I live in a country that puts babies in cages

[K1052]

Trump told the press pool that he was going to sign something. Exactly what that something is remains unclear.

 

[snoopy7548]

Trump told the press pool that he was going to sign something. Exactly what that something is remains unclear.

And then he'll brag that he ended the inhumane treatment of children enacted by the Obama administration.

 

[brycejones]

Trump told the press pool that he was going to sign something. Exactly what that something is remains unclear.

Boobies, he was looking for some boobies to sign.

 

[cytg111]

The $64 question here is "Will Democrats support legislation to actually fix the problem?" I say no.

Should they give Trump the wall in return for the children?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Trump told the press pool that he was going to sign something. Exactly what that something is remains unclear.

Exactly what that something is remains unclear to Trump as well. He is still looking for someone to read it to him.

 

[zinfamous]

By doing what, declaring open borders? That anyone with a kid gets a free pass? !@#$ that. All illegal crossings must be detained.

I agree on keeping families together, but that'd require a massive undertaking where we organize and fund the construction of refugee camps capable of hosting 300 new kids (and their parents) each day. Given the families involved, we'd need the capacity to house 1,000 new people EACH DAY. That is an incredibly large scale and I doubt we already have the resources allocated to get that done today. AKA, it takes legislation to prevent.

Speaking of prevention, a wall would also stop almost all them from crossing over in the first place. Also needs a bill to fund.

Yes, there are ways for Democrats to work with Republicans to end this.



Was it lawful when families were separated under Obama? Today is simply an increase in the detention of illegals. Nothing new.

2014 during a media tour of an Obama-era detention facilities in Brownsville, Texas, and Nogales, Arizona.

You're making the conservative argument, which confuses what is lawful with what is an actual law. Trump is arguing that he is merely "enforcing law"--that he has no choice. This is an abject lie, because there is no law that compels him to act in this way. Full stop. It's why previous administrations refused to enforce this, because they did't have to. The Flores decision, which Trump is citing, allows them to proceed in these monstrous ways because the precedent has the power of law, but it is not law. This distinction is important: it is the different between being compelled to do something (law), and having the authorization to do so as the action is determined by court to be lawful (precedent).

This is only happening because Trump is a cocksucking piece of shit.

LOL at DailyCaller link, you noob. I love how they superimpose Obama's face over that well-documented image. I see that it has you convinced, though.

The Obama administration did establish these holding areas for migrants and asylum seekers, because the crossings in 2014 were unprecedented. Families were not separated, however. That is a lie. The problem is that when you separate children from adults, Adults can, by law, process expediently through the system and in the matter of a day or two, be deported if that is the decision. Children, however, are intentionally placed into a longer waiting period, which is very expensive and the intent being to ensure proper diligence. I think the minimum time for release/decision is 2 weeks. Holding them together as a family does not instantly separate them into two different legal paths with all but ensures these kids will be lost from their parents. Reconnecting after the parents have been deported is generally considered unlikely, and if they are granted stay in the US, it will almost certainly never happen.

 

[cytg111]

And then he'll brag that he ended the inhumane treatment of children enacted by the Obama administration.

And almost eaten by space demon Crooket Hillary.... But yea, that is a 100% gurantee.

 

[zinfamous]

Their intentions are clear...politicize the hell out of this issue and not lift a finger to fix it. This is their golden goose for the upcoming November elections.

wow, look at how thoroughly gaslighted you are! This was a proud Trump piece of policy that both he and Sessions announced to the world--you know, it's thoroughly documented--but of course you believe this is a Democratic strategy to play politics. It's all the democrat's fault, even when Trump proudly claims it!

jesus christ you people are irreparably stupid.

Tell me, how many of your family members has Trump already shot to death in front of you? Obviously you still don't care...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump told the press pool that he was going to sign something. Exactly what that something is remains unclear.

An autographed Tweet?

Funny, this was Democrats, no EO could fix this, and it was the law and had to be. Of course that was a couple of hours ago. Of course the Dems will be at fault and everything else will likely change.

 

[K1052]

An autographed Tweet?

Funny, this was Democrats, no EO could fix this, and it was the law and had to be. Of course that was a couple of hours ago. Of course the Dems will be at fault and everything else will likely change.

Reportedly the order will require families to be detained together at DoD sites.

Though this runs into problems if the DOJ still intends to criminally charge the parents. Flores requires children to be held in the lest restrictive environment possible. What is effectively a federal prison on a military base prolly not going to cut the mustard in court I think...

 

[Noah Abrams]

This gives context and details about the audio recordings that have been released, including the reporter who got it from a lawyer. Puts things in more perspective. It was very hard to watch and listen, so please only do so if you think you can. But I think every American should

 

[UNCjigga]

Listening to Trump's "debate?" or whatever on the radio..he promised to sign an EO allowing families to stay together. Then he proceeded to:

- Blame Schumer and Democrats for reneging on the DACA immigration bill (WTF?)
- Blamed Obama's DACA decision for stopping progress on comprehensive immigration reform (no, the goal was to get Congress to do something about it!)

He just can't keep all the lies straight anymore.

 

[blackangst1]

first:

he's not enforcing law. There is no law that he is enforcing. please challenge me on that claim

second:

ask yourself: how is this not specific policy, if as you claim, previous administrations were not "bound to enforce 'law'"?

third:

do you fucking understand basic civics?

These are all honest questions. One hopes that you are appropriately challenged by these questions, and address them honestly and fairly.

I understand it is a policy decision as there is nothing in current law which REQUIRES what is happening. Its interpretation, and I get that. Nevertheless, the law allows this action. However, this will change today.

 

[Commodus]

I can't help but imagine the Republicans practically begging Trump to change his mind lest he manage to torpedo their chances in the mid-terms (any more than he has already, that is). It might be too late, though. If the order does what it should, that'll be good... but even then, Democrats will have something they can lord over Republicans through the election and beyond.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

wow, look at how thoroughly gaslighted you are! This was a proud Trump piece of policy that both he and Sessions announced to the world--you know, it's thoroughly documented--but of course you believe this is a Democratic strategy to play politics. It's all the democrat's fault, even when Trump proudly claims it!

jesus christ you people are irreparably stupid.

Tell me, how many of your family members has Trump already shot to death in front of you? Obviously you still don't care...

I never endorsed this policy and I'm not defending it. jesus christ you people are irreparably stupid.

I've been crystal clear that I want this problem fixed. I don't care how it gets fixed, it shouldn't be hard, but it needs to be done as soon as possible. But God forbid that I point out Democratic hypocrisy on this issue.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So this is not possible to fix yesterday, it's the law. Today? Magic!

 

[SMOGZINN]

I never endorsed this policy and I'm not defending it. jesus christ you people are irreparably stupid.

I've been crystal clear that I want this problem fixed. I don't care how it gets fixed, it shouldn't be hard, but it needs to be done as soon as possible. But God forbid that I point out Democratic hypocrisy on this issue.

You call everyone else stupid while calling on the only people in Washington with no power to do something about this.

 

[fskimospy]

I never endorsed this policy and I'm not defending it. jesus christ you people are irreparably stupid.

I've been crystal clear that I want this problem fixed. I don't care how it gets fixed, it shouldn't be hard, but it needs to be done as soon as possible. But God forbid that I point out Democratic hypocrisy on this issue.

Trump took small children as political hostages in order to get political concessions from Democrats. This was his choice and his choice alone.

If you aren't blaming Trump specifically and Republicans generally you are fucking up.

 

[glenn1]

Reportedly the order will require families to be detained together at DoD sites.

That works too. If push comes to shove SCOTUS will nuke the earlier settlement about longer term detention of children. You didn't want kids to be separated so here you go.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump took small children as political hostages in order to get political concessions from Democrats. This was his choice and his choice alone.

If you aren't blaming Trump specifically and Republicans generally you are fucking up.

Republicans should be outraged. Trump just broke the law with an EO he said the other day he couldn't do! IMPEACH!

 

[K1052]

That works too. If push comes to shove SCOTUS will nuke the earlier settlement about longer term detention of children. You didn't want kids to be separated so here you go.

Don’t count your cases until they are decided.

 

[glenn1]

Don’t count your cases until they are decided.

So you're betting against a GOP POTUS, GOP held both houses of Congress, and a SCOTUS with a 5-4 balance? And your Plan B is that Democrats win a veto proof supermajority in November? Hope you have a good Plan C handy because you certainly are working a huge inside strait here trying to get things to revert back to status quo ante of catch and release.

 

[fskimospy]

So you're betting against a GOP POTUS, GOP held both houses of Congress, and a SCOTUS with a 5-4 balance? And your Plan B is that Democrats win a veto proof supermajority in November? Hope you have a good Plan C handy because you certainly are working a huge inside strait here trying to get things to revert back to status quo ante of catch and release.

Keeping the children detained indefinitely would violate the consent decree the federal government is a party to.

 

[zerocool84]

I never endorsed this policy and I'm not defending it. jesus christ you people are irreparably stupid.

I've been crystal clear that I want this problem fixed. I don't care how it gets fixed, it shouldn't be hard, but it needs to be done as soon as possible. But God forbid that I point out Democratic hypocrisy on this issue.

There is a zero hipocrisy on this. You and your party have been trying to use this as ransom to get what you want. And obviously Trump has been able to stop it, he just hasn't wanted to because he's obviously signing an executive order right now.

 

[cytg111]

I never endorsed this policy and I'm not defending it. jesus christ you people are irreparably stupid.

I've been crystal clear that I want this problem fixed. I don't care how it gets fixed, it shouldn't be hard, but it needs to be done as soon as possible. But God forbid that I point out Democratic hypocrisy on this issue.

No hypocrisy. Sad.