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thraashman

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Do you have any fucking clue what this thread is about? Do you even know where you are?

Go take your government provided meds and stfu already!

It's nehalem. It's easier if you just mentally replace anything he says with one of the following 3 phrases.
"I have mental issues and I hate women"
"I have mental issues and I hate gays"
"I have mental issues and I hate minorities"

Because honestly, those of us who've read his posts know that everything he says boils down to one of those three things.
 

fskimospy

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I'm looking for honest answers please.

1. Why is it ok for Dems to generalize and say that requiring a voter ID discriminates against minorities, arguing that minorities don't have money or transportation? If I were a minority, I would be very upset that some white guy in Washington DC was saying that I am broke and don't have a car.

This is simply the reporting of factual information.

2. Illegal Aliens. The argument for the longest time has been that they do the jobs American workers won't. Aren't those jobs paying below minimum wage and illegal? I'm also curious how that theory works when so many of our jobs have moved to Mexico. We won't do the jobs with low pay but we should also move the jobs with higher pay to Mexico? I can't wrap my head around that.

While some of those positions pay below minimum wage and are definitely illegal, there are plenty of others that pay more in which migrant workers have also displaced US workers.

3. Abortion. The argument I hear most is "If you don't want one, don't have one." OK...but if we put that theory into murder, then it would be ok to murder anyone. If you don't want to murder someone, then don't do it.

Liberals don't view the termination of a nonviable pregnancy as murder. In fact if you think about it basically no one does, including conservatives. There is a severe disconnect between conservative rhetoric on abortion and their desired policies that cannot be reconciled.

4. Welfare/Social Security/Disability. Why do Democrats treat this as a God given right? Sure there should be some type of program in place in case you lose your job. That's already there. But why should I have to finance someone else's retirement? Why should I have to support 5 other families? Why should I have to support someone who doesn't want to work, so they find a doctor willing to write a bogus disability finding?

These are programs that make our society function better, at least to me it has nothing to do with rights.
 

fskimospy

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You obviously missed Obama's campaign website. Where for example he bragged about how single men would have to subsidize healthcare for strong independent single women thanks to Obamacare.

Or "Life of Julia" :hmm:

EDIT: Also, you won't see Democrats pushing for women to be able to "stick it to the man" for the same reason you won't find them pushing to outlaw slavery.

Can you go one thread without trying to turn it into a discussion of how much you hate women? Just one thread?

Why you haven't been banned yet is beyond me.
 
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Can you go one thread without trying to turn it into a discussion of how much you hate women? Just one thread?

Why you haven't been banned yet is beyond me.

If you're so concerned with his blather, put him on ignore. Makes it a lot easier to not respond.
 

brycejones

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Now to be complete this thread needs nostateofmind to rant about "statists" and Incorruptible to blame the Muslims.
 

nehalem256

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Liberals don't view the termination of a nonviable pregnancy as murder. In fact if you think about it basically no one does, including conservatives. There is a severe disconnect between conservative rhetoric on abortion and their desired policies that cannot be reconciled.

And this is no different than liberals not considering the fetus to be a person when it comes to vacuuming it out of mommy, but considering it to be a person when it comes to providing it with sustenance and medical care.
 

Exophase

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That bubble that I could probably get social security disability due to a history of metal illness, but I would rather work and contribute something to society.

It'd probably be very difficult for you to receive disability benefits given your long history of stable employment, presumably from the same employer no less. It's there to help people who can't keep jobs down, not people who have any kind of mental or physical health issue. And while I'm sure fraud does happen, on average it's much harder to get it than you think it is. They'll reject you straight out if you have anything in a bank account and are receiving a paycheck from anyone for anything. I know someone who got automatically denied because I gave them money to try to help them.
 

fskimospy

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And this is no different than liberals not considering the fetus to be a person when it comes to vacuuming it out of mommy, but considering it to be a person when it comes to providing it with sustenance and medical care.

No it doesn't. I'm not going to discuss this with you again, you're too irrational when it comes to women.
 

fskimospy

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It'd probably be very difficult for you to receive disability benefits given your long history of stable employment, presumably from the same employer no less. It's there to help people who can't keep jobs down, not people who have any kind of mental or physical health issue. And while I'm sure fraud does happen, on average it's much harder to get it than you think it is. They'll reject you straight out if you have anything in a bank account and are receiving a paycheck from anyone for anything. I know someone who got automatically denied because I gave them money to try to help them.

Yes, this. Social Security Disability is extraordinarily hard to get. If you've ever known someone who had to go through the process it is pretty crazy. Too hard IMO.
 

Texashiker

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Texashiker, nehalem has already won the award for stupidest poster in this thread, you can stop competing. Nice effort though, you would win the award with that post in any thread that nehalem doesn't post.

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Thank you, thank you very much.

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Theb

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It's nehalem. It's easier if you just mentally replace anything he says with one of the following 3 phrases.
"I have mental issues and I hate women"
"I have mental issues and I hate gays"
"I have mental issues and I hate minorities"

Because honestly, those of us who've read his posts know that everything he says boils down to one of those three things.

This is the reason he's the only user on my ignore list. All of his posts are the same post.
 

Theb

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I'm looking for honest answers please.

1. Why is it ok for Dems to generalize and say that requiring a voter ID discriminates against minorities, arguing that minorities don't have money or transportation? If I were a minority, I would be very upset that some white guy in Washington DC was saying that I am broke and don't have a car.

Minorities are more likely to be poor and lack transportation. They can be upset when people say that but it won't make it less true.

2. Illegal Aliens. The argument for the longest time has been that they do the jobs American workers won't. Aren't those jobs paying below minimum wage and illegal? I'm also curious how that theory works when so many of our jobs have moved to Mexico. We won't do the jobs with low pay but we should also move the jobs with higher pay to Mexico? I can't wrap my head around that.

The problems associated with illegal immigration are overblown. They steps that would need to be taken to completely seal the southern border are too extreme. The illegal immigrants I've met are honest, hard working people just trying to get ahead. The ones I've known would make great Americans.

As far as illegally paying low wages, I don't think that's widely supported or an opinion that can be laid solely at the feet of Democrats.

3. Abortion. The argument I hear most is "If you don't want one, don't have one." OK...but if we put that theory into murder, then it would be ok to murder anyone. If you don't want to murder someone, then don't do it.

That arguement wouldn't work for murder, but I don't view abortion as murder so, um...

I think working to reduce the number of abortions performed is a noble goal if someone is working towards that by trying to reduce the things that cause unwanted pregnancies and/or pregnancies to be unwanted. These approaches would have the added advantage of actually being productive.

I think the people who work towards forcing abortions back underground and scream at people in front of clinics are probably more interested in slut shaming than actually being productive.

4. Welfare/Social Security/Disability. Why do Democrats treat this as a God given right? Sure there should be some type of program in place in case you lose your job. That's already there. But why should I have to finance someone else's retirement? Why should I have to support 5 other families? Why should I have to support someone who doesn't want to work, so they find a doctor willing to write a bogus disability finding?

I think that a social safety is an important thing for a civilized country to have. I do think there is room for tapered cuts and fraud prevention/detection is important.

These are the things I cannot understand. Please show me where my thinking is wrong or help me to understand them?

HTH
 
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TreVader

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Texashiker, nehalem has already won the award for stupidest poster in this thread, you can stop competing. Nice effort though, you would win the award with that post in any thread that nehalem doesn't post.

lol
 

TreVader

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Welfare moms with a bunch of kids could get a grant.



Abortion is hiding from responsibility.

Do you envy these welfare moms?

Seems like they have a pretty cushy job, right? Being in poverty with all these kids to raise and and EBT card. I bet they have AWESOME lives that we all can only dream of, I mean I can't imagine a more luxurious lifestyle than living in the projects or a trailer park with 6 screaming children and no car, job, or husband. They sure do have it made.


What responsibility? When you f*&@ do you enter into some faith-based contract with God that no-mater what happens the child you will carry for 9 months in your body has to be born?

Didn't think so. That issue literally has NOTHING to do with you. You are neither a fetus nor a woman so s-t-f-u!
 

Zaap

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Most liberal Democrats are self-centered, greedy, government-worshiping assholes who hide their greedy desire to take other people's money behind the phony pretense that "It's for the children!"

They want to be floated by wealth redistribution, taking what someone else has, giving to Dear Leader whom they believe will give to them, the more the merrier, and they think they're fooling everyone by hiding this behind fake concern for poor people and minorities. That's just page 1, chapter 1, paragraph 1, rule 1 from their playbook- accuse everyone who calls them out on their hypocrisy racist, try to shut down all debate.

The only thing any spoiled brat liberal really wants from the poor and minorities is guaranteed votes for Democrats and big government. They are to be used for issues like the left's desire to flood minority neighborhoods with illegal aliens, rig elections and oppose common sense voter ID laws. (Remember, just yell racism, shut down the debate, get what the left wants.)

Beyond that, they believe any minority's role is to rot in some ghetto somewhere, out of sight, out of mind. Anyone who doubts this, witness the absolute rage, venom and outright racist hatred the left has for any minority that dares step out of the poor/dependent/votes D-party and swallows everything hard left hook line and sinker stereotype. Absolute racist hatred the left has for any minority that dares not to 'know their role'.

As for welfare, again, that's their carrot they want forever dangled to those they want to keep poor and helpless and 'in their place'. Dear Leader takes from those that are undeserving, and gives to those that the left wants to pander to. Any attempt to wreck that gravy train is also met with all the usual tactics of the left: scream racism, shut down all debate, claim its for the children, claim the whole world will come to an end if you don't do what the left wants (witness their environmental doomsday religion) and basically use the power of big government to overwhelm, dominate, and control the populace.

Most liberal Democrats' dream come true for society is a mix somewhere between Stalin's USSR, Castro's Cuba and North Korea. To get there, they sell a vision of utopian paradise to all the sheeple, the same as statist nitwits have always done. (Just read the Soviet constitution- it pretty much reads like the Democrat Party platform). Results? Leftists neither know or care how great its worked out the last time their stupid ideas were tried- they (like all the utopian nitwits before them) think they know everything. THIS time, they'll do it right. So just shut up and let Dear Leader and the NSA do what's best to you.
 

Texashiker

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Do you envy these welfare moms?

Seems like they have a pretty cushy job, right? Being in poverty with all these kids to raise and and EBT card. I bet they have AWESOME lives that we all can only dream of, I mean I can't imagine a more luxurious lifestyle than living in the projects or a trailer park with 6 screaming children and no car, job, or husband. They sure do have it made.

Take responsibility for your actions, learn a trade, or go to college and support those kids.

But either way, get off welfare.

You are neither a fetus nor a woman so s-t-f-u!

I pay my taxes and I vote. So I have a right to voice my opinion.
 
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Most liberal Democrats' dream come true for society is a mix somewhere between Stalin's USSR, Castro's Cuba and North Korea. To get there, they sell a vision of utopian paradise to all the sheeple, the same as statist nitwits have always done. (Just read the Soviet constitution- it pretty much reads like the Democrat Party platform). Results? Leftists neither know or care how great its worked out the last time their stupid ideas were tried- they (like all the utopian nitwits before them) think they know everything. THIS time, they'll do it right. So just shut up and let Dear Leader and the NSA do what's best to you.

This is why the OP should be posted in the Discussion Forum; you might actually get some thought-provoking replies in there. In P&N, Democrats are Stalin, Castro and North Korea rolled up into a tyrannical burrito of pure evil, which, while a fascinating image, is also so completely bereft of coherent thought that it's impossible to respond to. But that's how P&N rolls. Crazy begets crazy.
 

TreVader

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It must suck to be losing in every public national opinion available by a 10 point margin. The only reason the GOP has any influence at all is the re-districting the governors did to gerrymander their weasely GOP cronies into Congressional office. Guess how long that will last?


Every day for every 10 republicans that die 8 are born. And for every 10 democrats that die 12 are born. You can't win, period. You're party will only exist in high school textbooks before 2030 rolls around.
 

2timer

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Honest answers:

"Why is it ok for Dems to generalize and say that requiring a voter ID discriminates against minorities"
Democratic politicians have never claimed that voter ID laws discriminate exclusively against minorities, but since that is generally the case, then it's understandable why they say so.
The argument for the longest time has been that illegal aliens do the jobs American workers won't.
Honest answer: Clearly that's a simplification of the entire immigration issue. Do you have a question here?

Aren't those jobs paying below minimum wage and illegal?
Many jobs which pay below minimum wage are in agriculture and seasonal. They have to do with harvesting and planting, and those jobs aren't tied to minimum wage laws.

Abortion. The argument I hear most is "If you don't want one, don't have one." OK...but if we put that theory into murder, then it would be ok to murder anyone. If you don't want to murder someone, then don't do it.
Honest answer: What "democratic ideal" exactly does this question reference? Democrats are mainly pro choice, and the "if you don't want one don't have one" statement is more pro life. Frankly, I don't understand what you are asking.

Welfare/Social Security/Disability. Why do Democrats treat this as a God given right?
Honest answer: I agree that Democrats are too lenient on welfare and welfare abuse. It's a bad thing and part of the party that ought to be reformed.
 
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