I just found another program we can cut from the budget.

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Modelworks
The person I signed up worked for over 45 years, she is 78 now and paid into social security the entire time. She now gets the benefit of a massive $648 social security + medicare that cost her $89 every month out of that $648. We shouldn't help people like this though, lets just kill them since they are a drain on your pocket.

My grandparents are 85 and 83 and have lived their entire lives without cell phones. Simply because something exists doesn't mean the government should be supplying it to everyone and their brother on a whim. How long until the government decided a netbook is a necessity for disabled people? TV? Car?

So they don't have a phone at all ? You know that your comparison of a phone and a netbook is not valid, so don't go there. The lifeline program was started long ago to help people who were too poor to afford a phone. Moving it to cell phones is actually cheaper.

And they do provide transportation for people that do not have a car, guess you hate that too. Why take the people to their doctor appointments ? They can just stop eating and live in a cardboard box, but they will make their car payment !



Spend some actual time working with seniors. I volunteer a lot of my time helping seniors with everything from the DTV switch to medicare providers , and I can tell you they are not trying to steal from you or any other tax payer. They are just trying to survive on a system that works against them.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: tk149


There are these things called friends with phones, and pay phones. Phones (cell or land line) are not a right, they're a convenience. Again, any cellphone (which can be had for FREE or cheap) will dial 911, so your argument for emergency services is incorrect. The rest is just convenience. There are Pay-as-you-go phones for things like that.

Why are you complaining now ? The lifeline program is over 20 years old ? Is it because you think a cellphone is somehow a luxury but a landline is not ?

Some of the people getting these phones are not able to afford food let alone a phone. I get so sick of people that have no experience working with people that need these programs. You all think they are living high. But I have seen many people who go without food just to pay the rent and afford their medicine. You don't get that some of these people are poorer than you ever imagined.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Negative. A Phone is Essential and a $ Saver. You'll find that most(if not All)Welfare/similar Agencies provide extra Funding for a Phone. If a Cellphone is cheaper, then it is the more logical choice.

It is not a "Luxury", you are being ridiculous.

If I am obligated to provide a cell phone for everyone who is in one of these programs, then I will have to question the entire program, not just the doling out of phones. First, we gave people food stamps because people need to eat. Then, we gave them welfare because they didn't have creature comforts like cable TV, newish cars, and golf clubs so they can live "normal" lives. Now, they need phones in case of emergency, but we'll give them phones they can use for everyday crap. Tomorrow, they'll need laptops so they can spend all day on myspace.

Perhaps you will notice the use of the word, "need." The only case where there is any real NEED is the first (i.e. food stamps). Everything else I listed is purely a luxury - no one needs any of these things to survive.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: smashp
I cant believe that people still don't understand that whole "Quality of Life" aspect of society and how societies and civilizations evolve.

We understand, we also understand that we will fight this progressive view of the constitution till our dieing day. It's never a bad day to go back to the old deal.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: spittledip
I don't see the need for this program. People survived without cell phones before they were invented and without landline phones before they were invented. Why do people need cell phones? I don't even own one b/c it is an unnecessary expense... and I don't like the idea of being pestered all the time by people calling me on the phone.

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Please do not give me that shit, true tale, my mother had her gut rupture and when she tried to use her landline phone to call, for help, it turns out a squirrel chewed through her land line phone line, she ended up crawling to a neighbor house over a block away, running a high fever all the way, to get help. She survived the emergency operation, but you don't even want to know the kind of medicaid bills she racks up each year, year after year, because she could not get help when she needed it.

And if you don't want to get incoming calls on your cell phone, do what I do, don't turn the cell phone on unless you want to make an outgoing phone call, and don't set up a voice mail box. There is even a do not call list for cell phone numbers now to stop telemarketers using cell phone numbers, just call 1-800-call fcc to find the number to call.

Is there some reason why YOU couldn't purchase your mother a cell phone and pay for it? Only care about her when its paid for with other people's money?

Don't drive on my fucking road, don't send your kids to my school, and don't call my fucking cops or fire department. Or are you a fucking hypocrite, and use those services?

Unless you own your own roads, school, cops, and fire department.. No, I am not a 'fucking hypocrite'. The one thing of those that I don't use is your mother's cell phone. If she wants to share minutes with me then maybe we can talk.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: JKing106
And while we're at it, let's disband our Military. That would save us billions. Make 'em get a real job. Fuck 'em. I'm tired of feeding and providing free health care to their asses. Make 'em get a real job at Walmart. I need a cheerful smile when I walk in.

Great idea. You can start right now. Go to the nearest military base with an axe and start chopping at the barracks.

Better to take an axe to their budgets. Just like Neocons do to social programs. That'll make them get real jobs!

Which social programs have the neocons cut? Please be specific. I seem to remember GWB creating a massive social program in the medicare drug program.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: smashp
I cant believe that people still don't understand that whole "Quality of Life" aspect of society and how societies and civilizations evolve.

We understand, we also understand that we will fight this progressive view of the constitution till our dieing day. It's never a bad day to go back to the old deal.

smashp's comment was right on, and makes me think of 'de-volution' socially (post-out to 'Devo' for comping up with that too long ago).

The right is just so clueless about the very interests of society, between ignorance and midguided romanticism, they worshiip the crap of historical evil and misery.

In my opinion, our society needs to understand how much better things have gotten - and the ways in which they have gotten worse.

But name 20 top problems today and I'll bet 15+ of them were worse in the past.

Not just the obvious like food supply and medicine, but everyithing from information availability to media to travel to basic scientific understanding to less bigotry to more human views of groups from women to children to the lack of 'debtor prisons' and mass misery for many (unsafe long work hours), political corruption, and so much.

Of course, we've picked up the crowding of urbanization, drugs, the unparalleled military power of the state, enormous bureacracy, and more.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: JKing106
And while we're at it, let's disband our Military. That would save us billions. Make 'em get a real job. Fuck 'em. I'm tired of feeding and providing free health care to their asses. Make 'em get a real job at Walmart. I need a cheerful smile when I walk in.

Great idea. You can start right now. Go to the nearest military base with an axe and start chopping at the barracks.

Better to take an axe to their budgets. Just like Neocons do to social programs. That'll make them get real jobs!

Which social programs have the neocons cut? Please be specific. I seem to remember GWB creating a massive social program in the medicare drug program.

Too many to list, and you have hardly shown yourself to respond to the info when provided anyway - but on the Medicare drug benefit, that was an example of the massive corruption of the Republican party. They pushed the pharmaceutical industry to donate far more to them than Democrats - the industry became their biggest donor - and so they wanted to pay them off in a very corrupt manner with *hundreds of billions* of tax dollars from the suckers.

So they grabbed ahold of the political cover of 'drugs for the elderly!' and designed a program that was very corrupt - many seniors had to pay MORE under their program, but it wasn't enough just to generate hundreds of billions in profitable business for the industry, they put in the restriction that the government was banned from negotiating prices - adding hundreds of billions in pure theft to the bill's cost.

The bill was railroaded through with leadership backing by a Congressman - in an ugly process that for the first time in history, when they lost the vote - even some 'real' Republicans couldn't stomach the taxpayer abuse - they simply extended the vote several hours all night long, with leaders walking the floor twisting the arms of Republicans, with a story of telling one that his son's run for Congress would either get a big cash donation and help if he changed his vote, or his son's career would be blackballed if he did not.

Within days after the billl passed, that Congressman left office to a waiting position in the pharmaceutical industry for his work. WHo was he representing - constituents?

So, tell us some more about your Republican/'neocon' social programs.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: spittledip
I don't see the need for this program. People survived without cell phones before they were invented and without landline phones before they were invented. Why do people need cell phones? I don't even own one b/c it is an unnecessary expense... and I don't like the idea of being pestered all the time by people calling me on the phone.

Seriously? I witnessed a serious accident yesterday afternoon. I had a 911 dispatcher on the line within 15 seconds. Police arrived in < 5 and ambulance shortly after.

Cell phones are useful, however, if you want one, you pay for it yourself! Is that not a hard concept to understand?

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I think you just proved the point. If you are paying for your own cell phone service, there is no need for the government to do it. Besides you can call 911 from any cell phone even if its not activated. Pick up someone's old one they are going to throw away. Done.

My response was to spittledip's ridiculous comment that cell phones aren't necessary - thanks for making my point, guys.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: spittledip
I don't see the need for this program. People survived without cell phones before they were invented and without landline phones before they were invented. Why do people need cell phones? I don't even own one b/c it is an unnecessary expense... and I don't like the idea of being pestered all the time by people calling me on the phone.

Seriously? I witnessed a serious accident yesterday afternoon. I had a 911 dispatcher on the line within 15 seconds. Police arrived in < 5 and ambulance shortly after.

Cell phones are useful, however, if you want one, you pay for it yourself! Is that not a hard concept to understand?

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I think you just proved the point. If you are paying for your own cell phone service, there is no need for the government to do it. Besides you can call 911 from any cell phone even if its not activated. Pick up someone's old one they are going to throw away. Done.

My response was to spittledip's ridiculous comment that cell phones aren't necessary - thanks for making my point, guys.

I have never owned a cell phone and have a job and a house and a car etc. Believe it or not, I am not the only person in the US making it ok without a cell phone! I feel bad for people who think they actually NEED their cell phones.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski
Many are fixating on the Cellphone=Priviledge. If it's cheaper than a Landline, then it's not a "Priviledge", it's simply more Cost Effective.

A land line is a privilege too. A cellphone may be cheaper than a landline, but why are we paying for someone else's non-emergency calls in the first place? I can see a possible case for disabled people, but not welfare queens.

Maybe we should provide free broadband internet and a free PC to everyone too. Oh wait, that's next...

Emergency Services, call a Dr, call Welfare/whoever provides their Service(s), call for Job, etc etc. You are being ridiculous as well.

There are these things called friends with phones, and pay phones. Phones (cell or land line) are not a right, they're a convenience. Again, any cellphone (which can be had for FREE or cheap) will dial 911, so your argument for emergency services is incorrect. The rest is just convenience. There are Pay-as-you-go phones for things like that.

Insufficient. Pay Phones are becoming rare, friends don't hang out 24/7.

Now you're just arguing semantics. The way the program is implemented may not be the cheapest now, but probably was when it was drawn up. Cellphone plans are changing constantly, but no matter what, Phone Service will always be provided to those on Welfare/Assistance.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: sandorski
Negative. A Phone is Essential and a $ Saver. You'll find that most(if not All)Welfare/similar Agencies provide extra Funding for a Phone. If a Cellphone is cheaper, then it is the more logical choice.

It is not a "Luxury", you are being ridiculous.

If I am obligated to provide a cell phone for everyone who is in one of these programs, then I will have to question the entire program, not just the doling out of phones. First, we gave people food stamps because people need to eat. Then, we gave them welfare because they didn't have creature comforts like cable TV, newish cars, and golf clubs so they can live "normal" lives. Now, they need phones in case of emergency, but we'll give them phones they can use for everyday crap. Tomorrow, they'll need laptops so they can spend all day on myspace.

Perhaps you will notice the use of the word, "need." The only case where there is any real NEED is the first (i.e. food stamps). Everything else I listed is purely a luxury - no one needs any of these things to survive.

Try pulling your head out of your Ass.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: spittledip
I don't see the need for this program. People survived without cell phones before they were invented and without landline phones before they were invented. Why do people need cell phones? I don't even own one b/c it is an unnecessary expense... and I don't like the idea of being pestered all the time by people calling me on the phone.

Seriously? I witnessed a serious accident yesterday afternoon. I had a 911 dispatcher on the line within 15 seconds. Police arrived in < 5 and ambulance shortly after.

Cell phones are useful, however, if you want one, you pay for it yourself! Is that not a hard concept to understand?

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I think you just proved the point. If you are paying for your own cell phone service, there is no need for the government to do it. Besides you can call 911 from any cell phone even if its not activated. Pick up someone's old one they are going to throw away. Done.

My response was to spittledip's ridiculous comment that cell phones aren't necessary - thanks for making my point, guys.

I have never owned a cell phone and have a job and a house and a car etc. Believe it or not, I am not the only person in the US making it ok without a cell phone! I feel bad for people who think they actually NEED their cell phones.

..but you do have a Phone, correct?

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: spittledip
I don't see the need for this program. People survived without cell phones before they were invented and without landline phones before they were invented. Why do people need cell phones? I don't even own one b/c it is an unnecessary expense... and I don't like the idea of being pestered all the time by people calling me on the phone.

Seriously? I witnessed a serious accident yesterday afternoon. I had a 911 dispatcher on the line within 15 seconds. Police arrived in < 5 and ambulance shortly after.

Cell phones are useful, however, if you want one, you pay for it yourself! Is that not a hard concept to understand?

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I think you just proved the point. If you are paying for your own cell phone service, there is no need for the government to do it. Besides you can call 911 from any cell phone even if its not activated. Pick up someone's old one they are going to throw away. Done.

My response was to spittledip's ridiculous comment that cell phones aren't necessary - thanks for making my point, guys.

They aren't necessary. They are useful, but not necessary.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: spittledip
I don't see the need for this program. People survived without cell phones before they were invented and without landline phones before they were invented. Why do people need cell phones? I don't even own one b/c it is an unnecessary expense... and I don't like the idea of being pestered all the time by people calling me on the phone.

Seriously? I witnessed a serious accident yesterday afternoon. I had a 911 dispatcher on the line within 15 seconds. Police arrived in < 5 and ambulance shortly after.

Cell phones are useful, however, if you want one, you pay for it yourself! Is that not a hard concept to understand?

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I think you just proved the point. If you are paying for your own cell phone service, there is no need for the government to do it. Besides you can call 911 from any cell phone even if its not activated. Pick up someone's old one they are going to throw away. Done.

My response was to spittledip's ridiculous comment that cell phones aren't necessary - thanks for making my point, guys.

They aren't necessary. They are useful, but not necessary.

A Phone is necessary. Might aswell get a Cheap one, regardless of Cell or not.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: spittledip
I don't see the need for this program. People survived without cell phones before they were invented and without landline phones before they were invented. Why do people need cell phones? I don't even own one b/c it is an unnecessary expense... and I don't like the idea of being pestered all the time by people calling me on the phone.

Seriously? I witnessed a serious accident yesterday afternoon. I had a 911 dispatcher on the line within 15 seconds. Police arrived in < 5 and ambulance shortly after.

Cell phones are useful, however, if you want one, you pay for it yourself! Is that not a hard concept to understand?

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I think you just proved the point. If you are paying for your own cell phone service, there is no need for the government to do it. Besides you can call 911 from any cell phone even if its not activated. Pick up someone's old one they are going to throw away. Done.

My response was to spittledip's ridiculous comment that cell phones aren't necessary - thanks for making my point, guys.

I have never owned a cell phone and have a job and a house and a car etc. Believe it or not, I am not the only person in the US making it ok without a cell phone! I feel bad for people who think they actually NEED their cell phones.

Do you, or do you not have a telephone?

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski
Many are fixating on the Cellphone=Priviledge. If it's cheaper than a Landline, then it's not a "Priviledge", it's simply more Cost Effective.

A land line is a privilege too. A cellphone may be cheaper than a landline, but why are we paying for someone else's non-emergency calls in the first place? I can see a possible case for disabled people, but not welfare queens.

Maybe we should provide free broadband internet and a free PC to everyone too. Oh wait, that's next...

Emergency Services, call a Dr, call Welfare/whoever provides their Service(s), call for Job, etc etc. You are being ridiculous as well.

There are these things called friends with phones, and pay phones. Phones (cell or land line) are not a right, they're a convenience. Again, any cellphone (which can be had for FREE or cheap) will dial 911, so your argument for emergency services is incorrect. The rest is just convenience. There are Pay-as-you-go phones for things like that.

Insufficient. Pay Phones are becoming rare, friends don't hang out 24/7.

Now you're just arguing semantics. The way the program is implemented may not be the cheapest now, but probably was when it was drawn up. Cellphone plans are changing constantly, but no matter what, Phone Service will always be provided to those on Welfare/Assistance.

What kind of person on welfare needs a phone 24/7? Drug dealer? I am not advocating that they do not get a phone at all. I am saying that they can get a 911 only cellphone, and beyond that they can pay for service like the rest of us schmucks.

I am not arguing semantics. I am disagreeing with your idea of rights. Prove that a phone is a right, and we can stop arguing.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: tk149
[What kind of person on welfare needs a phone 24/7? Drug dealer? I am not advocating that they do not get a phone at all. I am saying that they can get a 911 only cellphone, and beyond that they can pay for service like the rest of us schmucks.

I am not arguing semantics. I am disagreeing with your idea of rights. Prove that a phone is a right, and we can stop arguing.

Why don't you go and ask Ronald Reagan, look up the history, of when the bill was passed in his administration (for then-land lines)?

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: tk149


There are these things called friends with phones, and pay phones. Phones (cell or land line) are not a right, they're a convenience. Again, any cellphone (which can be had for FREE or cheap) will dial 911, so your argument for emergency services is incorrect. The rest is just convenience. There are Pay-as-you-go phones for things like that.

Why are you complaining now ? The lifeline program is over 20 years old ? Is it because you think a cellphone is somehow a luxury but a landline is not ?

Some of the people getting these phones are not able to afford food let alone a phone. I get so sick of people that have no experience working with people that need these programs. You all think they are living high. But I have seen many people who go without food just to pay the rent and afford their medicine. You don't get that some of these people are poorer than you ever imagined.

I am complaining now because I did not know about the lifeline program before. A phone (landline or cell) is a luxury. It is not a right. It is not even a basic necessity of life such as food, shelter, or clothing.

Does it suck to be poor? Yes, of course. Should I be forced to pay for someone else's luxury? My opinion is no. Yours is yes. That's the basic disagreement here.

This is not a case where only the government can provide free phone service. If a private charity wants to provide phone service, I'd support it, and depending on their criteria for whom they aided, I might even donate money. However, I do not support forced "giving" through government.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: tk149
[What kind of person on welfare needs a phone 24/7? Drug dealer? I am not advocating that they do not get a phone at all. I am saying that they can get a 911 only cellphone, and beyond that they can pay for service like the rest of us schmucks.

I am not arguing semantics. I am disagreeing with your idea of rights. Prove that a phone is a right, and we can stop arguing.

Why don't you go and ask Ronald Reagan, look up the history, of when the bill was passed in his administration (for then-land lines)?

So Ronny fvcked up? I can't ask him, he's dead. Maybe I can ask Nancy to hook me up with a psychic.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski
Many are fixating on the Cellphone=Priviledge. If it's cheaper than a Landline, then it's not a "Priviledge", it's simply more Cost Effective.

A land line is a privilege too. A cellphone may be cheaper than a landline, but why are we paying for someone else's non-emergency calls in the first place? I can see a possible case for disabled people, but not welfare queens.

Maybe we should provide free broadband internet and a free PC to everyone too. Oh wait, that's next...

Emergency Services, call a Dr, call Welfare/whoever provides their Service(s), call for Job, etc etc. You are being ridiculous as well.

There are these things called friends with phones, and pay phones. Phones (cell or land line) are not a right, they're a convenience. Again, any cellphone (which can be had for FREE or cheap) will dial 911, so your argument for emergency services is incorrect. The rest is just convenience. There are Pay-as-you-go phones for things like that.

Insufficient. Pay Phones are becoming rare, friends don't hang out 24/7.

Now you're just arguing semantics. The way the program is implemented may not be the cheapest now, but probably was when it was drawn up. Cellphone plans are changing constantly, but no matter what, Phone Service will always be provided to those on Welfare/Assistance.

What kind of person on welfare needs a phone 24/7? Drug dealer? I am not advocating that they do not get a phone at all. I am saying that they can get a 911 only cellphone, and beyond that they can pay for service like the rest of us schmucks.

I am not arguing semantics. I am disagreeing with your idea of rights. Prove that a phone is a right, and we can stop arguing.

"911, what's your Emergency?"
"I need to make an appointment with my Doctor."

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: spittledip
I don't see the need for this program. People survived without cell phones before they were invented and without landline phones before they were invented. Why do people need cell phones? I don't even own one b/c it is an unnecessary expense... and I don't like the idea of being pestered all the time by people calling me on the phone.

Seriously? I witnessed a serious accident yesterday afternoon. I had a 911 dispatcher on the line within 15 seconds. Police arrived in < 5 and ambulance shortly after.

Cell phones are useful, however, if you want one, you pay for it yourself! Is that not a hard concept to understand?

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I think you just proved the point. If you are paying for your own cell phone service, there is no need for the government to do it. Besides you can call 911 from any cell phone even if its not activated. Pick up someone's old one they are going to throw away. Done.

My response was to spittledip's ridiculous comment that cell phones aren't necessary - thanks for making my point, guys.

I have never owned a cell phone and have a job and a house and a car etc. Believe it or not, I am not the only person in the US making it ok without a cell phone! I feel bad for people who think they actually NEED their cell phones.

Do you, or do you not have a telephone?

I never said I didn't have a phone- we were specifically talking about mobile telephones.

That said, it would make things more difficult if one did not own a phone, but lack of a phone does not make living impossible... it doesn't even make living comfortably impossible. The only things that make living impossible are lack of food and water and shelter. You can very easily get along without a phone. You all are so used to convenience that you cannot think beyond it.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski
Many are fixating on the Cellphone=Priviledge. If it's cheaper than a Landline, then it's not a "Priviledge", it's simply more Cost Effective.

A land line is a privilege too. A cellphone may be cheaper than a landline, but why are we paying for someone else's non-emergency calls in the first place? I can see a possible case for disabled people, but not welfare queens.

Maybe we should provide free broadband internet and a free PC to everyone too. Oh wait, that's next...

Emergency Services, call a Dr, call Welfare/whoever provides their Service(s), call for Job, etc etc. You are being ridiculous as well.

There are these things called friends with phones, and pay phones. Phones (cell or land line) are not a right, they're a convenience. Again, any cellphone (which can be had for FREE or cheap) will dial 911, so your argument for emergency services is incorrect. The rest is just convenience. There are Pay-as-you-go phones for things like that.

Insufficient. Pay Phones are becoming rare, friends don't hang out 24/7.

Now you're just arguing semantics. The way the program is implemented may not be the cheapest now, but probably was when it was drawn up. Cellphone plans are changing constantly, but no matter what, Phone Service will always be provided to those on Welfare/Assistance.

What kind of person on welfare needs a phone 24/7? Drug dealer? I am not advocating that they do not get a phone at all. I am saying that they can get a 911 only cellphone, and beyond that they can pay for service like the rest of us schmucks.

I am not arguing semantics. I am disagreeing with your idea of rights. Prove that a phone is a right, and we can stop arguing.

"911, what's your Emergency?"
"I need to make an appointment with my Doctor."

"This is not an emergency. Why don't you borrow a friend's phone, or walk down to the payphone and make the call?"

They're not limiting this free phone program to disabled people. If it means so much to you, donate YOUR time and YOUR money to provide free phone service. Quit using mine. You still haven't proven that a phone is a right. There are billions of people in the world without a private phone. They somehow manage to survive.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: sandorski
Many are fixating on the Cellphone=Priviledge. If it's cheaper than a Landline, then it's not a "Priviledge", it's simply more Cost Effective.

A land line is a privilege too. A cellphone may be cheaper than a landline, but why are we paying for someone else's non-emergency calls in the first place? I can see a possible case for disabled people, but not welfare queens.

Maybe we should provide free broadband internet and a free PC to everyone too. Oh wait, that's next...

Emergency Services, call a Dr, call Welfare/whoever provides their Service(s), call for Job, etc etc. You are being ridiculous as well.

There are these things called friends with phones, and pay phones. Phones (cell or land line) are not a right, they're a convenience. Again, any cellphone (which can be had for FREE or cheap) will dial 911, so your argument for emergency services is incorrect. The rest is just convenience. There are Pay-as-you-go phones for things like that.

Insufficient. Pay Phones are becoming rare, friends don't hang out 24/7.

Now you're just arguing semantics. The way the program is implemented may not be the cheapest now, but probably was when it was drawn up. Cellphone plans are changing constantly, but no matter what, Phone Service will always be provided to those on Welfare/Assistance.

What kind of person on welfare needs a phone 24/7? Drug dealer? I am not advocating that they do not get a phone at all. I am saying that they can get a 911 only cellphone, and beyond that they can pay for service like the rest of us schmucks.

I am not arguing semantics. I am disagreeing with your idea of rights. Prove that a phone is a right, and we can stop arguing.

"911, what's your Emergency?"
"I need to make an appointment with my Doctor."

"This is not an emergency. Why don't you borrow a friend's phone, or walk down to the payphone and make the call?"

They're not limiting this free phone program to disabled people. If it means so much to you, donate YOUR time and YOUR money to provide free phone service. Quit using mine. You still haven't proven that a phone is a right. There are billions of people in the world without a private phone. They somehow manage to survive.

We should probably start giving free phones to them as well! Just tax the rich more.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: tk149
They're not limiting this free phone program to disabled people. If it means so much to you, donate YOUR time and YOUR money to provide free phone service. Quit using mine. You still haven't proven that a phone is a right. There are billions of people in the world without a private phone. They somehow manage to survive.

You don't have a right to a museum called The Smithsonian Institute either, but we pay our tax dollars - including the guy who doesn't want to - to have it.

Your grasp of democracy is fundamentally flawed.

No one has the constitutional right to anything to prevent them from starving in the street.

But the nation has the constitutional right to do something to provide for the general welfare. And to force you to contribute to the cause. And that's how it should be.