I NEED VISTA DRIVERS FOR NVIDIA 8800GTX :!

[ronnn]

So if you own a business you are too grown up to play games? Anyways soon nvidia will release drivers and all those waiting can buy cards or the drivers will be very buggy and all those waiting can wait longer. Really win win.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: ronnn
So if you own a business you are too grown up to play games? Anyways soon nvidia will release drivers and all those waiting can buy cards or the drivers will be very buggy and all those waiting can wait longer. Really win win.

No, but seeing nobody here is posting on behalf of a business that is a moot point.

What makes you think the drivers will be buggy. Traditionally Nvidia's final release drivers are very well refined.

-Kevin

 

[Creig]

Here is the relevent part of an online conversation I just had with a Microsoft Small Business representative.

MS - Windows Vista is available NOW through Microsoft Volume Licensing.
Me - Are there any requirements necessary to order a Volume license?
MS - No.
MS - If you want to purchase it from Microsoft directly, you can contact Microsoft Sales and Information. Their number is 800-426-9400.

So as long as you're willing to order 5 licenses, you can purchase Vista Business edition right now. You, me, anybody.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Hmm well that is interesting.

Windows Vista Enterprise. A new offering, Windows Vista Enterprise is available only to Microsoft's Software Assurance (SA) customers via volume licensing. From a functional standpoint, it is very similar to Windows Vista Business, but with a few additional features. I'll highlight those in the tables below.

From this site.

Additionally, as for the Volume Licensing, I looked around and it presented me with a business survey. Go there and try it yourself. I am not discrediting the MS rep, but I personally cannot buy VL without owning a business.

So as long as you're willing to order 5 licenses, you can purchase Vista Business edition right now. You, me, anybody.

Ok let me rephrase my answer. You are not SUPPOSED to (If in fact you are able to get your hands on a Legit Vista Business copy). While you are free to do what you want, you are not supposed to obtain it for personal use, though you technically are allowed.

The company's release date to the public remains at Jan 30. You can argue the loopholes and possible ways to get around that until you lose the ability to type, but it isn't going to change that.

-Kevin

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig
Apparently some people around here seem to think that Windows Vista Business will only work on machines installed in offices.

Isn't that where it's SUPPOSED to be installed?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig
Here is the relevent part of an online conversation I just had with a Microsoft Small Business representative.

MS - Windows Vista is available NOW through Microsoft Volume Licensing.
Me - Are there any requirements necessary to order a Volume license?
MS - No.
MS - If you want to purchase it from Microsoft directly, you can contact Microsoft Sales and Information. Their number is 800-426-9400.

So as long as you're willing to order 5 licenses, you can purchase Vista Business edition right now. You, me, anybody.

Yeah Creig. That's why they call it "VOLUME" licensing. You can't buy just one. Now. Tell me how many consumers out there that YOU know of, will buy 5 copies of Windows Vista at a clip?

 

[Creig]

IT DOESN'T MATTER!! The whole crux of this thread boils down to this:

Is a version of Windows Vista legally available RIGHT NOW? Yes
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? No
Since there is no Vista driver available, is the 8800 series actually "Vista Ready"? No


That's it! No amount of squirming can change those facts.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Creig
Here is the relevent part of an online conversation I just had with a Microsoft Small Business representative.

MS - Windows Vista is available NOW through Microsoft Volume Licensing.
Me - Are there any requirements necessary to order a Volume license?
MS - No.
MS - If you want to purchase it from Microsoft directly, you can contact Microsoft Sales and Information. Their number is 800-426-9400.

So as long as you're willing to order 5 licenses, you can purchase Vista Business edition right now. You, me, anybody.

So the general public will go through all that to use Vista Business?
Im thinking to myself with the other 99% people. Why would i use Vista business and pair it with the fastest GPU?

I think we already know Vista business is available. So we already have agreed that these people do have the legitmate reason to complain about having no driver support from nVIDIA for using the 8800 series. However most of us infact question the need for the fastest GPU currently available by business companies using Vista Business.

The real point of this argument is that Window Vista Home and the other lineup are infact not available to the general public til january 30th. Ive already linked to micrsofts own site where it CLEARLY says its COUNTDOWNING TO ITS RELEASE at jan 30th.

I really find this humorous. Some people believing in that a unlaunched product is launched. Funny how i dont see ANY reviews on windows Vista nor the ability to buy one from major retailers, not to mention a offical statement/press release etc from Microsoft that Vista (apart from Vista business of course) is released.. maybe ive been living under a rock. I wonder if the general public are all MSDN subscribers..

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Creig
IT DOESN'T MATTER!! The whole crux of this thread boils down to this:

Is a version of Windows Vista legally available RIGHT NOW? Yes
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? No
Since there is no Vista driver available, is the 8800 series actually "Vista Ready"? No


That's it! No amount of squirming can change those facts.

Creig let me post an analogy I hope is not too faulty:

The speed limited is 65 on the I-95. I am SUPPOSED to go 65. If I don't because I know the speed limit changes in a mile does that absolve me of blame?

(^ Really bad analogy on my part but I am trying lol)

Is a version of Windows Vista legally available RIGHT NOW? Yes

So the people who can obtain that version can argue. Those of us who cannot obtain that version have no basis for our argument.

-Kevin

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
However most of us infact question the need for the fastest GPU currently available by business companies using Vista Business.

Whether a business needs G80 is irrelevant to the topic as has been stated many times.

Let me quote Creig:

Originally posted by: Creig
IT DOESN'T MATTER!! The whole crux of this thread boils down to this:

Is a version of Windows Vista legally available RIGHT NOW? Yes
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? No
Since there is no Vista driver available, is the 8800 series actually "Vista Ready"? No


That's it! No amount of squirming can change those facts.

How you use Vista business is up to you....however, any hardware that is deemed to be compatible with said OS should have the relevent driver if the OS is AVAILABLE...which it IS. Again, whether a business needs G80 is irrelevent and could be debated in another thread. Arguing whether a business needs G80 is purely your opinion.

The FACTS are as Creig has stated and are what matters in the original argument. I think it's getting to (or is already at) the point where everyone just wants to argue for the sake of it. One side won't be able to convince the other since both are in a sense correct.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
However most of us infact question the need for the fastest GPU currently available by business companies using Vista Business.

Whether a business needs G80 is irrelevant to the topic as has been stated many times.

Let me quote Creig:

Originally posted by: Creig
IT DOESN'T MATTER!! The whole crux of this thread boils down to this:

Is a version of Windows Vista legally available RIGHT NOW? Yes
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? No
Since there is no Vista driver available, is the 8800 series actually "Vista Ready"? No


That's it! No amount of squirming can change those facts.

How you use Vista business is up to you....however, any hardware that is deemed to be compatible with said OS should have the relevent driver if the OS is AVAILABLE...which it IS. Again, whether a business needs G80 is irrelevent and could be debated in another thread. Arguing whether a business needs G80 is purely your opinion.

The FACTS are as Creig has stated and are what matters in the original argument.

As I said earlier. Please post in this thread if you are upset AND representing a Business/Establishment, a Corporation, or are a TechNet/MSDN subscriber.

Those people I just listed can complain that their shiny new hardware doesn't work. But the fact is, the G80 is a consumer level card, not a workstation level card, therefore driver released tend to correspond to consumer releases.

-Kevin

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I think we already know Vista business is available.

There are some people in this thread that haven't fully grasped that concept yet.

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
So we already have agreed that these people do have the legitmate reason to complain about having no driver support from nVIDIA for using the 8800 series. However most of us infact question the need for the fastest GPU currently available by business companies using Vista Business.

Vista is available, but the 8800 Vista Ready driver isn't. It doesn't matter if businesses need a fast GPU or not. How many of the members here "need" SLI or Crossfire rigs? Or 24" widescreen LCDs? Or Raptor hard drives? Just because they don't "need" to run an 8800 on Vista doesn't mean that they wouldn't "want" to. And it's totally irrelevent to the point some of us are trying to get across. Specifically, that the "Vista Ready" logo that's been slapped on every 8800 box shipped out the door is inaccurate since, as you've stated yourself, "Vista business is available".

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
As I said earlier. Please post in this thread if you are upset AND representing a Business/Establishment, a Corporation, or are a TechNet/MSDN subscriber.

Those people I just listed can complain that their shiny new hardware doesn't work. But the fact is, the G80 is a consumer level card, not a workstation level card, therefore driver released tend to correspond to consumer releases.

-Kevin

As I've said, both sides are correct when looked at from different angles. As you've stated, there IS a legitimate argument if you have a business and have G80. Now HOW MANY people that actually applies to is anybody's guess and in that sense you are correct because there could in fact be none (of course I'm just looking at these forums however there could be others at differect forums). However, I think you can also see that saying there is no need for a Vista driver AT ALL is not completely correct.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I think we already know Vista business is available.

There are some people in this thread that haven't fully grasped that concept yet.

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
So we already have agreed that these people do have the legitmate reason to complain about having no driver support from nVIDIA for using the 8800 series. However most of us infact question the need for the fastest GPU currently available by business companies using Vista Business.

Vista is available, but the 8800 Vista Ready driver isn't. It doesn't matter if businesses need a fast GPU or not. How many of the members here "need" SLI or Crossfire rigs? Or 24" widescreen LCDs? Or Raptor hard drives? Just because they don't "need" to run an 8800 on Vista doesn't mean that they wouldn't "want" to. And it's totally irrelevent to the point some of us are trying to get across. Specifically, that the "Vista Ready" logo that's been slapped on every 8800 box shipped out the door is inaccurate since, as you've stated yourself, "Vista business is available".

Everyone has grasped that Vista Business has been released. However, it is only available to Businesses through business channels. If you don't believe me go check out the forms you have to fill out on the MS website for VL.

Finally, the fact is that the 8800 is a consumer level device. Not a Professional/Workstation device. Therefore the release of drivers to the general public corresponds to the release of the general public's version of vista.

As I have said a million other times in my posts:

Please post in this thread if you are upset AND representing a Business/Establishment, a Corporation, or are a TechNet/MSDN subscriber.

Those people I just listed can complain that their shiny new hardware doesn't work.

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
As I said earlier. Please post in this thread if you are upset AND representing a Business/Establishment, a Corporation, or are a TechNet/MSDN subscriber.

Those people I just listed can complain that their shiny new hardware doesn't work. But the fact is, the G80 is a consumer level card, not a workstation level card, therefore driver released tend to correspond to consumer releases.

-Kevin

As I've said, both sides are correct when looked at from different angles. As you've stated, there IS a legitimate argument if you have a business and have G80. Now HOW MANY people that actually applies to is anybody's guess and in that sense you are correct because there could in fact be none (of course I'm just looking at these forums however there could be others at differect forums). I think you can also see that saying there is no need for a Vista driver AT ALL is not completely correct.

I never denied that there was a need for a driver (Albeit a very small need, but a need nonetheless). However Nvidia is not obligated to provide support for their consumer level device while the consumer level OS is not available yet.

-Kevin

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Hmm well that is interesting.

Windows Vista Enterprise. A new offering, Windows Vista Enterprise is available only to Microsoft's Software Assurance (SA) customers via volume licensing. From a functional standpoint, it is very similar to Windows Vista Business, but with a few additional features. I'll highlight those in the tables below.

From this site.

Additionally, as for the Volume Licensing, I looked around and it presented me with a business survey. Go there and try it yourself. I am not discrediting the MS rep, but I personally cannot buy VL without owning a business.

So as long as you're willing to order 5 licenses, you can purchase Vista Business edition right now. You, me, anybody.

Ok let me rephrase my answer. You are not SUPPOSED to (If in fact you are able to get your hands on a Legit Vista Business copy). While you are free to do what you want, you are not supposed to obtain it for personal use, though you technically are allowed.

The company's release date to the public remains at Jan 30. You can argue the loopholes and possible ways to get around that until you lose the ability to type, but it isn't going to change that.

-Kevin

now if you CAPITALIZE something and then make it BOLD doesn't make your weak excuses for nvidia any move valid


Who says *supposed* to? just you.

The company's release date to the public remains at Jan 30. You can make excuses for nvidia and create loopholes and possible ways for them get around that until you lose the ability to type, but it isn't going to change the fact that Vista is available thru legitimate channels

*fixed* for you

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I never denied that there was a need for a driver (Albeit a very small need, but a need nonetheless). However Nvidia is not obligated to provide support for their consumer level device while the consumer level OS is not available yet.
-Kevin

Alright then they should release a business level driver for Vista business should they not? (Hypothetically)Say your business is using a specific Logitech mouse (claimed as Vista ready) and to get the full functionality of the many keys you need a Vista driver since you are running Vista business...now are you not entitled to a driver?? Regardless of how many people actually use that mouse with Vista business, there should be a driver for it if Vista business is released (which it is) and was claimed to be Vista ready (which it was).

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: ronnn
So if you own a business you are too grown up to play games? Anyways soon nvidia will release drivers and all those waiting can buy cards or the drivers will be very buggy and all those waiting can wait longer. Really win win.

No, but seeing nobody here is posting on behalf of a business that is a moot point.

What makes you think the drivers will be buggy. Traditionally Nvidia's final release drivers are very well refined.

-Kevin

I don't have an opinion on either good or buggy, but I am curious why you think they will be fine crafted? Generally when nvidia is late on delivering a promised feature - its generally broke. Also with last gen, nvidia drivers at default had horrible iq. Not saying ati ain't also crooked, I don't see any point in buying something based on these guys promises. Buy it when it works (if that feature is important).

 

[apoppin]

What about the OEMs ... i don't mean Dell particularly ... but the higher-end builders ... like alienware[?] ... what OS do they give you for your $5000 and SLI'd 8800GTXes?

XP or Vista?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: ronnn
So if you own a business you are too grown up to play games? Anyways soon nvidia will release drivers and all those waiting can buy cards or the drivers will be very buggy and all those waiting can wait longer. Really win win.

No, but seeing nobody here is posting on behalf of a business that is a moot point.

What makes you think the drivers will be buggy. Traditionally Nvidia's final release drivers are very well refined.

-Kevin

I don't have an opinion on either good or buggy, but I am curious why you think they will be fine crafted? Generally when nvidia is late on delivering a promised feature - its generally broke. Also with last gen, nvidia drivers at default had horrible iq. Not saying ati ain't also crooked, I don't see any point in buying something based on these guys promises. Buy it when it works (if that feature is important).

In that past Nvidia's drivers have been very refined. Not to discredit ATI in anyway as their drivers are leaps and bounds better from what they had years ago.

ay your business is using a specific Logitech mouse (claimed as Vista ready) and to get the full functionality of the many keys you need a Vista driver since you are running Vista business...now are you not entitled to a driver

Mouse drivers are included in the USB HID Subset of drivers. A mouse will work regardless. To get away from that cheap shot of mine though, certainly they would be entitled to a driver. However Mice are for Businesses and Consumers alike. You cannot disciminate between the 2.

Graphics cards on the other hand are broken up into 2 categories. Workstation/Professional and Consumer. Consumers drivers will be released in tandem with Consumer level OS's not Workstation/Profession (ie: Business) level OS's.

now if you CAPITALIZE something and then make it BOLD doesn't make your weak excuses for nvidia any move valid


Who says *supposed* to? just you.

The company's release date to the public remains at Jan 30. You can make excuses for nvidia and create loopholes and possible ways for them get around that until you lose the ability to type, but it isn't going to change the fact that Vista is available thru legitimate channels

I have to hand it to you Apoppin. You and Creig must have invented the ad hominem argument. Can you discuss a topic without throwing a cheap insult in at every opportunity? Additionally can you argue a topic without falsely accusing the other party of working for the company in question??

Vista is available through legitimate channels IF and ONLY IF you represent a business or are a TechNet/MSDN subscriber. Im seriously getting tired of typing that sentence! I don't understand how you can not understand it.

TechNet/MSDN and Businesses/Corporations are not the consumers/general public. Therefore, Nvidia is in no way obligated to provide drivers for their consumer level level device prior to the release of the consumer level OS.

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: apoppin
What about the OEMs ... i don't mean Dell particularly ... but the higher-end builders ... like alienware[?] ... what OS do they give you for your $5000 and SLI'd 8800GTXes?

XP or Vista?

They are shipping with XP with the option to upgrade/step-up to Vista when it is released on the 30 through this Express Upgrade thing.

-Kevin

 

[apoppin]

Thanks Kevin ... just 'business', i thought so ... and businesses certainly can be using 8800 ... so your excuse is DoA.
... the OEMs are no doubt preping for Vista and hoping they get an early driver.

... and thanks for again proving my point .... in every way possible.

:roll:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Thanks Kevin ... just 'business', i thought so ... and businesses certainly can be using 8800 ... so your excuse is DoA.
... the OEMs are no doubt preping for Vista and hoping they get an early driver.

... and thanks for again proving my point .... in every way possible.

:roll:

I never said Businesses can't use an 8800. I just said you cannot provide support for a consumer level product prior to the consumer level OS release. By all means they can use it with Business edition, Graphics Card vendors just discriminate between the 2 and release drivers accordingly.

Additionally, the OEM's aren't waiting for a driver. They are not allowed to release the consumer level OS. Last I checked the Business PC's are not shipping with Vista Business either (Nor do they have the option). I already stated the ways you can obtain it; the OEM's have Vista but by MS's order are not allowed to sell it.

I don't know if you had sarcasm towards the end of your post. Regardless, I am sorry if I came off mean any where in my statement of what the OEM's sell.

-Kevin

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Thanks Kevin ... just 'business', i thought so ... and businesses certainly can be using 8800 ... so your excuse is DoA.
... the OEMs are no doubt preping for Vista and hoping they get an early driver.

... and thanks for again proving my point .... in every way possible.

:roll:

What are the cost benefits of using a G80 in a Business environment? Provide some valid use for a 8800GTS/GTX & Vista by a Business. I'm 100% certain you won't find any, which kinda makes your argument "DoA".

Try next to none. If they need a lot of GPU power they will be using FireGL, Quadro etc with their robust drivers on a stable OS. Most will get by on IGP/low end cards which, unless i'm mistaken, there are drivers for those.

 

[Gstanfor]

Just as a matter of interest, this is some of what carmack had to say about Vista & DX10. Never were truer words spoken.

Carmack: It?s a tough thing for Microsoft, where, essentially, Windows XP was a just fine operating system. Before that, there were horrible problems with Windows. But once they got there, it did everything an operating system is supposed to do. Nothing is going to help a new game by going to a new operating system. There were some clear wins going from Windows 95 to Windows XP for games, but there really aren?t any for Vista. They?re artificially doing that by tying DX10 so close it, which is really nothing about the OS. It?s a hardware-interface spec. It?s an artificial thing that they?re doing there. They?re really grasping at straws for reasons to upgrade the operating system. I suspect I could run XP for a great many more years without having a problem with it.