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I live in a country that puts babies in cages

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Hayabusa Rider said:
I demand intelligence and response as appropriate whether is is now or in the future. More than that I can understand doing some things now and planning and acting in the middle and long term as well.

The difference between you and I is that I wouldn't encourage MLK to take baby steps and not make a fuss.
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Again, I didn't say we should take baby steps, I said I understand that change happens incrementally.

Do you have a problem arguing what I actually say or are you taking the role of the disingenuous poster?
 
IronWing said:
In real life it’s a good thing but it makes for bad TV.
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There were a lot of shows during that timeframe trying to bring knowledge to the traditional American audiences, specifically that people that looked different from you weren't to be feared and hated. In the case of all in the family, this was done by taking someone relatable (even if he was the extreme 'crazy uncle') and then having him go through the intended transformation that the audience should be going through, based on the writers intent. It's pretty much identical to kids stories about learning to do x, how not to do y, etc.
 
ivwshane said:
Again, I didn't say we should take baby steps, I said I understand that change happens incrementally.

Do you have a problem arguing what I actually say or are you taking the role of the disingenuous poster?
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Actually you just like to argue. How many times have you offered solutions, or potential ones of your own? You complain about people who do. You've really nothing to offer so keep going. If it give you some weird satisfaction, do so indeed.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Actually you just like to argue. How many times have you offered solutions, or potential ones of your own? You complain about people who do. You've really nothing to offer so keep going. If it give you some weird satisfaction, do so indeed.
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And there is the deflection.
 
Incorruptible said:
STFU You son a fucking bitch, You're nothing but a cuck who just stood by and watched you sick bastard. Get your head out of your wifes ass. Either show proof I am a republican or take down the false statement. Since my time on P&N I have always been a Classical Liberal. Now go back to defending child molestors you pathetic excuse for a human being.
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lol! fuck off you ignorant, lying coward. You wouldn't know a liberal if 10 of them fellated you right now.
 
glenn1 said:
So that’s your problem then, the legal bases for asylum have been the same in U.S. and international law and “gangs are bothering me” is not, nor ever has been one of them (race, religion, nationality, political opinion, social group membership). If you got in earlier than 3 weeks ago on something other than one of those 5 then I guess congrats, our government didn’t follow its own law. That’s no reason to continue to not follow the law going forward however.
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but you still support Trumps separation of children policy because you think it is law.

It isn't law.

You have been shown that it isn't law, and you ran away like a little bitch. You have been informed that there is nothing in the law compelling Trump to do this, but he does it anyway, and you defend it because you like being lied to. You enjoy being ignorant. You enjoy sounding like a fool and presenting yourself in public as a fool, if only to espouse your hateful, bigoted views on humanity.

Why is it that you care about the law but then you don't?
 
BoomerD said:
Just because their home countries have become crime-filled shitholes controlled by the drug cartels, that shouldn’t qualify as a valid reason for refugee status...

They’re illegal immigrants. PERIOD, and as such, subject to the immigration laws of the USA.
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You do know that MS13 is a US-born-and-based gang, right?
 
UNCjigga said:
Newsflash, this isn't just happening along the Mexican border. Looks like Christians and Sikhs fleeing persecution in India are also being separated from their children and detained in...Oregon? I guess we're done with asylum then?

Over 50 Indians have been separated from their families and detained in the US
The Donald Trump administration’s controversial new border policy has led to at least 70 south Asian asylum-seekers being detained at a federal prison in the state of Oregon in the US’s Pacific northwest.

Out of the 123 immigrants that were transfered to the facility over the past month, 52 are reportedly Indian, mainly Sikhs and Christians who say they are fleeing religious persecution, according to a report in The Oregonian newspaper. The group also includes 13 immigrants from Nepal and two from Bangladesh. The rest come from Mexico, Brazil, and China, among other countries.

https://qz.com/1308934/over-50-indian-immigrants-detained-under-trumps-family-separation-policy/
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Oh, I'm sure Trumptardia will wake up as soon as they see Christians being persecuted...well, until they notice that some of those Christians are brown. Must be fake crisis-acting Christians!
 
From that noted left wing organization, the US Chamber of Commerce:

Separating Children from Families Must End Now

Jun 19, 2018 - 10:45am
Thomas J. Donohue
President and CEO, U.S. Chamber of Commerce


"Thousands of children are being forcibly removed from their parents by our government. There is no other way to say it, this is not who we are and it must end now."

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"It is not just that America is a nation of immigrants – it is that since our founding we have embraced certain core values. One of those values is that children should not be punished for the crimes of their parents. Yet, today, government policy is running in direct contradiction to that value."

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"Parents are being told if they plead guilty and drop any claim of asylum they can be reunited more quickly with their children. The administration adopted this policy as a way of deterring illegal entry into the U.S. Some administration officials reportedly view the policy of separating children from their parents as leverage to gain other immigration policy changes from Congress.

Let that sink in for a second: our government is forcibly separating children – including toddlers – from their parents and sending them to detention facilities as a means of sending a message and influencing Congress."

Surely a nation as big, generous, and compassionate as the United States can find a way to prevent separating children from their parents at the border. If we can’t agree on that, then we can’t agree on anything.

Now let me be clear, this doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t secure our border and enforce our immigration laws. Individuals entering the United States illegally should be returned to their home country, but that does not require separating children from parents."

https://www.uschamber.com/series/above-the-fold/separating-children-families-must-end-now
 
Well sounds like Trump might have done more damage than good during his meeting. Refused to take any questions. Ridiculed Mark Sanford in front of everyone for some reason. Rep Will Hurd whose district includes the largest swath of the border was immediately out on CNN calling the admin out as being able to stop this immediately. He just toured the new tent city in Tornillo before coming in for the meeting.

He also apparently told him his daughter told him to stop it and knows the images are bad. No shit genius!
 
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Surrogate strategy may be turning into more of a liability than an asset...


https://twitter.com/passantino/status/1009220051172495361



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MomentsofSanity said:
Holy shit. These people are just fucking shameless.
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I think the problem is they are trying to play the Trump game but don’t actually know how to do it. They know they are supposed to say shitty things to pwn the libs but they don’t know how to play the ‘who, me?’ game.
 
https://www.elle.com/culture/career...ren-separated-from-parents-us-border-stories/

Antar Davidson, who quit his position as a youth care worker at a shelter in Arizona this week, told the Los Angeles Times his coworkers told him to pass on a message to three Brazilian children: “Tell them they can’t hug.” The children were told their parents were “lost,” and they thought that meant dead, so they were “huddled together, tears streaming down their faces,” Davidson said.

Davidson also told the Los Angeles Times some children at the shelter were screaming, throwing furniture, running away, and even attempting suicide. Records reportedly showed several children were being monitored for being at risk of self-harm.

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According to the LA Times the Texas Civil Rights Project and public defenders have recalled several cases of parents who say they were told their kids were going to get a bath at a processing center, only to never be reunited with their parents.

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The Washington Post reports that on May 13, Marco Antonio Muñoz died by apparent suicide in a Texas jail. He had been separated from his wife and child after migrating from Honduras. An anonymous Border Patrol agent told the newspaper Muñoz suffered a mental breakdown after being separated from his family, becoming visibly agitated. After his death, his wife and son were released from Border Patrol custody, but it's unclear where they are now.

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Michelle Brane, director of migrant rights at the Women’s Refugee Commission, told The Associated Press she met a 16-year-old girl at the Ursula facility in South Texas who had to teach other kids to change a young girl’s diaper; the teen had been taking care of the little girl, for three days. After a lawyer spoke up, the girl was reunited with her aunt. "She was so traumatized that she wasn't talking," Brane said. "She was just curled up in a little ball."

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glenn1 said:
Just means his deportation happened about 15 years later than it should have.
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Well, you should be thankful to be alive. It's so special the no foreigner hating government didn't use your direct relatives as political pawns and send them back to the shithole country they were so desperate to leave. Your just so special to be born here or even at all, especially if your relatives met the same fate as that kid did in his home country. You either would not exist or you might be some pinko progressive growing up in Europe. Aren't you special!
 
Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-TX) on Monday delivered a heartbreaking report about what he’s seen so far in detention facilities where the Trump administration is keeping immigrant children who have been separated from their parents.
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“The youngest child (boy) I’ve seen here so far who was separated from his family is 8 months old and has been here over a month, according to administrators,” Castro wrote.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/de...immigrant-child-whos-separated-parents-weeks/
 
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