I NEED VISTA DRIVERS FOR NVIDIA 8800GTX :!

[Acanthus]

LMAO, this thread is so stupid. I came in here to see why it was still alive, and the same argument from page 2 is going on.

On Jan 30th, there will be drivers, and you can walk into any store and buy vista.

That is why it says "vista ready" on the box.

Nvidia isnt out to screw anyone, jen tsen huang is in a corner somewhere with kim jong il wringing their hands and developing nukes while they dupe the american consumer into a buying a product 3 weeks early.

Really guys, get over it.

 

[gsellis]

For the record, I have seen an 8800 (running XP) for a business solution involving multiple monitors. In testing at the moment, but going to go forward any day. Vista? It took us more than a year to start getting SP2 out...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig
IT DOESN'T MATTER!! The whole crux of this thread boils down to this:

Is a version of Windows Vista legally available RIGHT NOW? Yes
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? No
Since there is no Vista driver available, is the 8800 series actually "Vista Ready"? No


That's it! No amount of squirming can change those facts.

Semantics. It's no amount of semantics. And you are dead wrong. As usual. Because OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!! The OP wouldn't have a problem if IT DIDN"T MATTER!!
Obviously.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
LMAO, this thread is so stupid. I came in here to see why it was still alive, and the same argument from page 2 is going on.

On Jan 30th, there will be drivers, and you can walk into any store and buy vista.

That is why it says "vista ready" on the box.

Nvidia isnt out to screw anyone, jen tsen huang is in a corner somewhere with kim jong il wringing their hands and developing nukes while they dupe the american consumer into a buying a product 3 weeks early.

Really guys, get over it.

But a lot of people in here want this to be true and are trying damn hard and going through a lot of postings to make it so it's true. It's the sickest thing. We'll maybe not the sickest, but there is something weird about it. In all probability, this is just one of the very few things Anti-nvidiers have to bitch about. Why? Cause they need to. Like I said, weird.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Creig
IT DOESN'T MATTER!! The whole crux of this thread boils down to this:

Is a version of Windows Vista legally available RIGHT NOW? Yes
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? No
Since there is no Vista driver available, is the 8800 series actually "Vista Ready"? No


That's it! No amount of squirming can change those facts.

Semantics. It's no amount of semantics. And you are dead wrong. As usual. Because OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!! The OP wouldn't have a problem if IT DIDN"T MATTER!!
Obviously.

There are no semantics involved. Each of my statements is 100% true. Once again I'm correct and, as usual, you're simply trying to find any kind of crack to squirm around in to try and deflect attention away from the true issue at hand simply because it shows Nvidia in a bad light.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I never said Businesses can't use an 8800. I just said you cannot provide support for a consumer level product prior to the consumer level OS release. By all means they can use it with Business edition, Graphics Card vendors just discriminate between the 2 and release drivers accordingly.

Talk about spreading FUD... :roll: There is no separate "consumer level" or "business level" driver because the 8800 is neither specifically a "consumer level" or "business level" product. The 8800 can be used on ANY version of Vista and businesses are free to use ANY version of Vista they feel is appropriate for their needs, be it Business, Ultimate or Home. The same goes for home users.

I think I'll just start repeating an earlier post until it starts to sink in with some of you.

Is a version of Windows Vista legally available RIGHT NOW? Yes
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? No
Since there is no Vista driver available, is the 8800 series actually "Vista Ready"? No

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Creig
IT DOESN'T MATTER!! The whole crux of this thread boils down to this:

Is a version of Windows Vista legally available RIGHT NOW? Yes
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? No
Since there is no Vista driver available, is the 8800 series actually "Vista Ready"? No


That's it! No amount of squirming can change those facts.

Semantics. It's no amount of semantics. And you are dead wrong. As usual. Because OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!! The OP wouldn't have a problem if IT DIDN"T MATTER!!
Obviously.

There are no semantics involved. Each of my statements is 100% true. Once again I'm correct and, as usual, you're simply trying to find any kind of crack to squirm around in to try and deflect attention away from the true issue at hand simply because it shows Nvidia in a bad light.

Squirm? Are we competing with each other here? Until January 30th, Creig, you have no leg to stand on. When Jan 30 comes around, and for whatever reason there is still no 8800 driver for Vista, then, and only then, will you have legs. Until then, I don't want to hear it. Squirm... LMAO... The reasonable consumers here, who will only buy 1 copy of Vista, (not a mandatory five through volume licensing) and own, or will own an 8800, know that things are just fine. 8800 owners are currently enjoying their cards on XP with some REAL nice performance. There are bugs in some games, but that is normal especially with a new architecture. But as you can see, Nvidia is addressing and working on this. They have just released a driver that remedies some of the probs. Not all of course, but some. And there will be more to come as per usual. So please. Cease this tantrum of yours. The level headed folks in here know things are just fine.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Squirm? Are we competing with each other here? Until January 30th, Creig, you have no leg to stand on. When Jan 30 comes around, and for whatever reason there is still no 8800 driver for Vista, then, and only then, will you have legs. Until then, I don't want to hear it. Squirm... LMAO... The reasonable consumers here, who will only buy 1 copy of Vista, (not a mandatory five through volume licensing) and own, or will own an 8800, know that things are just fine. 8800 owners are currently enjoying their cards on XP with some REAL nice performance. There are bugs in some games, but that is normal especially with a new architecture. But as you can see, Nvidia is addressing and working on this. They have just released a driver that remedies some of the probs. Not all of course, but some. And there will be more to come as per usual. So please. Cease this tantrum of yours. The level headed folks in here know things are just fine.

Tantrum? Are we competing with each other here?

Your original argument was that Vista was not available to the general public. I took the time and contacted MS directly and was told that Vista is indeed available to the public right now in 5 pack quantities.

So now you've switched your argument to say it's not available to "reasonable consumers", whoever they are. I know of multiple end users who are running 5 or more PCs. And I'm sure you do, too. So that ends your "reasonable consumer" theory.

I'm curious to see what your NEXT excuse is going to be. Well, no... Actually I'm not. Because they're getting pretty lame.

Is a version of Windows Vista legally available RIGHT NOW? Yes
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? No
Since there is no Vista driver available, is the 8800 series actually "Vista Ready"? No

And just for the record, I happen to think the 8800 series is quite a feather in Nvidia's cap. It has great performance in XP, draws less power than I thought possible for a successor to the 7900GTX/X1900XTX generation and is available in quantity. Sure there are some driver bugs, but no more than I expected from a totally new GPU.

But that still doesn't change the fact that's it's not Vista Ready now that Vista is available.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: apoppin
Thanks Kevin ... just 'business', i thought so ... and businesses certainly can be using 8800 ... so your excuse is DoA.
... the OEMs are no doubt preping for Vista and hoping they get an early driver.

... and thanks for again proving my point .... in every way possible.

:roll:

What are the cost benefits of using a G80 in a Business environment? Provide some valid use for a 8800GTS/GTX & Vista by a Business. I'm 100% certain you won't find any, which kinda makes your argument "DoA".

Try next to none. If they need a lot of GPU power they will be using FireGL, Quadro etc with their robust drivers on a stable OS. Most will get by on IGP/low end cards which, unless i'm mistaken, there are drivers for those.

who cares what the "cost benefits" are?

Some business owners care to have the latest and greatest ... just as we do ... MS certainly allows the choice ... otoh, nvidia doesn't give any choice ... and g80 is not 'vista ready' as advertised.

it's really simple and you just keep trying to *excuse* them for their sloppiness

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Squirm? Are we competing with each other here? Until January 30th, Creig, you have no leg to stand on. When Jan 30 comes around, and for whatever reason there is still no 8800 driver for Vista, then, and only then, will you have legs. Until then, I don't want to hear it. Squirm... LMAO... The reasonable consumers here, who will only buy 1 copy of Vista, (not a mandatory five through volume licensing) and own, or will own an 8800, know that things are just fine. 8800 owners are currently enjoying their cards on XP with some REAL nice performance. There are bugs in some games, but that is normal especially with a new architecture. But as you can see, Nvidia is addressing and working on this. They have just released a driver that remedies some of the probs. Not all of course, but some. And there will be more to come as per usual. So please. Cease this tantrum of yours. The level headed folks in here know things are just fine.

Tantrum? Are we competing with each other here?

(HOW OLD ARE YOU AGAIN?) Are you going to say "I know you are but what am I?" next???.

Your original argument was that Vista was not available to the general public. I took the time and contacted MS directly and was told that Vista is indeed available to the public right now in 5 pack quantities. Thanks for doing that. Should have kept it to yourself though as it only strengthened any argument against you.

So now you've switched your argument to say it's not available to "reasonable consumers", whoever they are. I know of multiple end users who are running 5 or more PCs. And I'm sure you do, too. So that ends your "reasonable consumer" theory.

Do you run 5 or more PC's, Creig? I would certainly think so as you seem to be screaming the loudest about nothing at all. And it can easily be said, that those YOU know with 5 or more PC's don't usually have the same operating system on all of them. You might find some Linux, Win 2000, WinXP. And surely some older Win9x boxes. And don't forget those who have Servers in their own homes.

I'm curious to see what your NEXT excuse is going to be. Well, no... Actually I'm not. Because they're getting pretty lame.
You call them excuses, as if you'd call it anything else, but I am telling no lies here. Not stretching or reaching as you are. You will not accept Jan 30 as the official release date of Vista, and Nvidia's G80 support thereof. It's not that you can't, you just will not even when simplistic reasons to do so are presented to you. You fight, just for the sole reason, to fight. It must be fun or something.

Is a version of Windows Vista legally available RIGHT NOW? Yes through certain channels, and you have to buy 5 copies/licenses
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? No Because Vista has not officially launched to the general public yet which is where the 8800 was geared to be sold to. It's a gaming card, not a business card.
Since there is no Vista driver ,OR VISTA available to the general public, is the 8800 series actually "Vista Ready"? No because it has no reason to be yet

Fixed everything for ya. Enjoy. Done.

And this should really piss you off.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

And this should really piss you off.

i see you are back to your old ways
:thumbsdown:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36858

why should this piss anyone off? it's GOOD news ... even if it is not publically available

WE STILL CAN'T get it but we have, at least, seen and played with one. Nvidia finally has a Vista 32 bit driver version 10.30. We saw it at multiple locations and we even saw Crysis running on it. Of course it is a "non public" beta version.

So the driver exists and Nvidia got to the number 10 in its driver seriess. It was running some demomstations and games AOK. At least we know that there is something around the corner as we only have three weeks before the big Vole-a-Vista launch.

We don?t know when Nvidia plans to release the driver for you, its public, but at least it has something.

EDIT: even though nvidia's G80 is not quite Vista ready, i though you'd be interested in this possibly related news:

ATI's new Linux drivers already support R600

so ATi is Vista/Linux *ready* ... with the drivers ... just not the HW.

no company is perfect

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

And this should really piss you off.

i see you are back to your old ways
:thumbsdown:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36858

why should this piss anyone off? it's GOOD news ... even if it is not publically available

WE STILL CAN'T get it but we have, at least, seen and played with one. Nvidia finally has a Vista 32 bit driver version 10.30. We saw it at multiple locations and we even saw Crysis running on it. Of course it is a "non public" beta version.

So the driver exists and Nvidia got to the number 10 in its driver seriess. It was running some demomstations and games AOK. At least we know that there is something around the corner as we only have three weeks before the big Vole-a-Vista launch.

We don?t know when Nvidia plans to release the driver for you, its public, but at least it has something.

EDIT even though nvidia's G80 is not quite ] Vista ready, i though you'd be interested in this possibly related news:
ATI's new Linux drivers already support R600

so ATi is Vista/Linus *ready* ... with the drivers ... just not the HW.

no company is perfect Yet a lot of people expect them to be, apparently.

Get some visine. Old ways nothing. From the way Creig has been handling all this, it goes without saying that some news like that would piss him off. Yes, it IS good news. I would like to think that we all see it as good news. Lets ask Creig. Creig??? What say you?

 

[jim1976]

Guys does anyone ever thought the possibility that there's an agreement between M$ and Nvidia or AMD/ATI NOT to release a D3D10 driver till the official launch date?
And someone may reasonably argue. Why don't they release a D3D9 then for Vista? I can't answer that BUT it may be not so easy as with the other NV supported cards, due to marchitectural issues.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: jim1976
Guys does anyone ever thought the possibility that there's an agreement between M$ and Nvidia or AMD/ATI NOT to release a D3D10 driver till the official launch date?
And someone may reasonably argue. Why don't they release a D3D9 then for Vista? I can't answer that BUT it may be not so easy as with the other NV supported cards, due to marchitectural issues.

Well, it's a thought, but that doesn't make it so. Speculation only. So it would be pointless to continue on it without something from NV or MS to back er up.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

And this should really piss you off.

i see you are back to your old ways
:thumbsdown:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36858

why should this piss anyone off? it's GOOD news ... even if it is not publically available

WE STILL CAN'T get it but we have, at least, seen and played with one. Nvidia finally has a Vista 32 bit driver version 10.30. We saw it at multiple locations and we even saw Crysis running on it. Of course it is a "non public" beta version.

So the driver exists and Nvidia got to the number 10 in its driver seriess. It was running some demomstations and games AOK. At least we know that there is something around the corner as we only have three weeks before the big Vole-a-Vista launch.

We don?t know when Nvidia plans to release the driver for you, its public, but at least it has something.

EDIT even though nvidia's G80 is not quite ] Vista ready, i though you'd be interested in this possibly related news:
ATI's new Linux drivers already support R600

so ATi is Vista/Linus *ready* ... with the drivers ... just not the HW.

no company is perfect Yet a lot of people expect them to be, apparently.

Get some visine. Old ways nothing. From the way Creig has been handling all this, it goes without saying that some news like that would piss him off. Yes, it IS good news. I would like to think that we all see it as good news. Lets ask Creig. Creig??? What say you?

i don't like putting chemicals into my eyes

why should ANYone be PO'd? it IS good news and removes a *thorn* from the business owners that are running vista on a G80 ... they know for sure they will be supported even if they have to workaround now.

however it still isn't available ... so g80 isn't "Vista Ready" . . . yet.

doesn't bother me ... i guess i could pick up 5 Vista licenses and a few 8800s ... if i wanted to really make a *point* ... just to bitch.

*me* ... i am still waiting for old technology ... my Sapphirex1950p [agp!] is scheduled to arrive today





and it is really *doubtful* that MS is "holding nvidia back" ... NO logical reason whatsoever to delay a video driver ...
nvidia is just *behind*
[so what ... ati is even more behind with "lack of HW"]

again ... NO company is perfect

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin


i don't like putting chemicals into my eyes I don't blame you

why should ANYone be PO'd? (Beats the hell outta me) it IS good news and removes a *thorn* from the business owners that are running vista on a G80 ... they know for sure they will be supported even if they have to workaround now.

however it still isn't available ... so g80 isn't "Vista Ready" . . . yet. Sure it is. Just not from your perspective. You're entitled to it, as I am mine.

doesn't bother me ... i guess i could pick up 5 Vista licenses and a few 8800s ... if i wanted to really make a *point* ... just to bitch. hehe, be my guest on that one.

*me* ... i am still waiting for old technology ... my Sapphirex1950p [agp!] is scheduled to arrive today Should be a sweet upgrade for you. You're really getting your money's worth outta your AGP system.





and it is really *doubtful* that MS is "holding nvidia back" ... NO logical reason whatsoever to delay a video driver ...
nvidia is just *behind* Actually, if the INQ article is true, Nvidia is "ahead" of Vista's official launch. Like I said, perspective.
[so what ... ati is even more behind with "lack of HW"] As long as they get the R600 out the door in a reasonable amount of time after Vista's launch, it shouldn't be too bad. I am anxious to see what it can do. No big rush, as there are no DX10 games for us yet. So, we can all deal I guess.

again ... NO company is perfect

Agreed. :thumbsup:

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, it's a thought, but that doesn't make it so. Speculation only. So it would be pointless to continue on it without something from NV or MS to back er up.

Well isn't that what we are doing here? Aren't we all speculate as to why Nvidia hasn't a Vista driver out yet? Can anyone come out with certainty and tell me that Nvidia hasn't released the Vista driver for a specific reason? No they just find it logical that they are late.. But don't they specualte as well? What if they can't?

Originally posted by: apoppin
and it is really *doubtful* that MS is "holding nvidia back" ... NO logical reason whatsoever to delay a video driver ...
nvidia is just *behind*
[so what ... ati is even more behind with "lack of HW"]

again ... NO company is perfect

I don't see it doubtful IMHO.. M$ was partially in bed with ATI due to Xenos.. Though I find this just a lame and poor excuse..
There's a logical reason and it is for marketing purposes.. Maybe Bill does not want ANY company release D3D10 content till the official "fancy" launch of Vista.. After all that is the reason why a company sets an official launch date...OTOH this helps Nvidia to make/tweak a better driver for the upcoming OS..

 

[apoppin]

letsee 5 Vista Business Licenses ... and a GTX ... make it two ... i need to rebuild my whole computer ... PCIe , core2 duo ... BluRay...

that about 2 Grand ... for a *point* ...

i could do it ... but ... but ...

... and yep, my AGP system is working on FOUR years ...
[and totally satisfied with it]
:thumbsup:

maybe Sapphire will make a x1950pX2 for AGP
:Q




i stil don't see a reason why MS would ask nvidia to delay drivers ... they haven't asked any other company to wait? it would be bad for MS and their customers ... OTOH, perhaps nvidia doesn't have the certification yet.

And MS and ATi were "in bed" in designing the Driver at the Heart of Vista ... it goes much *deeper* than Xenos.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
(HOW OLD ARE YOU AGAIN?) Are you going to say "I know you are but what am I?" next???.

Well, if you're going to act like a child then I'm going to treat you like a child.

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Your original argument was that Vista was not available to the general public. I took the time and contacted MS directly and was told that Vista is indeed available to the public right now in 5 pack quantities.

Thanks for doing that. Should have kept it to yourself though as it only strengthened any argument against you.

In what way? I, as an ordinary member of the public, can order a 5 pack license for MS Vista Business edition directly from Microsoft themselves. I would say that would qualify Vista as "available".

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So now you've switched your argument to say it's not available to "reasonable consumers", whoever they are. I know of multiple end users who are running 5 or more PCs. And I'm sure you do, too. So that ends your "reasonable consumer" theory.

Do you run 5 or more PC's, Creig? I would certainly think so as you seem to be screaming the loudest about nothing at all. And it can easily be said, that those YOU know with 5 or more PC's don't usually have the same operating system on all of them. You might find some Linux, Win 2000, WinXP. And surely some older Win9x boxes. And don't forget those who have Servers in their own homes.

Actually, I do. I have my main and backup computer running WinXP Pro, my daughter's desktop is running XP Home and my wife and I each have a laptop running XP Home. All legal copies btw. And I'm sure there are many, MANY people here running 5+ computers as well. Just stop by the Distributed Computing forum sometime and throw the question out there and see how many reply with an affirmative. Those guys make me look like a computer pauper with their crunching farms.

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm curious to see what your NEXT excuse is going to be. Well, no... Actually I'm not. Because they're getting pretty lame.

You call them excuses, as if you'd call it anything else, but I am telling no lies here. Not stretching or reaching as you are. You will not accept Jan 30 as the official release date of Vista, and Nvidia's G80 support thereof. It's not that you can't, you just will not even when simplistic reasons to do so are presented to you. You fight, just for the sole reason, to fight. It must be fun or something.[/b]

Just because Microsoft chose Jan 30 as an official ribbon cutting date does not change the fact that Vista is indeed available today.

I'm simply displaying facts that cannot be disputed while you're using things like "reasonable consumer" to try and support your theories.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Is a version of Windows Vista legally available RIGHT NOW? Yes through certain channels, and you have to buy 5 copies/licenses

The Vista Ready logo does not say what channel you have to purchase your copy of Vista from. The source is totally irrelevent. Unless you mean they should have a "Buy.com Vista Ready" or "CostCO Vista Ready" Or "OfficeMax Vista Ready" logo.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? No Because Vista has not officially launched to the general public yet which is where the 8800 was geared to be sold to. It's a gaming card, not a business card.

There is no "business card" or "gaming card". A video card can be used for either purpose. I'm sure the Dell Precision 390 I use at work would perform equally well playing Half-Life 2 as it does with MicroStation.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Since there is no Vista driver ,OR VISTA available to the general public, is the 8800 series actually "Vista Ready"? No because it has no reason to be yet

The reason is the big "Vista Ready" sticker on the front of the box and the availability of Vista Business edition.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
And this should really piss you off.

Why would that piss me off? It's good news. Hopefully Nvidia will release it before the end of the month so people can use their 8800's in Vista sooner. But it still doesn't change the fact that Nvidia did not release a Vista driver once Vista became available even though they sold the cards with a "Vista Ready" logo on the box. Why you are fighting tooth and nail to deny this fact is beyond me.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Talk about spreading FUD... There is no separate "consumer level" or "business level" driver because the 8800 is neither specifically a "consumer level" or "business level" product. The 8800 can be used on ANY version of Vista and businesses are free to use ANY version of Vista they feel is appropriate for their needs, be it Business, Ultimate or Home. The same goes for home users.

Creig, listen to me very carefully.

The Geforce series is consumer grade cards. Yes, they can be used in a business/workstation environment but they are CONSUMER GRADE cards. Got it?

The Quadro seris is Professional/Workstation grade cards. Yes they can be used in a consumer based environment but they are Workstation/Professional grade. Got it?

The drivers released for the Consumer based cards will be released in tandem with the consumer based OS, NOT the Workstation/Business OS. In the mean time, if you are one of the rare business owners who has an 8800, by all means argue your case...if not then there is no point in this senseless argument.

Your original argument was that Vista was not available to the general public. I took the time and contacted MS directly and was told that Vista is indeed available to the public right now in 5 pack quantities.

And if you read my post it asks if you have tried to apply to the volume licensing? If you haven't head over and just look at the form and try to tell me that is for everyone. Really it takes just seconds.

And just for the record, I happen to think the 8800 series is quite a feather in Nvidia's cap. It has great performance in XP, draws less power than I thought possible for a successor to the 7900GTX/X1900XTX generation and is available in quantity. Sure there are some driver bugs, but no more than I expected from a totally new GPU.

Thats good, we are all glad you feel that way.....

But that still doesn't change the fact that's it's not Vista Ready now that Vista is available.

I'm tired of arguing this point. Look, MS says the OS in it's entirety is released on Jan 30. You can argue that this little thing is released here, and there is a loophole is available here; but I'm through. You just don't understand what a release date is.

EDIT: even though nvidia's G80 is not quite Vista ready, i though you'd be interested in this possibly related news:

ATI's new Linux drivers already support R600

so ATi is Vista/Linux *ready* ... with the drivers ... just not the HW.

Apoppin it makes no mention that the R600 is in Vista drivers. It says that they have Linux support. The word Vista isn't even in that article! (And yes I searched).

i guess i could pick up 5 Vista licenses and a few 8800s ... if i wanted to really make a *point* ... just to bitch.

Please just go look at the form for VL. Just look and you tell me you can truthfully fill that out without representing a business.

-Kevin

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Talk about spreading FUD... There is no separate "consumer level" or "business level" driver because the 8800 is neither specifically a "consumer level" or "business level" product. The 8800 can be used on ANY version of Vista and businesses are free to use ANY version of Vista they feel is appropriate for their needs, be it Business, Ultimate or Home. The same goes for home users.

Creig, listen to me very carefully.

The Geforce series is consumer grade cards. Yes, they can be used in a business/workstation environment but they are CONSUMER GRADE cards. Got it?

The Quadro seris is Professional/Workstation grade cards. Yes they can be used in a consumer based environment but they are Workstation/Professional grade. Got it?

The drivers released for the Consumer based cards will be released in tandem with the consumer based OS, NOT the Workstation/Business OS. In the mean time, if you are one of the rare business owners who has an 8800, by all means argue your case...if not then there is no point in this senseless argument.

Your original argument was that Vista was not available to the general public. I took the time and contacted MS directly and was told that Vista is indeed available to the public right now in 5 pack quantities.

And if you read my post it asks if you have tried to apply to the volume licensing? If you haven't head over and just look at the form and try to tell me that is for everyone. Really it takes just seconds.

And just for the record, I happen to think the 8800 series is quite a feather in Nvidia's cap. It has great performance in XP, draws less power than I thought possible for a successor to the 7900GTX/X1900XTX generation and is available in quantity. Sure there are some driver bugs, but no more than I expected from a totally new GPU.

Thats good, we are all glad you feel that way.....

But that still doesn't change the fact that's it's not Vista Ready now that Vista is available.

I'm tired of arguing this point. Look, MS says the OS in it's entirety is released on Jan 30. You can argue that this little thing is released here, and there is a loophole is available here; but I'm through. You just don't understand what a release date is.

EDIT: even though nvidia's G80 is not quite Vista ready, i though you'd be interested in this possibly related news:

ATI's new Linux drivers already support R600

so ATi is Vista/Linux *ready* ... with the drivers ... just not the HW.

Apoppin it makes no mention that the R600 is in Vista drivers. It says that they have Linux support. The word Vista isn't even in that article! (And yes I searched).

i guess i could pick up 5 Vista licenses and a few 8800s ... if i wanted to really make a *point* ... just to bitch.

Please just go look at the form for VL. Just look and you tell me you can truthfully fill that out without representing a business.

-Kevin

why talk about spreading FUD? ... you are the expert, i guess [on "everything"]

i can truthfully fill out the form ... IF i wanted Vista

i can also buy an 8800 ... or two

but *why?*
... kinda pointless ... g80 isn't "vista Ready"
:frown:

EDIT: Evidently ATi IS "Vista Ready" and "Linux Ready" with the drivers ...
on the OTHER hand, r600 is MIA.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i still don't see a reason why MS would ask nvidia to delay drivers ... they haven't asked any other company to wait? it would be bad for MS and their customers ... OTOH, perhaps nvidia doesn't have the certification yet.

And MS and ATi were "in bed" in designing the Driver at the Heart of Vista ... it goes much *deeper* than Xenos.

Dunno..It's a trivial thing...Who has the most appropriate strategy? ATI that already has knowledge/feedback from Xenon but delays the first D3D10 gpu in order to tweak it and stay in front of the competition or Nvidia that releases a product prior to the competition but has to face so many problems with the new architecture? The former sounds more safe while the latter sounds more profitable strategy..In any case if you ask me I don't know what's the most appropriate one though from a consumer POV.. Making a driver for a new OS AND a new API AND a new architecture isn't the easiest thing in the world I presume.. Whether they(NV) are "obliged" or "comfortable" in releasing a driver prior to the official launch remains unknown...I guess releasing the product before the expected date has its pros and cons anyway.. Who knows for sure? We can all speculate as long as we don't have official statements..

 

[Gamingphreek]

I'm not going to continue to slave over this thread re-answering each inane topic again.

However; Apoppin you said that you can fill out the VL form.

Let me ask you a question then if you will:
What is your business's focus: "Networking and Servers or Office Productivity"
What is your product specialty: "Dynamics CRM, Dynamic GP etc..."

I seriously seriously doubt that you can complete that form. WHen you complete that form MS provides the location of Business Channels where Vista Business can be purchased. Again I seriously seriously doubt that you can accurately complete that and then buy through a Business Channel.

-Kevin

 

[apoppin]

who really cares what you think?
... or seriously doubt ...

i have owned my own business since before you were born and i don't care to give any details about it

and WTH would i buy Vista and G80 if there are no drivers for G80 ... kinda counterproductive, don't you think?
:roll:

the *whole point* ot this thread is that there ARE business owners that were fooled by nvidia's bogus "Vista Ready" claim for their top performing card.
:thumbsdown:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: apoppin
who really cares what you think?
... or seriously doubt ...

i have owned my own business since before you were born and i don't care to give any details about it

and WTH would i buy Vista and G80 if there are no drivers for G80 ... kinda counterproductive, don't you think?
:roll:

the *whole point* ot this thread is that there ARE business owners that were fooled by nvidia's bogus "Vista Ready" claim for their top performing card.
:thumbsdown:

Well instead of outright insulting me, why didn't you just tell us you were a business owner in the first place!?!?!?!?!? (I assure you, I know way meant for you to put information out about your business; I, nor anyone else in this thread, had knowledge that you even had one)

So while you can answer those questions, do you honestly think that I (An 18 year old college student) could go through and answer those? I don't think I could. Why? Because I don't own a business.

-Kevin