He speaks for the 80% of the board who voted releasing Geforce 8800 while waiting to release the vista drivers closer to vista's availabililty on Jan. 30 was perfectly fine.
You, on the other hand, continue to hypocritically accuse others of being biased when it's you who is quite the fanATIc. As it's been echoed throughout this thread, grow up.
Nelsieus
Exactly. According to Microsoft, Windows Vista Business is available NOW.
There was nothing wrong with Nvidia releasing the 8800 when they did. It works just fine with Windows XP, aside from the bugs you'd expect to see with a new GPU. The issue at hand is Nvidia advertising the 8800 as Vista Ready, yet not providing a driver now that Vista is available.
Gamingphreek
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Exactly. You just said it yourself for godsake!! Windows Vista BUSINESS. Therefore it is only available to BUSINESSES. Hence the reason that no retail or OEM channels are selling it.
To further solidify it I will take this straight from MS site:
For those of you who still want to cling to your argument, broadly available means available to people OTHER THAN select MSDN subscibers and OTHER THAN Businesses/Corporations.
-Kevin
It really is a classic rhetorical device: claim that the other person's judgment is clouded by tribal affiliation ("nVidiots" or "FanATIcs"). It renders any and all statements by that person irrelevant, without having to substantively engage them. Kudos to those who have mastered this device without understanding its lack of relation to anything resembling objectivity in themselves.
A lot of people need to grow up and stop using pseudo-logical, rhetorical nonsense to either attack someone else or defend themselves. Many of those telling others to 'grow up' need to grow up themselves. A lot of stone-casting going on here, and not much restraint nor self-reflection.
There are probably quite a few people who bought the G80 thinking that they could run it on Vista right away; they're justifiably upset. In the grand scheme of marketing excess, however, this example ("Vista Ready") hardly bears mention. So, neither demeaning those who are upset nor blowing the situation out of all proportion is justified. Anyone doing otherwise most likely has an agenda (internally or externally motivated) for doing so. Granted, more often than not, the agenda is simply: "Look at me!! Look at me!! I think I'm smarter than you are!!"
Now, the teacher in me says that if anyone had done a good job going through their conflict resolution steps, they might have deserved a cookie. I doubt there will be many cookies handed out in this thread.
A lot of people need to grow up and stop using pseudo-logical, rhetorical nonsense to either attack someone else or defend themselves. Many of those telling others to 'grow up' need to grow up themselves. A lot of stone-casting going on here, and not much restraint nor self-reflection.
There are probably quite a few people who bought the G80 thinking that they could run it on Vista right away; they're justifiably upset. In the grand scheme of marketing excess, however, this example ("Vista Ready") hardly bears mention. So, neither demeaning those who are upset nor blowing the situation out of all proportion is justified. Anyone doing otherwise most likely has an agenda (internally or externally motivated) for doing so. Granted, more often than not, the agenda is simply: "Look at me!! Look at me!! I think I'm smarter than you are!!"
Now, the teacher in me says that if anyone had done a good job going through their conflict resolution steps, they might have deserved a cookie. I doubt there will be many cookies handed out in this thread.
Why are you having so much trouble with this concept? Windows Vista Business is still a version of Vista. The "Vista Ready" logo does not differentiate between the different versions of Vista. It covers ALL versions.
I know businesses that run XP Home edition and home users that run XP Professional. There is nothing preventing someone from running virtually ANY version of XP as they see fit. So what makes Windows Vista Business version any different?
So now that you've proven that Windows Vista is available, where is the 8800 "Vista Ready" driver?
Gamingphreek
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Ok, Professional is not a business version. Please tell me, do you know of individual consumers that use 2000 Data Center?
Vista Business is different because it isn't a Professional version it is a Business version. It is only available through Business channels. I don't see it available at any store accessible to me, as I just listed earlier.
Again let me restate Creig:
Not available to Consumers, only businesses.
-Kevin
Cookie Monster
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Just because it is marketed towards businesses doesn't mean that individuals or small business owners can't purchase it.
Microsoft Windows Vista from Microsoft Small Business
You keep mentioning that no large corporation would want to run an 8800 under Vista. I disagree, but let's try a different scenario. How about a small business with five or more PCs? Can you think of any that wouldn't mind running an 8800GTX under Vista? I can think of several in my area right off the top of my head.
Are you people for real?:Q
Are you people really arguing about if Vista is out or not?
When you can get it in stores, then it's out. That's the definition of released.
For fecks sake, grow up people
Are you people really arguing about if Vista is out or not?
When you can get it in stores, then it's out. That's the definition of released.
For fecks sake, grow up people
There is one driver, just released, but it's beta and ONLY for Windows Vista RTM build 6000 and higher.
More info here:
http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjM0MDYsLCxobmV3cywsLDE=
BFG10K
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MSDN, volume licensing and OEM.
Because you don't have a clue what you're talking about, that's why.
No it isn't because hardware without drivers is just a lump of silicon.
The box lists "Vista ready" for a product that isn't Vista ready. If it were ready then we wouldn't be waiting until Jan 30.
And?
Maybe you should go into that thread and tell them their complaints don't exist. :roll:
Did you miss the dictionary definition of consumer when it was posted last time?
Actually it does. If a company claims something but it's not true then it's false advertising. G80 is not Vista ready despite the box saying otherwise.
Then nVidia shouldn't have claimed the product is Vista ready.
Now they have, after the uproar. But I challenge you to find any Vista ready logo on the G80 retail boxes that lists a Jan 30th quantifier.
They have validity now because nVidia was claiming the product was ready when G80 was released.
Anyway, why would Jan 30th make any difference? You told us G80 is Vista ready now so therefore according to your logic it makes no difference when or even if drivers are released.
First you claimed the lack of a driver makes no difference to the Vista ready claim but then turn around and admit something will change on Jan 30.
So which is it? Is the product Vista ready now or isn't it?
But they didn't know there weren't Vista drivers because they were deceived by "Vista ready" claims that were inaccurate at best, lying at worst.
Again a product is nothing more than a lump of silicon without drivers. If nVidia never released G80 Vista drivers you would still be claiming the product is Vista ready?
What I own or don't own has no basis on fact. The problem here is nVidia trolls like yourself trying to downplay yet anothing shortcoming of nVidia.
Right and again hardware can't function without software. I'm not sure how a lump of silicon with no driver can be clased as ready for anything except to be a paperweight.
I'm not the one that refuses to accept simple concepts due to blind nVidia zealotry.
BFG10K
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MSDN, volume licensing and OEM.
Neither of which G80 is Vista ready for. What's your point?
Fine, now show me that date on the Vista ready logos.
So is G80 Vista ready for corporations? No? Then what relevance does a corporation have? Or are you admitting the Vista ready claim is false for corporations?
None of this appears to address what you quoted.
Which is why the product isn't ready for Vista. If it were we wouldn't have to wait for Jan 30.
Err, right. That's sorta the whole point.
Why do you keep talking about businesses as if G80 is somehow ready for them?
Where does nVidia's logo state "will be Vista ready when Vista is broadly available"? It doesn't, it says "Vista ready". Everyone here attempting to introduce the Vista availability argument is simply creating a strawman.
Saying "your food is ready" has absolutely nothing to do with whether I'm in a position to eat it or not.
apoppin
Lifer
please take your own advice ... grow up
you are the only one capable of *trashing* your name
it is very clear that you are as one-sided as any poster can be ...
and yet you deny it
:roll:
and you seem to be *stuck* on the Fact that Vista is released and is available and nvidia g80 drivers are not
and somehow you feel *compelled* to stick up for them when they need no defense ...
other than they are "behind"
its a Release Candidate or Beta. I am a MCP and MSDN subscriber..even though I have not tried it, its beta that is available for developers, not the full version.
terpsy
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I can only speak for myself.....
No on is right or wrong...
The bottom line is I purchased this card to use with Vista when it launched the hardware.
I feel Nvidia only addressed it when the outcry came upon them, and they hid behind the launch date of the 30th. If the Card is running real time at CES, I am even more upset that they have not released a driver.
Vista is availble, legitimately, and why should I have to wait because someone is not part of MSDN nor received a copy from Microsoft for Beta testing correctly?
If I would have known, that no driver would have been available until January 30th, I would not have purchased the card when I did.
What if MS ships Vista, without the ability to connect to a network. Then told you, don't worry, we'll let you do it in 3 months. Are you ok with that?
Same situation.
I have been a Nvidia supporter and purchaser for the last 9 years. This is the worst I have seen from them, and will make me rethink my purchases in the future.
As I said, no one is right or wrong. Some don;t mind waiting to the 30th of January. But the fact is the software should have been there to support the hardware from the time the software was available. Which would be when Vista RTM'd, and the following days when MS made it available to it's channels.
CompUSA, Best Buy, et al do not make it available.
No on is right or wrong...
The bottom line is I purchased this card to use with Vista when it launched the hardware.
I feel Nvidia only addressed it when the outcry came upon them, and they hid behind the launch date of the 30th. If the Card is running real time at CES, I am even more upset that they have not released a driver.
Vista is availble, legitimately, and why should I have to wait because someone is not part of MSDN nor received a copy from Microsoft for Beta testing correctly?
If I would have known, that no driver would have been available until January 30th, I would not have purchased the card when I did.
What if MS ships Vista, without the ability to connect to a network. Then told you, don't worry, we'll let you do it in 3 months. Are you ok with that?
Same situation.
I have been a Nvidia supporter and purchaser for the last 9 years. This is the worst I have seen from them, and will make me rethink my purchases in the future.
As I said, no one is right or wrong. Some don;t mind waiting to the 30th of January. But the fact is the software should have been there to support the hardware from the time the software was available. Which would be when Vista RTM'd, and the following days when MS made it available to it's channels.
CompUSA, Best Buy, et al do not make it available.
Gamingphreek
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Originally posted by: apoppin
please take your own advice ... grow up
you are the only one capable of *trashing* your name
it is very clear that you are as one-sided as any poster can be ...
and yet you deny it
:roll:
and you seem to be *stuck* on the Fact that Vista is released and is available and nvidia g80 drivers are not
and somehow you feel *compelled* to stick up for them when they need no defense ...
other than they are "behind"
SO I assume you are sticking up for the "common good" then huh? Give me a break Apoppin, I am no more biased that anyone else on this forum. I'll buy whoever is best at the time so stop playing the biased fan boy card and, as I said earlier, get a real argument.
-Kevin
Gamingphreek
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No, it isn't. It's the full RTM version of Microsoft Vista Business edition which is now available for purchase.
Windows Vista Business
If you would like to read the MSDN Subscriptions weblog, here is the link as well.
http://blogs.msdn.com/msdnsubscriptions/default.aspx
This is the full, RTM version of Windows Vista Business. It's not a Beta or RC or anything else. Since you're an MSDN subscriber it should be easy for you to confirm this for yourself. The last Release Candidate released was RC2. There is no RC3.
Gamingphreek
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For Businesses through business channels. If you aren't an MSDN subscriber and do not represent a business than you have no leverage because you are not supposed to have Vista yet.
If you are:
A.)Business Representative
B.) MSDN Subscriber
Then by all means complain away. If not and you are like 99% of us here then don't complain because you aren't supposed to have a final version.
-Kevin
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