF is pregnant. I don't like how some here are dumping big loads of guilt on him from their soapboxes/high horses and taking digs against the younger generation as a whole as if they are perfect.

So you are perfect, and can take digs against others who aren't? No wonder you recognize a high horse when you see one. :roll:

Faulty logic is faulty logic - no matter what subject you're discussing.

No, I'm not perfect and I freely admit that I've made mistakes. 30-40-50 year olds continually looking down their noses at teenagers and 20 somethings for stuff either they did or could have just as easily done just gets on my nerves.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: K1052
Nice to see the slippery slope fallacy still gets put to good use. Obviously the reintroduction of slavery is next on my agenda. Somehow I think you will find a vastly wider gap in those who think slavery is an acceptable institution compared with those who think abortion is an acceptable practice. Though slavery is condoned in a number of the major religious texts so maybe it isn't so bad.....

Teens are not typically fonts of great wisdom and perspective when it comes to these decisions. They are going to have sex, they are hormonally programed for it. This is one of the few incontrovertible facts of life.

I personally think the OP is freaking out over nothing since I doubt his GF is pregnant. I don't like how some here are dumping big loads of guilt on him from their soapboxes/high horses and taking digs against the younger generation as a whole as if they are perfect.

So you are perfect, and can take digs against others who aren't? No wonder you recognize a high horse when you see one. :roll:

Faulty logic is faulty logic - no matter what subject you're discussing.

No, I'm not perfect and I freely admit that I've made mistakes. 30-40-50 year olds continually looking down their noses at teenagers and 20 somethings for stuff either they did or could have just as easily done just gets on my nerves.

One post is "continually"???

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: manowar821
Also, you can't control other people's decisions when it comes to abortion, no matter how hard you try.

I can't control other people's decisiosn to murder someone, no matter how much I try. But that doesn't make it right. You see, there is something called responsibility. If you want to pretend like you're an adult and have sex, you need to grow up and take responsibility like one. Which means, if you get a girl pregnant, you need to raise that child.

Or do you think sex is just like going outside and playing ball with your friends? Just so happens that this game is between a boy and girl rather than your little league friends?

Oh stop whining. You still have yet to PROVE it's murder.

You call our generation immature, but you're sure crying like a 16 year old. It's abnoxious when your kind come into threads where someone is asking for advice, and you spew out your personal and ethical beliefs.

OP, my girly had that same issue once.. It was a UTI. She doesn't use the pill, though.

I'm going to agree with two other people here, too, and say that cranberry juice and peeing afterwards are both going to help keep that kind of infection at bay.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: K1052
I am fscking tired of continually hearing about how irresponsible and immature our generation is. Like anyone over 30 never made a mistake, bad decision, or had fate/god/whatever deal them a sh!tty hand. The op is obviously very concerned about a number of things (actually about more her than him) and understandably a little freaked out. It is amazing to think that we invented causal sex, oh wait no we didn't. It has been around since man figured out where it goes in women (many thousands of years). If anything it is our parent's generation that is to blame for the recent explosion and social acceptance of casual sex (read 60s and 70s). Get off your high horse before you fall and hurt yourself.

Abstinence education is a total waste of time since nature wins almost every time. Instead of actually addressing what is going to inevitably happen (teenagers have sex, always have and always will) lots of people prefer to stick their fingers in their ears and hum loudly in the hope it will go away all on its own. Abortion is by no means a modern invention. It has been practiced for at least a couple millenia as far as I know. We do now however have the tools to prevent pregnancy or terminate it hours after it happens which is a major step forward from previous means.

So... to sum up your post.

a) Perpetuating something that's bad is alright, as long as we can blame it on someone before us.

b) Thinking with desire rather than logic is far superior and should be taught. I mean, why tell people that thinking logically and weighing in consequences for actions... that's just silly.

Well point "a" works for out politicians pretty well...

My main point was that casual sex has been around since time immemorial and will long after we are gone. The only thing that really changes is how aware society is of what is going on.

How logical are most 13-14-15 year olds you meet? You can either try to give them the information on how to have safe sex and prevent pregnancy or just ignore the problem all together (which really is what abstinence education is all about).

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Oh stop whining. You still have yet to PROVE it's murder.

You call our generation immature, but you're sure crying like a 16 year old. It's abnoxious when your kind come into threads where someone is asking for advice, and you spew out your personal and ethical beliefs.

Maybe you can tell us what else advice is supposed to be based on, genius.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: K1052
Nice to see the slippery slope fallacy still gets put to good use. Obviously the reintroduction of slavery is next on my agenda. Somehow I think you will find a vastly wider gap in those who think slavery is an acceptable institution compared with those who think abortion is an acceptable practice. Though slavery is condoned in a number of the major religious texts so maybe it isn't so bad.....

Teens are not typically fonts of great wisdom and perspective when it comes to these decisions. They are going to have sex, they are hormonally programed for it. This is one of the few incontrovertible facts of life.

I personally think the OP is freaking out over nothing since I doubt his GF is pregnant. I don't like how some here are dumping big loads of guilt on him from their soapboxes/high horses and taking digs against the younger generation as a whole as if they are perfect.

So you are perfect, and can take digs against others who aren't? No wonder you recognize a high horse when you see one. :roll:

Faulty logic is faulty logic - no matter what subject you're discussing.

No, I'm not perfect and I freely admit that I've made mistakes. 30-40-50 year olds continually looking down their noses at teenagers and 20 somethings for stuff either they did or could have just as easily done just gets on my nerves.

One post is "continually"???

No, but it is a common theme I notice all too often. I didn't pick out the poster specifically on that. His post just happened to touch the nerve.

 

[Roguestar]

http://forums.anandtech.com/categories.aspx?catid=52
TIA

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: K1052
No, I'm not perfect and I freely admit that I've made mistakes. 30-40-50 year olds continually looking down their noses at teenagers and 20 somethings for stuff either they did or could have just as easily done just gets on my nerves.

I'm 22 and I've been posting against it. Maybe it's just that my peers still haven't grown up and started to use that gray matter in their head.

Originally posted by: manowar821
You call our generation immature, but you're sure crying like a 16 year old. It's abnoxious when your kind come into threads where someone is asking for advice, and you spew out your personal and ethical beliefs.

And you do realize that it would be left at one or two posts (note, after around 80 or so were already posted with a lot of good responses as to what it most likely is) if you didn't have to also interject your opinion that happens to be contra his? But now since you have to go and also speak your mind, you're just exacerbating the problem... hey, that word rhymes with what the op could do to avoid this problem 😉.

EDIT:

Originally posted by: K1052
Well point "a" works for out politicians pretty well...

To go along with that, we all know how much we really like politicians.

Originally posted by: K1052
My main point was that casual sex has been around since time immemorial and will long after we are gone. The only thing that really changes is how aware society is of what is going on.

That it does, but many "bad" things have been going on, yet what it takes is people being unwilling to perpetuate it.

Originally posted by: K1052
How logical are most 13-14-15 year olds you meet? You can either try to give them the information on how to have safe sex and prevent pregnancy or just ignore the problem all together (which really is what abstinence education is all about).

I donno, I was pretty logical at that age. I personally look at it as poor parental upbringing. Someone who seeks momentary personal gratification over the proper logical choice is wrong... it's that simple. Using the phrase "momentary personal gratification" can also apply to a lot of other things and not only casual intercourse.

 

[iRONic]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: iRONic
Using two forms of birth control is immature?!

It's not birth control use being immature... it's the abstracted thought that "oh, it doesn't matter what happens to us, there's always a way out." You've seen movies and TV shows with the kid who gets in trouble and daddy bails him out, right? Same concept, but this one involves two people and a little Barry White.

There is no "abstacted thought" in the OP. They talked about the possible consequences, took the proper cautions they deemed appropriate, and decided what they would do if their actions resulted in an unplanned pregnancy. All-in-all a very mature way to approach the situation.

The rhetoric and hyperbole in the thread won't change those facts.

 

[skace]

Looks like Page 3 took a turn for the worst. Is this the entire soapbox brigade?

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
And you do realize that it would be left at one or two posts (note, after around 80 or so were already posted with a lot of good responses as to what it most likely is) if you didn't have to also interject your opinion that happens to be contra his? But now since you have to go and also speak your mind, you're just exacerbating the problem... hey, that word rhymes with what the op could do to avoid this problem 😉.

Yeah you shouldn't reply in a thread if you disagree with someone incase they reply back.

Sorry? That just seems like whoever gets their word in first is right or isn't to be argued with for the sake of keeping the thread clean? While I agree that ATOT isn't the place for this particular type of debate, the principle of your argument is somewhat backward.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: manowar821
Oh stop whining. You still have yet to PROVE it's murder.

You call our generation immature, but you're sure crying like a 16 year old. It's abnoxious when your kind come into threads where someone is asking for advice, and you spew out your personal and ethical beliefs.

Maybe you can tell us what else advice is supposed to be based on, genius.

Well, considering it's supposed to be useful, I'd say the advice should be based on facts and experience, instead of feelings and ethics.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: iRONic
There is no "abstacted thought" in the OP. They talked about the possible consequences, took the proper cautions they deemed appropriate, and decided what they would do if their actions resulted in an unplanned pregnancy. All-in-all a very mature way to approach the situation.

The rhetoric and hyperbole in the thread won't change those facts.

Just because an ill outcome has a premeditated solution does not make the cause mature.

EDIT:

Originally posted by: Roguestar
Yeah you shouldn't reply in a thread if you disagree with someone incase they reply back.

Sorry? That just seems like whoever gets their word in first is right or isn't to be argued with for the sake of keeping the thread clean? While I agree that ATOT isn't the place for this particular type of debate, the principle of your argument is somewhat backward.

Uhh no? He mentioned the thread being flooded with this and I said that it's partially the opposition's fault for perpetuating the debate. If it would've been left at some people going ":thumbsup:" or whatever, it wouldn't be as big as it is now. The ripple effect is strong within ATOT, my son.