I NEED VISTA DRIVERS FOR NVIDIA 8800GTX :!

[gsellis]

Kevin, the 8800/G80 is a business card and chipset. You are now arguing that any laptop that a business can use must have a Quadro chipset in it. That is not how they package them. Dell packages the XPS 710 as a medium/large business solution. It is SLI "ready" (still trying to figure out why a CrossFire card is listed).

Here is what cards it supports.

256MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GS, Single and Dual
512MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GTX
Dual ATI Radeon X1950 XTX 512MB CrossFire
Single 1GB NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2 Dual-GPU Graphics Card
Dual 1GB NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2 Dual-GPU Graphics Cards, Quad SLI


If you really want to get annoyed by something, get annoyed at Creative. Their Vista driver expires tomorrow and no new driver on their site.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: mylok
I am a MSDN subcriber and VISTA is not in BETA it is RTM. The version of Ultimate I have is the FINAL version. It is the exact version that will be available at retail outlets later this month. I also have a FULL version on they way (non MSDN should be here within 2 weeks). The IT staff at my work have been evaluating it for the last couple of weeks (making sure our apps work with it) before it is deployed. This is not a test or beta version.

It is lame that nvidia does not even have beta drivers available for the 8800 series of cards and VISTA.

Just wanted to add that when I run dxdiag in vista the version reported is v10.

as I have posted above.

dx sdk

"What's New in the December 2006 DirectX SDK

This version of the DirectX SDK contains the following new features, tools, and documentation.

Direct3D 10 RTM

The DirectX December 2006 SDK contains the first official release of Direct3D 10, the latest graphics platform from Microsoft. Developers can now publish and distribute Direct3D 10 applications and games that leverage all of the software and hardware features of Direct3D 10 in Windows Vista."

everything prior is considered beta. In other words, the dx10 in your machine is likely a beta build.

In other words, DX10 was just completed recently, they need time to write drivers for it.

 

[josh6079]

I've linked Vista retail sales in other threads that are now sold out but were once up for grabs, even the Home version.

This, for instance, is another site that is going to be selling legit versions of the OS tomorrow. - Click

I guess nVidia better release a driver by then.

Of course, depending on the place they're already late -

This place is selling the "Home Premium" version NOW and is in quantity, ready to ship.

They're offering either an upgrade kit for cheaper, the actual retail vesion (most expensive one), and an "upgrade education" instruction set (cheapest).

 

[beggerking]

You can buy/preorder now, but they won't be shipped until Jan 30, 07.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: gsellis
Kevin, the 8800/G80 is a business card and chipset. You are now arguing that any laptop that a business can use must have a Quadro chipset in it. That is not how they package them. Dell packages the XPS 710 as a medium/large business solution. It is SLI "ready" (still trying to figure out why a CrossFire card is listed).

Here is what cards it supports.

256MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GS, Single and Dual
512MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GTX
Dual ATI Radeon X1950 XTX 512MB CrossFire
Single 1GB NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2 Dual-GPU Graphics Card
Dual 1GB NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2 Dual-GPU Graphics Cards, Quad SLI


If you really want to get annoyed by something, get annoyed at Creative. Their Vista driver expires tomorrow and no new driver on their site.

First off it isn't a chipset. It is a GPU architecture. A chipset would be the Nforce or the Xpress 3200 series (ie: A set of chips)

I never said it must have a Quadro. I said Nvidia designated the Quadro for Business/Professional/Workstation level graphics not consumer- That is not to say that they we can't use it, its just what Nvidia intends it and releases the drivers for.

The G80 and below are consumer grade GPU's. Nvidia designated them for consumer level graphics, not Professional/Workstation. While Businesses are certainly entitled to use them, Nvidia offers support and drivers in correspondence with other Consumer level products.

Everyone is always annoyed at Creative lol. We have learned that no amount of complaining will get a message to that monstrosity of a company

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: josh6079
I've linked Vista retail sales in other threads that are now sold out but were once up for grabs, even the Home version.

This, for instance, is another site that is going to be selling legit versions of the OS tomorrow. - Click

I guess nVidia better release a driver by then.

Of course, depending on the place they're already late -

This place is selling the "Home Premium" version NOW and is in quantity, ready to ship.

They're offering either an upgrade kit for cheaper, the actual retail vesion (most expensive one), and an "upgrade education" instruction set (cheapest).

As beggerkind said:

You can buy/preorder now, but they won't be shipped until Jan 30, 07.

If they are shipping it out now, then it is illegal as Microsoft has not released those OS's.

-Kevin

 

[terpsy]

Enough, enough, enough.....

Vista can be purchased, licensed, etc for a majority of us here (we are not just Joe Public) and have access to MSDN, TechNet, etc....

NVidia had billed this card as Vista Ready and it's marketing is built around use in Vista
(Show me an ad where it states BEST WindowsXP and DirectX9 card)

Nvidia has not released a driver, and will not until my grandmother can walk into
a store and purchase a copy of Vista (She does NOT have access to MSDN or Technet)

There is only one of two reasons for NO driver from Nvidia for their 8800 series card for Vista :

1. A prior agreement with MS about DX10
(which, if was the case, Nvidia would be screaming this from the rooftops)
2. Broken, not fully functional, problems completing, Serious showstopper
bug in the driver (which is more beleivable, as Nvidia drivers are second rate now
compared to ATI's support)

Yes, they got the silicon, the hard launch down set, just not the driver support
(heck, it even is only 85% in Windows XP for the 8800 series)

Do we have a right to feel misled by Nvidia? YES

The card has been available for over 2 months now (as well as Vista)

If they would have been upfront and said, no driver would be available until Launch date of Vista for your Grandmother to purchase, I could have saved over $50 at least, as well as ponied up a few more bucks and get a GTX instead.

They are the ones who should feel the backlash and brunt of their client base.

Just who the HECK do they think is going to be purchasing their flagship graphics card?
Notice, i have not singled anyone out here in the thread telling them what they can/can't do with their money, hardware, software.....

And neither should Nvidia.

Vista is available, the card was marketed and built for Vista, why no driver?

I purchased this product in November, and here we are in January and there is no driver.
I know buyer beware, but, in the end, it is Nvidia who has lost a Nvidiot.

I will forever untli the end, consider a counter product from AMD-ATI, and, if I have to purchase Nvidia, will never be their flagship products anymore.


Personally : I think they are having an issue with the wrapper and DirectX9 in Vista.
I think they are having a Larger than anticipated hit in Frame Rates (read 30-40% less) thank in Windows XP. And with the real world performance, any need for their card until DX10 software is available would be useless.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
And this should really piss you off.

Keys...you linked to a paper-launched driver.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: terpsy
Enough, enough, enough.....

Vista can be purchased, licensed, etc for a majority of us here (we are not just Joe Public) and have access to MSDN, TechNet, etc....

NVidia had billed this card as Vista Ready and it's marketing is built around use in Vista
(Show me an ad where it states BEST WindowsXP and DirectX9 card)

Nvidia has not released a driver, and will not until my grandmother can walk into
a store and purchase a copy of Vista (She does NOT have access to MSDN or Technet)

There is only one of two reasons for NO driver from Nvidia for their 8800 series card for Vista :

1. A prior agreement with MS about DX10
(which, if was the case, Nvidia would be screaming this from the rooftops)
2. Broken, not fully functional, problems completing, Serious showstopper
bug in the driver (which is more beleivable, as Nvidia drivers are second rate now
compared to ATI's support)

Yes, they got the silicon, the hard launch down set, just not the driver support
(heck, it even is only 85% in Windows XP for the 8800 series)

Do we have a right to feel misled by Nvidia? YES

The card has been available for over 2 months now (as well as Vista)

If they would have been upfront and said, no driver would be available until Launch date of Vista for your Grandmother to purchase, I could have saved over $50 at least, as well as ponied up a few more bucks and get a GTX instead.

They are the ones who should feel the backlash and brunt of their client base.

Just who the HECK do they think is going to be purchasing their flagship graphics card?
Notice, i have not singled anyone out here in the thread telling them what they can/can't do with their money, hardware, software.....

And neither should Nvidia.

Vista is available, the card was marketed and built for Vista, why no driver?

I purchased this product in November, and here we are in January and there is no driver.
I know buyer beware, but, in the end, it is Nvidia who has lost a Nvidiot.

I will forever untli the end, consider a counter product from AMD-ATI, and, if I have to purchase Nvidia, will never be their flagship products anymore.


Personally : I think they are having an issue with the wrapper and DirectX9 in Vista.
I think they are having a Larger than anticipated hit in Frame Rates (read 30-40% less) thank in Windows XP. And with the real world performance, any need for their card until DX10 software is available would be useless.

Appearantly you don't read well...

DX10 wasn't finalized until Dec 2006. I linked it 2 or 3 posts above you.

Additionally, MSDN, technet versions are for developing, testing, demo only. IT IS NOT YET SUPPORTED BY MICROSOFT because it has not been released for consumer yet.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Vista can be purchased, licensed, etc for a majority of us here (we are not just Joe Public) and have access to MSDN, TechNet, etc....

You are in a Technology Forum. Of course there are a few of us that have MSDN/TechNet priveleges. As Beggerking continues to state, "They are for developing, testing, and demo only".

The only other one released is Business which is not available to the avg consumer as we don't have access to business channels, and we don't own a business.

2. Broken, not fully functional, problems completing, Serious showstopper
bug in the driver (which is more beleivable, as Nvidia drivers are second rate now
compared to ATI's support)

Have you read any articles. Nvidia's drivers are still far more refined than ATI. Not to discredit ATI because their drivers have made leaps and bounds since the 9xxx series.

Additionally, Keys linked to a screenshot of the drivers running, and Beggerking just said that they just released D3D10.

Do we have a right to feel misled by Nvidia? NO

Fixed

The card has been available for over 2 months now (but not Vista)

Fix that for ya too.

If they would have been upfront and said, no driver would be available until Launch date of Vista for your Grandmother to purchase, I could have saved over $50 at least, as well as ponied up a few more bucks and get a GTX instead.

Omg, THEY DID. They said that we are not releasing a Vista driver until the OS is released. Why would the release it before the OS is released!?!?!?

Vista is available, the card was marketed and built for Vista, why no driver?

Vista is not available to the general public, therefore Nvidia is not going to release drivers aimed at the general public.

I purchased this product in November, and here we are in January and there is no driver.
I know buyer beware, but, in the end, it is Nvidia who has lost a Nvidiot.

I will forever untli the end, consider a counter product from AMD-ATI, and, if I have to purchase Nvidia, will never be their flagship products anymore.

Hmm, interesting. So you were never unbiased to begin with. Kthxbye!

Personally : I think they are having an issue with the wrapper and DirectX9 in Vista.
I think they are having a Larger than anticipated hit in Frame Rates (read 30-40% less) thank in Windows XP. And with the real world performance, any need for their card until DX10 software is available would be useless.

As Keys and Begger have repeatedly stated and proven, that is not the case. Also, if you remember the Vista articles on the web, performance was down on the BETA VERSION (Read: Beta Version) by IIRC 10-15%. Frame rates don't get cut 30-40% by switching OS's.

-Kevin

 

[BlizzardOne]

Man, I sure hope all you guys are up to your necks in free nVidia hardware for all the defensive posting.

 

[terpsy]

Phreek -->

do you work for Nvidia?

After reading your resposnse, I woud think you are a Viral employee for them...

Your right, it was biased, I had always purchased Nvidia for the past 8 years, that
relationship is now over....

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: terpsy
Phreek -->

do you work for Nvidia?

After reading your resposnse, I woud think you are a Viral employee for them...

Your right, it was biased, I had always purchased Nvidia for the past 8 years, that
relationship is now over....

Yes I'm an 18 year old college Freshman who also has a secret job where I work for Nvidia and a viral marketing campaign :roll:.

So I assume you think I am biased because I disagreed with you. Way to support that! I have no need to argue with someone who can only argue via Ad Hominem attacks.

-Kevin

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: terpsy
Phreek -->

do you work for Nvidia?

After reading your resposnse, I woud think you are a Viral employee for them...

Your right, it was biased, I had always purchased Nvidia for the past 8 years, that
relationship is now over....

where you get that from?..

Facts:

1. Vista is not yet released nor licensed for consumers ( who use consumer cards like g80) If you get one now, IT IS NOT SUPPORTED.

2. DX10 was just finalized in Dec 06, it takes time for them to write drivers for it. that is why there are no DX10 (!= dx9 driver for vista) out.

if after Jan 30 and its still not out, then your crap would be valid. Anything before Jan 30, you are just spreading FUD.

 

[Ateo]

WTF is this?
A convention of people trying to make an issue of an none issue?!

Let me point you to the danish Microsoft site:
From the horses mouth it self...read it..and take NOTICE!!!

It states:

"Bestil din Windows Vista før lanceringen."

That is danish, which translated to english reads like this:

"Order your Windows Vista BEFORE the launch."

Does anyone not understand that simple sentence?

 

[BlizzardOne]

Originally posted by: beggerking

1. Vista is not yet released nor licensed for consumers ( who use consumer cards like g80) If you get one now, IT IS NOT SUPPORTED.

2. DX10 was just finalized in Dec 06, it takes time for them to write drivers for it. that is why there are no DX10 (!= dx9 driver for vista) out.

if after Jan 30 and its still not out, then your crap would be valid. Anything before Jan 30, you are just spreading FUD.

Good God.

How much do you think they changed in the latest DX10 update? You do know that every month or two they release DX9 updates, right? I don't see nVidia or AMD/ATi dragging their feet re-writing drivers for that...:disgust:

If you keep grasping for straws, you'll eventually run out.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne

Originally posted by: beggerking

1. Vista is not yet released nor licensed for consumers ( who use consumer cards like g80) If you get one now, IT IS NOT SUPPORTED.

2. DX10 was just finalized in Dec 06, it takes time for them to write drivers for it. that is why there are no DX10 (!= dx9 driver for vista) out.

if after Jan 30 and its still not out, then your crap would be valid. Anything before Jan 30, you are just spreading FUD.

Good God.

How much do you think they changed in the latest DX10 update? You do know that every month or two they release DX9 updates, right? I don't see nVidia or AMD/ATi dragging their feet re-writing drivers for that...:disgust:

If you keep grasping for straws, you'll eventually run out.

Umm this isn't a DX10 update. This is the first time Direct 3D 10 has been released. They didn't change anything, they finally released it.

-Kevin

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
Good God.

How much do you think they changed in the latest DX10 update? You do know that every month or two they release DX9 updates, right? I don't see nVidia or AMD/ATi dragging their feet re-writing drivers for that...:disgust:

If you keep grasping for straws, you'll eventually run out.

for god sake, read the link!

compare to pre-releases:
tons of changes, updates, and still has issues.

 

[BlizzardOne]

This is the first time Direct 3D 10 has been released. They didn't change anything, they finally released it.

Thanks for contradicting Beggerking:

2. DX10 was just finalized in Dec 06, it takes time for them to write drivers for it. that is why there are no DX10 (!= dx9 driver for vista) out.

So was it finalized in December, which could suggest a change from earlier versions - thus drivers needed to be re-written?

Or was nothing changed as you say, meaning nVidia's had months and months to get drivers written (afaik D3D 10's been included with Vista since Beta 2..)?

If you're going to rush to nVidia's collective defense, atleast get on the same page.

 

[BlizzardOne]

Originally posted by: beggerking

compare to pre-releases:
tons of changes, updates, and still has issues.

But that's not what your mate Kevin says! He say's nothing has changed!

Make your minds up

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Creig, listen to me very carefully.

The Geforce series is consumer grade cards. Yes, they can be used in a business/workstation environment but they are CONSUMER GRADE cards. Got it?

The Quadro seris is Professional/Workstation grade cards. Yes they can be used in a consumer based environment but they are Workstation/Professional grade. Got it?

The drivers released for the Consumer based cards will be released in tandem with the consumer based OS, NOT the Workstation/Business OS.

According to the MS rep I talked to, you do not have to be a business owner in order to purchase Vista Business.

Also, a business can choose to use Vista Home or Vistal Ultimate if they wish. None of the versions are exclusive to any one environment. And the 8800 is designed to run equally on any version. Or are you trying to say there's going to be one driver for Vista Home/Ultimate edition and a different driver for Vista Business edition?

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
In the mean time, if you are one of the rare business owners who has an 8800, by all means argue your case...if not then there is no point in this senseless argument.

So you agree with me that people who own both Vista Business and an 8800 should already have had access to a Vista driver. Thank you for finally seeing my point.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne

Originally posted by: beggerking

compare to pre-releases:
tons of changes, updates, and still has issues.

But that's not what your mate Kevin says! He say's nothing has changed!

Make your minds up

I never said nothing has changed. I said this is the first release after the pre-release, don't twist my words.

Furthermore, I haven't read through the entire release notes for the SDK update yet, I am merely going off of what I have read in articles.

According to the MS rep I talked to, you do not have to be a business owner in order to purchase Vista Business.

They can tell you that all they want, by all means go to the MS site and just look at applying and finding a Business channel to buy through. Unless you own a business or lie, you have no chance of completing that application.

Also, a business can choose to use Vista Home or Vistal Ultimate if they wish. None of the versions are exclusive to any one environment. And the 8800 is designed to run equally on any version. Or are you trying to say there's going to be one driver for Vista Home/Ultimate edition and a different driver for Vista Business edition?

Nor did I imply that they couldn't. I explicitly said that they can run as they choose. I am saying this

Vista Business = Corporate/Workstation Environment = Product Directly supported- Quadro Series

Other Vista Version = Consumer Environment = Proudct Directly supported- Geforce Series

That isn't to say you can't mix and match, but they cannot provide support if you do due to issues like this.

So you agree with me that people who own both Vista Business and an 8800 should already have had access to a Vista driver. Thank you for finally seeing my point.

No. I said they can complain, but it doesn't change the fact that they are trying to use a consumer grade graphics card (Therefore support is provided based on the status of the consumer OS) in a Workstation Environment.

-Kevin

 

[BlizzardOne]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

I never said nothing has changed. I said this is the first release after the pre-release, don't twist my words.

Yes you did:

They didn't change anything, they finally released it.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

I never said nothing has changed. I said this is the first release after the pre-release, don't twist my words.

Yes you did:

They didn't change anything, they finally released it.

They couldn't change anything because it was the first release. Beggerking is referring to the fact that from the Pre-Release version of D3D 10 it has changed.

Sorry if I didn't make it clear. They released the final version of D3D 10, the final of course has changes over the pre-release.

-Kevin

 

[BlizzardOne]

Now you're just twisting your own words to suit.

Are you doing a politically-oriented course at college by chance?