"I have a good good brain"

[chucky2]

Not even close. But do go on.

Mmm hmm...

 

[chucky2]

You just equated opposition to right wing immigration policy with climate science. You know, the same climate science where the overwhelming majority of the evidence ALSO contradicts the conservative position.

By the way I totally agree, the conservatives who think building some wall and trying to deport everyone is going to solve our immigration problems are about as irrational as climate science deniers.

That is pretty hilarious.

Nick!!! Have you come to provide Nickertainment? :wub::thumbsup:

 

[Moonbeam]

As in all things neither the left nor the right are fully correct or fully wrong about our immigration issues. The answer is always some third way, an answer, sadly, that can make nobody completely happy. Each side will stick to their limited view as if only it were true. The conservative will see people who break the law and the liberals the chaos that woul result from strict law enforcement.

The result, of course, is that when it comes to fixing our problems, we're fucked.

 

[chucky2]

As in all things neither the left nor the right are fully correct or fully wrong about our immigration issues. The answer is always some third way, an answer, sadly, that can make nobody completely happy. Each side will stick to their limited view as if only it were true. The conservative will see people who break the law and the liberals the chaos that woul result from strict law enforcement.

The result, of course, is that when it comes to fixing our problems, we're fucked.

LOL, the Libs don't care about chaos. They love chaos, look at how jelly they get over the protests. What they don't love is that cheap labor leaving. Or the shame of their White Guilt/Bleeding Heart. That's why Nick is so pained about me comparing to the "science" that's "settled". If it really were so settled, you'd have the Believers making personal commitments now, before any new laws or treaties or whatnot as the stakes literally are so high in their Believer minds that any and all CO2 reduction that can be achieved is worth it. They're not. Excuses flow like wine in a 1st class overseas plane flight spewing forth massive amounts of CO2 on a pleasure trip. The ironing is so delicious with Believers...

Now: Nickertainment! :thumbsup:

 

[Bowfinger]

LOL, the Libs don't care about chaos. They love chaos, look at how jelly they get over the protests. What they don't love is that cheap labor leaving. ...

Congratulations! In a shed full of RNC tools, you stand out as one of the most pointless. You, with your droning, useless "libs this" and "libs that" are especially dull. You cannot see how it's your own GOP leaders who are the biggest supporters of illegal immigration, supporters because their donors are business owners who count on cheap labor for bigger profits. Your GOP leaders publicly rail against it to sucker the rubes, while privately acting to ensure the flood continues. They know who butters their bread, and it isn't you.

 

[chucky2]

Congratulations! In a shed full of RNC tools, you stand out as one of the most pointless. You, with your droning, useless "libs this" and "libs that" are especially dull. You cannot see how it's your own GOP leaders who are the biggest supporters of illegal immigration, supporters because their donors are business owners who count on cheap labor for bigger profits. Your GOP leaders publicly rail against it to sucker the rubes, while privately acting to ensure the flood continues. They know who butters their bread, and it isn't you.

LOL hahahaha!!! Poor Lib, my posts must hurt you so. :'( Of course the GOP (who aren't my leaders at all, but how Intellectual of you to assume that) are making sure those flood gates are as wide open as possible. You think all those business owners want to go through the hassle of employing Americans when they can hire and fire at will, cash on the barrel, and have someone who shows up to work and who will work? Buwhaha no shit the Reps want them in.

Here's a little secret there little Libby.....that Dem Leadership you like fluffing? Wait for it...

...they like them coming in just as much! Just for different reasons...

Where have the true Intellectuals gone? Moonie, I thought the Libs were supposed to be smart, yet, look how dumb they are? I mean, the hilarity of wrongness is so painful, it's like....hmm...they're not Intellectual at all?

I await the Nickertainment (but Finger, you're doing a good job as stand in), always worth the wait!

 

[Bowfinger]

LOL hahahaha!!! Poor Lib, my posts must hurt you so. :'( Of course the GOP (who aren't my leaders at all, but how Intellectual of you to assume that) are making sure those flood gates are as wide open as possible. You think all those business owners want to go through the hassle of employing Americans when they can hire and fire at will, cash on the barrel, and have someone who shows up to work and who will work? Buwhaha no shit the Reps want them in.

Here's a little secret there little Libby.....that Dem Leadership you like fluffing? Wait for it...

...they like them coming in just as much! Just for different reasons...

Where have the true Intellectuals gone? Moonie, I thought the Libs were supposed to be smart, yet, look how dumb they are? I mean, the hilarity of wrongness is so painful, it's like....hmm...they're not Intellectual at all?

I await the Nickertainment (but Finger, you're doing a good job as stand in), always worth the wait!

Speaking of butt hurt, nice rant sweetie, but YOU are the one who blamed the problem on "libs" (the only card in your tiny little deck, apparently). Perhaps you should consider your own words before you attack others. You know the old saying, better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

 

[soundforbjt]

Yet you think Trump will be any different...

 

[Hugo Drax]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/21/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy-team/index.html

He announced more details on his team and ideas. Looks like he plans on cutting our commitment to NATO since we are putting in a disproportionate amount of money into it. Also cuts to how much we spend in asia in terms of millitary funding.

About time we cannot afford this world police deal anymore.

 

[MongGrel]

LOL hahahaha!!! Poor Lib, my posts must hurt you so. :'( Of course the GOP (who aren't my leaders at all, but how Intellectual of you to assume that) are making sure those flood gates are as wide open as possible. You think all those business owners want to go through the hassle of employing Americans when they can hire and fire at will, cash on the barrel, and have someone who shows up to work and who will work? Buwhaha no shit the Reps want them in.

Here's a little secret there little Libby.....that Dem Leadership you like fluffing? Wait for it...

...they like them coming in just as much! Just for different reasons...

Where have the true Intellectuals gone? Moonie, I thought the Libs were supposed to be smart, yet, look how dumb they are? I mean, the hilarity of wrongness is so painful, it's like....hmm...they're not Intellectual at all?

I await the Nickertainment (but Finger, you're doing a good job as stand in), always worth the wait!

I still wonder why anyone posting inane drivel on this level thinks they are hurting anyone, it's kind of comical.

You're just embarrassing yourself again, but have at it I guess.

 

[chucky2]

Speaking of butt hurt, nice rant sweetie, but YOU are the one who blamed the problem on "libs" (the only card in your tiny little deck, apparently). Perhaps you should consider your own words before you attack others. You know the old saying, better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

LOL Libby, it's interesting you took it that way (no pun intended of course), I was merely laughing at you. Your emulation of Nick is fairly good, you've actually got me blaming Libs solely now for the illegal invasion problem. Perhaps you should re-read what I was responding and what I actually said rather than making a fool of your failed saying. It's like shooting Libs in a barrel in here... :wub:

 

[chucky2]

I still wonder why anyone posting inane drivel on this level thinks they are hurting anyone, it's kind of comical.

You're just embarrassing yourself again, but have at it I guess.

Aren't you out of work? Hard finding some? Feel that I should be embarrassed if it strokes your ego and makes you feel better, I doubt you'd be out of work if we had tens of Millions of low skilled workers and theirs kids (and now adults) not in the country.

Or, you could run off to a thread and pretend we'll be doing Arc Lights with B-52s on ME towns and cities. That'll make what you view as my inane drivel pale in comparison, amirite?

 

[Bowfinger]

LOL Libby, it's interesting you took it that way (no pun intended of course), I was merely laughing at you. Your emulation of Nick is fairly good, you've actually got me blaming Libs solely now for the illegal invasion problem. Perhaps you should re-read what I was responding and what I actually said rather than making a fool of your failed saying. It's like shooting Libs in a barrel in here... :wub:

Tool on, my friend.

 

[sportage]

Speaking of good brains....
I suppose this is what we are coming too.
Creating something like a HAL 2000, but without the "kinks".

HAL could process all the data, all the possible outcomes, figure all the angles, all probable solutions, and all factors involved.
Then, HAL could provide a fairly sound corse of action to take.
That is, if we had something like a HAL 2000 as an option for president.

HAL 2000 (version II) could have foreseen and avoided the 2008 housing meltdown, figured out that wall street greed had an negative end result, figured out that going to war in Iraq would lead us to ISIS, figured out and predicted the rise of Donald Trump, figured out that Hillary 2016 is so full of BS, figured out that Bernie's figures just don't add up, and figured out the film Batman vs Superman would the stupidest idea Hollywood ever conceived.

HAL 2000 Ver II could have predicted the water supply disaster in Flint, that using pipes full of lead would naturally damage kids and the Flint community. Figured out with turning the government of Flint over to incompetent republicans would eventually lead to disaster. Figured out that any document warning of terrorist acts in the US by terrorist hijacking civilian aircraft would eventually lead to 9/11. And HAL 2000 Ver II could have figured out that AL GORE actually won the 2000 presidential election, not the other moron.

And HAL 2000 V.II could have advised then presidential candidate John McCain that even mentioning Sarah Palin would lead to long term national nightmare and mass dumbing down of America.
Yes, HAL 2000 V.II could have calculated then saved us all great harm and embarrassment.

Face it...
The general public has this weird notion that our president should be on top of, involved with, and should have foreseen every single crisis small and large that face our country.
Bush should have known 9/11 was inevitable. Democrats should have known republicans would successfully steal the 2000 presidential election.
The general public has this false notion that every US president should know all, be all, and see all.
Well... HAL 2000, with a minor version II firmware update, could have done all this.

So, as the world becomes more complicated and more dangerous, and presidents are held to higher and higher accountability, and blamed for every single failure that comes along world wide, nationally, and locally, that it only makes sense we need a HAL 2000 V.II to provide us with the president we all expect.
Our know all, our see all, and our be all.

And to have foreseen Hollywood would eventually pit two super hero's against one another just to make a fast buck.

If we elected HAL, HAL would simply say: SORRY DAVE, SORRY AMERICA... I CAN'T AND WILL NOT DO THAT.

HAL 2000 V.II for president.
Complete with the 2016 firmware update.

 

[Greenman]

Nothing to do with bleeding hearts. The F'n idea is a total failure. Most come here legally then overstay the visas. But, keep bleating on.

Looks like the number is 40% on expired visas. So closing the border would have stopped 7 million from entering the country. At 4.5 billion for a fence, that works out to about $643 a head. I'd be willing to bet we would save 2 or 3 times that $643 each in the first year alone. The fence is a winner, assuming I did that math right.

 

[Perknose]

Looks like the number is 40% on expired visas. So closing the border would have stopped 7 million from entering the country. At 4.5 billion for a fence, that works out to about $643 a head. I'd be willing to bet we would save 2 or 3 times that $643 each in the first year alone. The fence is a winner, assuming I did that math right.

Your fantasy figures aren't even close. GIGO. Please go educate yourself before opining on "the math" again.

 

[Vic]

?

Let's begin by pointing out the obvious that you speak for yourself and only yourself, not the collective "American people". Then let's point out the fact that there is no requirement, I suspect you merely made it up because it helps you argue your feelings at this current point in time. Third, let's discuss the fact that most people believe government has failed us, therefore change is necessary to get different results.

Lastly - Ross Perot. Do you ever look back on what you write and think, "Wow, where the fuck did that come from?!!"
I get the impression you believe the terms "American People" and "People who think just like me" are one and the same.

I get the impression that you didn't have an argument to what to I posted so you fell back on flinging poo.

 

[Greenman]

Your fantasy figures aren't even close. GIGO. Please go educate yourself before opining on "the math" again.

The numbers came from the PBS website. I assume reasonable accuracy from them. If you have some other information that indicates a different number of illegals or the cost of the wall I'd like to see it. Simply saying it's garbage doesn't really add anything to the pool of available information.
Or is it my division that bothers you? I'll freely admit that I have more than a little trouble reading all those little zeros on a calculator. But I'm pretty sure I got it right.

I'm now about as educated in math as I'll ever be, so my opinion stands unless you'd care to point out where the mistake is.

 

[Meghan54]

I'm just curious.......why do illegals come to this country?

I believe the most agreed upon answer is jobs, right?

And Trump has escalated the cost of the wall he wants to build up to $14 billion, and will probably climb higher.....his estimate is only for the actual cost of materials and labor of said wall, neglecting all the private property that'll have to be purchased to place said wall upon.

Then there's the ongoing maintenance, etc. of the wall after it's built. One figure I've seen is a CBO estimate that puts the 10 year cost of the wall at $70 billion.


So, what else could we do with $10 billion a year to discourage illegals from coming to the U.S.?

Maybe instead of putting up what would be the U.S.'s version of the Maginot Line, why not put the money into investing in the economies of where the illegals originate, to stimulate their economies so jobs are created there which would encourage them to stay home? It could also have a side benefit of increasing some demand for U.S. goods in those economies.

Hell, we send over $3 billion a year to Israel right now and what does that get us? If we can sustain that amt. of foreign aid with little in return, why not invest the same in our own hemisphere, a place that would actually do us some good?


I don't know, but it seems that sinking massive amounts of money into something that would end up being as effective as the Great Wall of China was at keeping out the invading "barbarian" hordes (it didn't work), just doesn't make much sense.

 

[Greenman]

I'm just curious.......why do illegals come to this country?

I believe the most agreed upon answer is jobs, right?

And Trump has escalated the cost of the wall he wants to build up to $14 billion, and will probably climb higher.....his estimate is only for the actual cost of materials and labor of said wall, neglecting all the private property that'll have to be purchased to place said wall upon.

Then there's the ongoing maintenance, etc. of the wall after it's built. One figure I've seen is a CBO estimate that puts the 10 year cost of the wall at $70 billion.


So, what else could we do with $10 billion a year to discourage illegals from coming to the U.S.?

Maybe instead of putting up what would be the U.S.'s version of the Maginot Line, why not put the money into investing in the economies of where the illegals originate, to stimulate their economies so jobs are created there which would encourage them to stay home? It could also have a side benefit of increasing some demand for U.S. goods in those economies.

Hell, we send over $3 billion a year to Israel right now and what does that get us? If we can sustain that amt. of foreign aid with little in return, why not invest the same in our own hemisphere, a place that would actually do us some good?


I don't know, but it seems that sinking massive amounts of money into something that would end up being as effective as the Great Wall of China was at keeping out the invading "barbarian" hordes (it didn't work), just doesn't make much sense.

That's way to sensible, we'll never do it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm just curious.......why do illegals come to this country?

I believe the most agreed upon answer is jobs, right?

And Trump has escalated the cost of the wall he wants to build up to $14 billion, and will probably climb higher.....his estimate is only for the actual cost of materials and labor of said wall, neglecting all the private property that'll have to be purchased to place said wall upon.

Then there's the ongoing maintenance, etc. of the wall after it's built. One figure I've seen is a CBO estimate that puts the 10 year cost of the wall at $70 billion.


So, what else could we do with $10 billion a year to discourage illegals from coming to the U.S.?

Maybe instead of putting up what would be the U.S.'s version of the Maginot Line, why not put the money into investing in the economies of where the illegals originate, to stimulate their economies so jobs are created there which would encourage them to stay home? It could also have a side benefit of increasing some demand for U.S. goods in those economies.

Hell, we send over $3 billion a year to Israel right now and what does that get us? If we can sustain that amt. of foreign aid with little in return, why not invest the same in our own hemisphere, a place that would actually do us some good?


I don't know, but it seems that sinking massive amounts of money into something that would end up being as effective as the Great Wall of China was at keeping out the invading "barbarian" hordes (it didn't work), just doesn't make much sense.

In a perfect world that would be great, in reality 10bn per year would be next to nothing after taxes and bribes and embezzlement happens.

 

[Perknose]

The numbers came from the PBS website. I assume reasonable accuracy from them.

"

Can you provide a link? Because I went to pbs.org, the PBS website, and input different combos of trump + wall + cost + mexican, etc, and the best I could find is "Trump has not provided specifics about the wall but says it would cost between $10 billion and $12 billion."

And that is just from Trump, with no specifics.

 

[TheSlamma]

A good brain..... for me to poop on!!!

 

[DrDoug]

The ball washers at the Washington Post have posted a transcript of the interview they did with Drumpf. If you can stomach reading it, it's a stream-of-unconsciousness that ought to scare any sane person. Drumpf stammers a lot and loves to talk about himself rather than the topic at hand. His responses meander all over the place and he unable to stick to any kind of response that actually makes a point.

How bad is it? Try this:

DIEHL: What about China and the South China Sea. What do you think they’re up to and—

TRUMP: I think it’s a terrible situation, I think it’s terrible they have no respect for–

DIEHL: –and what should we do about it?

TRUMP: Well look, we have power over China and people don’t realize it. We have trade power over China. I don’t think we are going to start World War III over what they did, it affects other countries certainly a lot more than it affects us. But—and honestly, you know part of—I always say we have to be unpredictable. We’re totally predictable. And predictable is bad. Sitting at a meeting like this and explaining my views and if I do become president, I have these views that are down for the other side to look at, you know. I hate being so open. I hate when they say — like I said get rid of the oil, keep the oil, different things over the years, when people are saying what would you do with regard to the Middle East, when we left — We should have never been in Iraq. It was a horr- it was one of the worst decisions ever made in the history of our country. We then got out badly, then after we got out, I said, “Keep the oil. If we don’t keep it Iran’s going to get it.” And it turns out Iran and ISIS basically—

HIATT: How do you keep it without troops, how do you defend the oil?

TRUMP: You would… You would, well for that– for that, I would circle it. I would defend those areas.

HIATT: With U.S. troops?

TRUMP: Yeah, I would defend the areas with the oil. And I would have taken out a lot of oil. And, uh, I would have kept it. I mean, I would have kept it, because, look: Iran has the oil, and they’re going to have the oil, well, the stuff they don’t have, because Iran is taking over Iraq as sure as you’re sitting there. And I’ve been very good on this stuff. My prognostications, my predictions have become, have been very accurate, if you look.

Read it if you dare, it might cost you a few brain cells.

 

[disappoint]

He's trying to sound like Mr. Rogers but comes off as a Sesame Street muppet.

I have a good good brain, a very good brain
and I'll be back, when the day is new
and I'll have more ideas for you
and you'll have things you'll want to talk about
I ...will...too...

If Mr. Trump was 1% more like Mr. Rogers instead of 1% more like the 99% in cognition and the 0.1% in bank balance.