I need some help understand a few Democratic ideals...

[Moonbeam]

rudeguy: I'm looking for honest answers please.

First off remember that honest answers are about the last thing anybody wants.

1. Why is it ok for Dems to generalize and say that requiring a voter ID discriminates against minorities, arguing that minorities don't have money or transportation? If I were a minority, I would be very upset that some white guy in Washington DC was saying that I am broke and don't have a car.

M: Such an upset would be the result of self hate, the belief that money is the same thing as self worth. Secondly, despite what people may feel about accurate descriptions of their real condition, that upset changes nothing. It is a fact that these ID laws affect poor people. That's the only reason they are enacted. The scum with ideas unpopular to a majority often want to limit how many people vote. They only like democracy with the popular vote goes their way.

2. Illegal Aliens. The argument for the longest time has been that they do the jobs American workers won't. Aren't those jobs paying below minimum wage and illegal? I'm also curious how that theory works when so many of our jobs have moved to Mexico. We won't do the jobs with low pay but we should also move the jobs with higher pay to Mexico? I can't wrap my head around that.

Not complicated. Business and people who hire manual labor that can only be done here want hire illegals because they don't earn what American workers want to be paid. Factory jobs, on the other hand, can be done in foreign countries where everybody makes almost nothing.

3. Abortion. The argument I hear most is "If you don't want one, don't have one." OK...but if we put that theory into murder, then it would be ok to murder anyone. If you don't want to murder someone, then don't do it.

Exactly. Know, however that you may get the death penalty for murder but abortions are legal. This is why pro death to Mothers who get abortions, try to make them illegal.

4. Welfare/Social Security/Disability. Why do Democrats treat this as a God given right? Sure there should be some type of program in place in case you lose your job. That's already there. But why should I have to finance someone else's retirement? Why should I have to support 5 other families? Why should I have to support someone who doesn't want to work, so they find a doctor willing to write a bogus disability finding?

In case the person financed by others is you. These laws got passed because most people don't think like assholes.

5. These are the things I cannot understand. Please show me where my thinking is wrong or help me to understand them?

Now you will be able to see that you weren't really looking for honesty but for a chance to bitch. Facts won't correct your thinking at all because what you believe isn't thinking but the result of brainwashing, something that can only be cured by deep intention. The programmed have Stockholm Syndrome, and fall in love with their inculcated opinions.

 

[nehalem256]

Do you envy these welfare moms?

Seems like they have a pretty cushy job, right? Being in poverty with all these kids to raise and and EBT card. I bet they have AWESOME lives that we all can only dream of, I mean I can't imagine a more luxurious lifestyle than living in the projects or a trailer park with 6 screaming children and no car, job, or husband. They sure do have it made.

I sense a great deal of sarcasm there. Here is a question for you:

Considering that abortion is totally legal wouldn't that mean that these women on welfare are choosing to live in a trailer park with 6 screaming children and no car, job, or husband?

If such as lifestyle is so bad why are they choosing it? :hmm:

What responsibility? When you f*&@ do you enter into some faith-based contract with God that no-mater what happens the child you will carry for 9 months in your body has to be born?

Didn't think so. That issue literally has NOTHING to do with you. You are neither a fetus nor a woman so s-t-f-u!

So you are saying that children being born or not has no impact on men?

And its funny you start bringing up contracts. Because that is basically what people believe about men, but you don't see liberals crying about that: When a man has sex he enters into a contract to support the child... even if the woman lied about being on the pill or he is a 12 year old rape victim he needs to man up and take responsibility.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

so why is it that the reddest states suck at the governments teats the hardest?

 

[dank69]

This is why the OP should be posted in the Discussion Forum; you might actually get some thought-provoking replies in there. In P&N, Democrats are Stalin, Castro and North Korea rolled up into a tyrannical burrito of pure evil, which, while a fascinating image, is also so completely bereft of coherent thought that it's impossible to respond to. But that's how P&N rolls. Crazy begets crazy.

Tyrannical burrito of pure evil. Niiiice! :awe:

 

[zinfamous]

They also don't need food or medical care, but yet Democrats have no issue with programs to designed to give them such

medical care and food for fetuses that are never born? this is news to me.

what is hilarious, though, is the republican policy of forcing children born into poverty, then refusing to give them a hand, further exacerbating poverty and increasing the need for welfare.

"Here, you never deserved this life, but we're gonna go ahead and make it shittier for you. Welcome to hell!"

 

[Atomic Playboy]

medical care and food for fetuses that are never born? this is news to me.

what is hilarious, though, is the republican policy of forcing children born into poverty, then refusing to give them a hand, further exacerbating poverty and increasing the need for welfare.

"Here, you never deserved this life, but we're gonna go ahead and make it shittier for you. Welcome to hell!"

You would think that the Republican mantra of building yourself up from nothing and working hard to achieve success would go hand in hand with a 100% estate tax so that everyone comes into life with the exact same opportunities. It's odd that "you should have to work hard to be successful" has been married to "unless your ancestors already did, in which case, you win." But that's an unfair generalization for a different thread. :biggrin:

 

[nehalem256]

medical care and food for fetuses that are never born? this is news to me.

You never heard of WIC for pregnant women? You never heard of medicaid for pregnant women?

Seems to me libhadists are always assuring me that welfare programs exist for the children and not the mother. But in these cases they also claim there is no child so who are the welfare programs for?

what is hilarious, though, is the republican policy of forcing children born into poverty, then refusing to give them a hand, further exacerbating poverty and increasing the need for welfare.

Please show me where it is a position of the Democratic Party to object to poor women having children?

You would think that the Republican mantra of building yourself up from nothing and working hard to achieve success would go hand in hand with a 100% estate tax so that everyone comes into life with the exact same opportunities. It's odd that "you should have to work hard to be successful" has been married to "unless your ancestors already did, in which case, you win." But that's an unfair generalization for a different thread. :biggrin:

I would certainly be in favor of much higher estate tax. It certainly seems like the least objectionable tax to me.

 

[nehalem256]

so why is it that the reddest states suck at the governments teats the hardest?

For the same reason that blue states are more likely to have irresponsible financial institutions in them that threaten the global economy

 

[Zaap]

So let's recap:

A person who works hard, earns their own way, wants nothing from everyone else in exchange for being left the hell alone= greedy.

A person who's constantly in everyone else's business, wants everything given to them and thier beloved government out of the pockets of others, wants to circle the dead like vultures and rob their carcuses of everything a person ever earned, wants to dictate what everyone else can say/think/earn/drive/ how much energy the can use, what and how they access healthcare if at all, and works feverishly to empower out of control government tyrants= cornering the market on compassion.


ONLY in leftyloonland.

 

[boomerang]

so why is it that the reddest states suck at the governments teats the hardest?

Why is it that those who are most enamored with redistribution of wealth are the most concerned with this? You want to take from the rich to give to the poor but it appears you're only interested in taking from those you don't agree with politically to give to those that you do.

Fine. Now explain what you do when you run out of those to take from.

 

[zinfamous]

Seems to me libhadists are always assuring me that welfare programs exist for the children and not the mother. But in these cases they also claim there is no child so who are the welfare programs for?

Oh, you guys are just precious! Whenever a new phrase is coined to refer to your imbecilities, you immediately attempt to co-opt it, but always in a humorless and non-referential manner

 

[zinfamous]

So let's recap:

A person who works hard, earns their own way, wants nothing from everyone else in exchange for being left the hell alone= greedy.

nah. no problem with that. none whatsoever.

A person who's constantly in everyone else's business, wants everything given to them and thier beloved government out of the pockets of others, wants to circle the dead like vultures and rob their carcuses of everything a person ever earned, wants to dictate what everyone else can say/think/earn/drive/ how much energy the can use, what and how they access healthcare if at all, and works feverishly to empower out of control government tyrants= cornering the market on compassion.

ah the phantom generalizations. where did the liberal touch you?

granted, there are nutsos out there that would like to dictate such things, but the average liberal would like to see social change, if it needs to happen, based on data and sound judgement. If policy helps to adjust social change for everyone's benefit, all the better.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

ah the phantom generalizations. where did the liberal touch you?

granted, there are nutsos out there that would like to dictate such things, but the average liberal would like to see social change, if it needs to happen, based on data and sound judgement. If policy helps to adjust social change for everyone's benefit, all the better.

You must have missed it; his idea of a typical liberal is Stalin, Castro and Kim Jong-Il. In his mind, the only people who are liberal are literally communist dictators.

 

[compuwiz1]

Another democrat of our Welfare / Nanny state
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UREepszk7I

 

[compuwiz1]

Marxist dream. If you read this, you will see how to connect the dots and what the true agenda is. The fundamental transformation of America is well under way. Opinion, of course, but given what we have seen, it makes perfect sense.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/21/why-obamacare-is-fantastic-success/?intcmp=trending

 

[WhipperSnapper]

3. Abortion. The argument I hear most is "If you don't want one, don't have one." OK...but if we put that theory into murder, then it would be ok to murder anyone. If you don't want to murder someone, then don't do it.

I agree that that is a bad argument. What they should say instead, is:

"There is no such thing as a magic God-being that "breathes" a "soul" into a mindless cell mass at the time of conception. Stop being religious retards and realize that no personality exists inside of a fetus. It's brain isn't even developed yet! You cannot murder a non-existent person, therefore abortion is not murder. If you want to forsake reason and adopt a philosophy of religious lunacy, that is your freedom, but keep your filthy religion off of other people's bodies."

Unfortunately, it's rude to say that, so saying, "Don't have an abortion if you think it is murder," is more polite.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Marxist dream. If you read this, you will see how to connect the dots and what the true agenda is. The fundamental transformation of America is well under way. Opinion, of course, but given what we have seen, it makes perfect sense.

What kind of "Marxist Dream" has the top 5% owning the overwhelming majority of the wealth? If we were to evaluate how socialist or capitalist a nation were based on wealth concentration, has our nation become more socialist or more capitalist over time?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

You would think that the Republican mantra of building yourself up from nothing and working hard to achieve success would go hand in hand with a 100% estate tax so that everyone comes into life with the exact same opportunities. It's odd that "you should have to work hard to be successful" has been married to "unless your ancestors already did, in which case, you win." But that's an unfair generalization for a different thread. :biggrin:

The first rule of Lucky Sperm Club is that no one talks about Lucky Sperm Club.

 

[Siddhartha]

So let's recap:

A person who works hard, earns their own way, wants nothing from everyone else in exchange for being left the hell alone= greedy.

A person who's constantly in everyone else's business, wants everything given to them and thier beloved government out of the pockets of others, wants to circle the dead like vultures and rob their carcuses of everything a person ever earned, wants to dictate what everyone else can say/think/earn/drive/ how much energy the can use, what and how they access healthcare if at all, and works feverishly to empower out of control government tyrants= cornering the market on compassion.


ONLY in leftyloonland.

Did you go to public schools? Were your doctors, lawyers, etc trained in schools that were publically funded at some level? Have you ever called the police or fire department? Do you rely on the FDA and other Federal government departments for food and drug safety, environmental protection, worker safety protection, etc? Do you use the interstate road system?

Did Federal government departments help you when your community was wiped out by hurricanes, tornadoes, etc?

"Only in leftyloonland."

 

[compuwiz1]

What kind of "Marxist Dream" has the top 5% owning the overwhelming majority of the wealth? If we were to evaluate how socialist or capitalist a nation were based on wealth concentration, has our nation become more socialist or more capitalist over time?

First of all, did you read the article I posted? If you didn't, then don't discuss anything with me. If you did read it, kudos to you, for taking the time. The 5% is not our problem. If you are a liberal, you are our problem. You're never going to get that 5% money and even if you pushed to get it, they have enough money, where they could simply go somewhere else and live. They are never going to be a trophy catch for any of us. Why worry about them? They have more money combined than our government, but sorry, we're not taking it.

The only real money people the liberals are going to attempt to undermine, are those who have just a smidgen above the average mean income in this country. Those are the skilled workers, realtors, investors, car salesmen, doctors, nurses, mechanics, janitors and construction workers, as examples. So, the McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell, Motel 6 and Movie Theater Clerks, who have been working hard on their jobs since puberty, want to pull the carpet out from under the middle class, for the sake of having free health care...because those bastards up above owe you something.

Life is not fair. While we were all created equal, we are not all guaranteed equal opportunity. You must have the gumption and fire in you to go out and take what you believe you have coming to you. In other words, if you are worthy, you develop yourself into the caliber of person who earns more. The plight of the poor is a situation, a situation which can best be enabled by a welfare program. A welfare program does nothing to empower people to achieve anthing more than what they bought with their last check.....it really doesn't.

This country is enabling an increasing percentage of our population to be lazy quitters, relying on an ever enlarging government to take care of them. The Afordable Care Act is really a final breath of aid to the most unworthy, funded by those who get their butts out of the way, don't make excuses for their circumstances and go to work every day.

 

[AViking]

I'm looking for honest answers please.

1. Why is it ok for Dems to generalize and say that requiring a voter ID discriminates against minorities, arguing that minorities don't have money or transportation? If I were a minority, I would be very upset that some white guy in Washington DC was saying that I am broke and don't have a car.

Republicans are saying that we need voter ID laws due to voter fraud. The problem is that there is no voter fraud. There's been like 3 convictions and 300 cases. It's a non-issue.

Democrats are claiming that the real reason is disenfranchisement. I tend to agree with this point of view.

2. Illegal Aliens. The argument for the longest time has been that they do the jobs American workers won't. Aren't those jobs paying below minimum wage and illegal? I'm also curious how that theory works when so many of our jobs have moved to Mexico. We won't do the jobs with low pay but we should also move the jobs with higher pay to Mexico? I can't wrap my head around that.

I'm not sure which party has which position anymore tbh. I don't think it matters. We need some kind of reform. However I can tell you first hand that illegal aliens are doing jobs that others won't do. It's partly because the jobs are dirty, dangerous, and hard but it's also partly because they're jobs that lots of legal mexicans are doing and they get in through contacts. Getting a white guy to work with 50 mexicans listening to banda music all day long is never going to happen.

3. Abortion. The argument I hear most is "If you don't want one, don't have one." OK...but if we put that theory into murder, then it would be ok to murder anyone. If you don't want to murder someone, then don't do it.

You're being stupid. Abortion is not murder. This is a social issue that stems from religion. Some people believe that a clump of cells are a person. Others don't. Our government should not be telling people which one is right and trying to control women's bodies. Late term abortions are horrible and nobody would ever get one unless it was absolutely necessary.

4. Welfare/Social Security/Disability. Why do Democrats treat this as a God given right? Sure there should be some type of program in place in case you lose your job. That's already there. But why should I have to finance someone else's retirement? Why should I have to support 5 other families? Why should I have to support someone who doesn't want to work, so they find a doctor willing to write a bogus disability finding?

Because you live in a society that cares about people. You're the minority when it comes to a dog eat dog world. If you look at all the 1st world countries in the world the US sticks out like a sore thumb for the least amount of benefits. Our middle class is shrinking and our lower classes are growing. If that's what you want then keep beating that drum.


These are the things I cannot understand. Please show me where my thinking is wrong or help me to understand them?

See bolded.

 

[Siddhartha]

I'm looking for honest answers please.

1. Why is it ok for Dems to generalize and say that requiring a voter ID discriminates against minorities, arguing that minorities don't have money or transportation? If I were a minority, I would be very upset that some white guy in Washington DC was saying that I am broke and don't have a car.

Answer: Republican controlled state houses have implemented laws and rule and regulation changes with the purpose to make it harder to vote. The GOP benefits from lower voter turnout. A number of GOP officials have stated that suppression of Democrat voters was the reason for the voter I.D. laws.

2. Illegal Aliens. The argument for the longest time has been that they do the jobs American workers won't. Aren't those jobs paying below minimum wage and illegal? I'm also curious how that theory works when so many of our jobs have moved to Mexico. We won't do the jobs with low pay but we should also move the jobs with higher pay to Mexico? I can't wrap my head around that.

Answer: Legalizing immigrants would lead to more people earning minimum or higher wages, paying taxes, obeying laws, and becoming invested in the US as their country. This would reduce poverty. Poverty levels are directly related to violence and crime levels.

3. Abortion. The argument I hear most is "If you don't want one, don't have one." OK...but if we put that theory into murder, then it would be ok to murder anyone. If you don't want to murder someone, then don't do it.

Answer: There is a trade off between women controlling when they have children and fetus "rights". Women get sick and die from pregnancy and childbirth. Having children wanted and unwanted is, at all levels, expensive and can lead to povery. As I wrote earlier poverty is directly related to crime and violence.

It is not any of my or your business to decide this very personal issue.

4. Welfare/Social Security/Disability. Why do Democrats treat this as a God given right? Sure there should be some type of program in place in case you lose your job. That's already there. But why should I have to finance someone else's retirement? Why should I have to support 5 other families? Why should I have to support someone who doesn't want to work, so they find a doctor willing to write a bogus disability finding?

Answer: How a country and a culture treats the weakest and most vunerable segments of its population is an ethical and moral decision. It is hard to argue morality and ethics. If you are comfortable with people starving, being sick and dying from a lack of medical care that is on you. But the inherent societal costs of povery and the resultant crime and violence does affect directly everyone.

My family and a lot of US citizens have benefitted from the New Deal, Great Society, etc programs. If you are totally honest it would be hard or impossible to find anyone in the US who has not benefitted, at some level, from these programs. This is why I support them. I hope these systems are in place if I or you ever need them.

The country I want to live in takes care of everyone.

These are the things I cannot understand. Please show me where my thinking is wrong or help me to understand them?

I would guess you grew up during the Reagan Era and bought in on the Ayn Randian fantasy.

 

[Texashiker]

what is hilarious, though, is the republican policy of forcing children born into poverty, then refusing to give them a hand, further exacerbating poverty and increasing the need for welfare.

Care to explain how you got your education and your job?

Did you pay attention in school and work really hard? Did you make an effort to earn where you are today?

Or did you stand on the street corner holding a sign demanding the government give you a handout?

Nobody is "forcing" children to be born into poverty. This is a decision the parents made before the child was born.

It is called taking responsibility for your actions.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I agree that that is a bad argument. What they should say instead, is:

"There is no such thing as a magic God-being that "breathes" a "soul" into a mindless cell mass at the time of conception. Stop being religious retards and realize that no personality exists inside of a fetus. It's brain isn't even developed yet! You cannot murder a non-existent person, therefore abortion is not murder. If you want to forsake reason and adopt a philosophy of religious lunacy, that is your freedom, but keep your filthy religion off of other people's bodies."

Unfortunately, it's rude to say that, so saying, "Don't have an abortion if you think it is murder," is more polite.

Sentient human beings are disposable non-existent persons in your world and you have the audacity to denigrate those who think it's morally wrong to kill them...and do this while preaching about the sanctity of "other people's bodies"? The mental gymnastics one goes through to rationalize this kind of cognitive dissonance amazes me.

 

[nehalem256]

Nobody is "forcing" children to be born into poverty. This is a decision the parents made before the child was born.

I think you mean Mother. As according to Democrats it is entirely the woman's choice whether or not the child is born.

Funny though that you will never see Democrats blaming women for CHOOSING to bring a child into poverty.