I live in a country that puts babies in cages

[BoomerD]

This is what Obama did and he was the deporter in chief actually.

l don't have a problem with that. The USA, as a nation, has the right to establish immigration laws and the responsibility to enforce those laws...as well as both the right AND the responsibility to pick and choose who gets in...and who gets turned away. We should be encouraging immigration of people who will make the country better...doctors, engineers, scientists, educated people...but not in such huge numbers that it displaces native workers. Unchecked immigration of unskilled workers creates a drain on the lower paying jobs that many Americans might not WANT, but have because, for one reason or another, are all they're qualified to do.

 

[cytg111]

l don't have a problem with that. The USA, as a nation, has the right to establish immigration laws and the responsibility to enforce those laws...as well as both the right AND the responsibility to pick and choose who gets in...and who gets turned away. We should be encouraging immigration of people who will make the country better...doctors, engineers, scientists, educated people...but not in such huge numbers that it displaces native workers. Unchecked immigration of unskilled workers creates a drain on the lower paying jobs that many Americans might not WANT, but have because, for one reason or another, are all they're qualified to do.

Thats not entirely fair either.
You can concieve of a systemic infrastructure that is incapable of producing said talent by it self but by design gives existing talent better superior conditions, thereby indirectly becoming a parasitic entity that is siphoning the talent from the rest of the planet that it is unable to produce it self.
If supply and demand of a given talent finds a nation in short stock of a specific skill it should be said nations obligation to restructure to increase output of said talent.. Like investing in education.

 

[esquared]

Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. Seriously cannot make shit like this up.

"Donald Trump Jr. Likes Tweet Suggesting Children Separated From Parents at Border Are Crisis Actors"
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...children-separated-parents-border-are-981126?

"Trump Jr. liked the tweet from right-wing website Breitbart, which quoted conservative pundit Ann Coulter’s warning not to fall for “actor children,” amid criticism of the Trump administration’s policy of separating parents from their children at the border."

 

[Victorian Gray]

And Vladi has a vodka and does a little happy dance.

 

[Aegeon]

IMO, the best thing would be to house the kids with the parents (or at least the mother if possible) until they’re deported...which should happen post haste.

The problem is this clearly used to be the policy under Obama and even Republican Presidents, its specifically Trump who suddenly changed this. (With Trump clearly specifically making an administrative decision to change the policy rather than actually being forced to by law or the like.)

 

[IJTSSG]

There seems to be good, if not a little dated, information on this website:
https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...n-arriving-border-laws-policies-and-responses

If these stats are true, maybe these programs are worth expanding:

Can alternatives to detention be used for families?
Yes. ICE operates two alternatives to detention (ATD) programs for adult detainees—a “full service” program with case management, supervision, and monitoring (either by GPS or telephone check-in), and a “technology-only” program with monitoring only. According to U.S. government data, 95 percent of participants in ICE’s full service program appeared at scheduled court hearings from fiscal years 2011 to 2013. Further, in FY 2012 only 4 percent were arrested by another law enforcement agency. ICE’s alternatives program, as well as being more humane, is also less expensive than detention—$10.55/day as opposed to $158/day. As to asylum seekers, a prior U.S. government-commissioned study found that “asylum seekers do not need to be detained to appear,” and “[t]hey also do not seem to need intensive supervision.” Bipartisan support has emerged for alternatives to immigration detention. ICE, in early 2015, issued requests for proposals for “family case management services” for up to 300 families apiece in Baltimore/Washington, NYC/Newark, Miami, Chicago and Los Angeles.

 

[cytg111]

I sense constructive bipartisan discussion in P/N... Obviously I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere!

 

[MomentsofSanity]

There seems to be good, if not a little dated, information on this website:
https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...n-arriving-border-laws-policies-and-responses

If these stats are true, maybe these programs are worth expanding:

Can alternatives to detention be used for families?
Yes. ICE operates two alternatives to detention (ATD) programs for adult detainees—a “full service” program with case management, supervision, and monitoring (either by GPS or telephone check-in), and a “technology-only” program with monitoring only. According to U.S. government data, 95 percent of participants in ICE’s full service program appeared at scheduled court hearings from fiscal years 2011 to 2013. Further, in FY 2012 only 4 percent were arrested by another law enforcement agency. ICE’s alternatives program, as well as being more humane, is also less expensive than detention—$10.55/day as opposed to $158/day. As to asylum seekers, a prior U.S. government-commissioned study found that “asylum seekers do not need to be detained to appear,” and “[t]hey also do not seem to need intensive supervision.” Bipartisan support has emerged for alternatives to immigration detention. ICE, in early 2015, issued requests for proposals for “family case management services” for up to 300 families apiece in Baltimore/Washington, NYC/Newark, Miami, Chicago and Los Angeles.

It seems a no brainer here that the admin is on the wrong track. There's no positive to what they are doing. The argument of it being a deterrent really doesn't hold up. We are talking about desperate people fleeing what they feel is for their lives. This won't counter that.

Hopefully those on the right can start raising their voices more than they already are. There is nothing about this current policy that benefits anyone.

 

[boomerang]

It seems a no brainer here that the admin is on the wrong track. There's no positive to what they are doing. The argument of it being a deterrent really doesn't hold up. We are talking about desperate people fleeing what they feel is for their lives. This won't counter that.

Hopefully those on the right can start raising their voices more than they already are. There is nothing about this current policy that benefits anyone.

What laws that pertain to this situation should our federal government ignore that would give an outcome you'd be happy with? Please be specific.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

What laws that pertain to this situation should our federal government ignore that would give an outcome you'd be happy with? Please be specific.

What law exists that binds them to the action they are taking?

How about they live up to the 1980 Refugee Act for starters when it comes to those seeking asylum. They aren't even allowing them to get to an entry point to request it.

 

[ivwshane]

What laws that pertain to this situation should our federal government ignore that would give an outcome you'd be happy with? Please be specific.

How about not separating families for people who have been charged with a misdemeanor? You know, like all previous administrations were able to do.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What laws that pertain to this situation should our federal government ignore that would give an outcome you'd be happy with? Please be specific.

Do you still beat your wife?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Even Fox is "revolting" when it notices the nation slowly turning on Trump.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...utcry-over-separating-immigrant-families.html

 

[feralkid]

Flyer drop:

 

[UNCjigga]

Newsflash, this isn't just happening along the Mexican border. Looks like Christians and Sikhs fleeing persecution in India are also being separated from their children and detained in...Oregon? I guess we're done with asylum then?

Over 50 Indians have been separated from their families and detained in the US
The Donald Trump administration’s controversial new border policy has led to at least 70 south Asian asylum-seekers being detained at a federal prison in the state of Oregon in the US’s Pacific northwest.

Out of the 123 immigrants that were transfered to the facility over the past month, 52 are reportedly Indian, mainly Sikhs and Christians who say they are fleeing religious persecution, according to a report in The Oregonian newspaper. The group also includes 13 immigrants from Nepal and two from Bangladesh. The rest come from Mexico, Brazil, and China, among other countries.

https://qz.com/1308934/over-50-indian-immigrants-detained-under-trumps-family-separation-policy/

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Newsflash, this isn't just happening along the Mexican border. Looks like Christians and Sikhs fleeing persecution in India are also being separated from their children and detained in...Oregon? I guess we're done with asylum then?

Over 50 Indians have been separated from their families and detained in the US
The Donald Trump administration’s controversial new border policy has led to at least 70 south Asian asylum-seekers being detained at a federal prison in the state of Oregon in the US’s Pacific northwest.

Out of the 123 immigrants that were transfered to the facility over the past month, 52 are reportedly Indian, mainly Sikhs and Christians who say they are fleeing religious persecution, according to a report in The Oregonian newspaper. The group also includes 13 immigrants from Nepal and two from Bangladesh. The rest come from Mexico, Brazil, and China, among other countries.

https://qz.com/1308934/over-50-indian-immigrants-detained-under-trumps-family-separation-policy/

So much for the whole "Cross at a valid entry point" argument.

next?

 

[glenn1]

How about not separating families for people who have been charged with a misdemeanor? You know, like all previous administrations were able to do.

So you want a return to catch and release policies. Big surprise. That policy is dead and unmourned, the only question at hand now is how we’re going to house the detainees prior to deportation. If you want that to be with families then provide the funds since “don’t prosecute” or release on own recognizance are no longer options.

 

[fskimospy]

So you want a return to catch and release policies. Big surprise. That policy is dead and unmourned, the only question at hand now is how we’re going to house the detainees prior to deportation. If you want that to be with families then provide the funds since “don’t prosecute” or release on own recognizance are no longer options.

No need. Conservatives will either stop this policy or pay the price. It’s extremely unpopular which will likely lead to more liberals elected in the future. You can either pay now or pay later in higher taxes.

If you’re sane and a decent person option 1 is easiest but if you want to base your positions on anger and spite we will have to go the other way.

 

[UNCjigga]

So you want a return to catch and release policies. Big surprise. That policy is dead and unmourned, the only question at hand now is how we’re going to house the detainees prior to deportation. If you want that to be with families then provide the funds since “don’t prosecute” or release on own recognizance are no longer options.

What's needed is catch and release to country of origin. Congress should absolutely provide the funding and resources to make that as expedient as possible for illegals. Trump seems to be an expert on real estate--I'm sure he can negotiate a good deal on facilities and processing centers within the country of origin.

As for asylum seekers, IJTSSG already suggested ICE programs with GPS monitoring that may be more cost-effective. Release on their own recognizance until their hearing (on "parole".) If they disappear or don't show up to the hearing, they are illegals and priority 2 (behind violent criminals) for ICE deportation.

 

[glenn1]

No need. Conservatives will either stop this policy or pay the price. It’s extremely unpopular which will likely lead to more liberals elected in the future. You can either pay now or pay later in higher taxes.

If you’re sane and a decent person option 1 is easiest but if you want to base your positions on anger and spite we will have to go the other way.

LOL, so your argument is that Trump should voluntarily return to status quo ante of catch and release because otherwise eventually liberals will get elected and raise taxes? Like they won't raise taxes regardless of what Trump does WRT zero tolerance policy? That's quite the threat you're posing - "stop doing that or in the future I'll do what I was already planning to do!"

 

[boomerang]

How about not separating families for people who have been charged with a misdemeanor? You know, like all previous administrations were able to do.

Read up.
https://www.investors.com/politics/...ants-trump-immigration-zero-tolerance-asylum/

"First, it's important to note that many of the "separations" don't last long at all.

As Rich Lowry explains in a detailed article in National Review, "when a migrant is prosecuted for illegal entry, he or she is taken into custody by the U.S. Marshals," in which case, as when other adults are incarcerated in the U.S., they are separated from their children.

Lowry notes that "The criminal proceedings are exceptionally short, assuming there is no aggravating factor such as a prior illegal entry or another crime. Migrants generally plead guilty, and then are sentenced to time served, typically all in the same day."

The Los Angeles Times reports that Rio Grande Valley border agents prosecuted 568 adults and separated 1,174 children since the administration announced its "zero tolerance" policy in early April. However, it only took a matter of hours to reunite more than a third of these children with their parents."

Put the emotion in check. The media likes to keep the susceptible in a state of outrage. We all have a choice whether to succumb to their evil behavior or not.

Again, Congress could change the laws regarding all this today. The only person I have seen, to my knowledge, who is attempting to do so is Ted Cruz.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Hey..The important thing is that Jeff Sessions gets to make these people suffer, and that's practically been his lifelong goal in politics..

And..it's working - Iowa high school student murdered within weeks of being returned to Mexico. He was brought to America when he was 3 years old.

 

[glenn1]

Hey..The important thing is that Jeff Sessions gets to make these people suffer, and that's practically been his lifelong goal in politics..

And..it's working - Iowa high school student murdered within weeks of being returned to Mexico. He was brought to America when he was 3 years old.

Just means his deportation happened about 15 years later than it should have.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

LOL, so your argument is that Trump should voluntarily return to status quo ante of catch and release because otherwise eventually liberals will get elected and raise taxes? Like they won't raise taxes regardless of what Trump does WRT zero tolerance policy? That's quite the threat you're posing - "stop doing that or in the future I'll do what I was already planning to do!"

Trump could stop this policy and shift funds towards humane detention and not make suffering a keystone of his Wall. In this way, we can process people and make legit determinations with sufficient numbers of people to make legal determinations. Trump could recommend a bill for funding such a thing to allow families to remain intact be treated properly and "catch and release" isn't an issue. Again Trump can reallocate funds on his own but can *reasonably* argue that more is needed for this purpose.

 

[repoman0]

Just means his deportation happened about 15 years later than it should have.

You and your boys got him in the end glenn1, and he got to die for breaking our immigration laws. A real success story for conservatives everywhere -- America is now great.