I hate you george lucas

[Homerboy]

I can not even bring myself to start in on this conversion. Anyone that thinks the prequels are even good "on their own" are insane. The prequels are HORRIBLE in EVERY way. When you then match them up against the ORIGINAL trilogy... ugh it's unspeakable. There is NOTHING good in the prequels. N_O_T_H_I_N_G. They are so different from the originals too, its as if Lucas etc never even watched the original series.

I'd pay HUNDREDS of dollars to see gorcorps version made. (but please... spare me the over indulgent, masturbatory CGI everywhere)

 

[Homerboy]

So what? You can still watch the damn film - anyone saying "He absolutely destroyed the movies" is just being an obsessive idiot with no sense of perspective.

I can watch the originals on VHS or Laserdisk.
Nobody would bitch about the "Enhanced Versions" if the originals were still available to us in modern formats. They are not, and apparently NEVER will be. HE RUINED THEM FOR EVERYONE.


Sidenote: Everyone talks about the Greedo shot first and the jabba scene being added etc. Does nobody recall the musical scene added to Return of the Jedi? That's the WORST THING EVER.

 

[Homerboy]

Also, don't forget to get your pre-orders in now for the Sept 16th release date!

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/30/star-wars-blu-ray-release-date-set-for-september-16-2011/

PUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE.

 

[Veliko]

I can watch the originals on VHS or Laserdisk.
Nobody would bitch about the "Enhanced Versions" if the originals were still available to us in modern formats. They are not, and apparently NEVER will be. HE RUINED THEM FOR EVERYONE.

Nothing is "ruined". Stop exaggerating. Get some perspective. Get a grip.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I can not even bring myself to start in on this conversion. Anyone that thinks the prequels are even good "on their own" are insane. The prequels are HORRIBLE in EVERY way. When you then match them up against the ORIGINAL trilogy... ugh it's unspeakable. There is NOTHING good in the prequels. N_O_T_H_I_N_G. They are so different from the originals too, its as if Lucas etc never even watched the original series.

I'd pay HUNDREDS of dollars to see gorcorps version made. (but please... spare me the over indulgent, masturbatory CGI everywhere)

I used to think George Lucas was a creative genius. And then the special editions were released and I thought "Man, he must be getting senile, but at least they're still OK." Then the Phantom Menace was released and I thought "Damn, he has completely lost it." The multitude of "special" video releases, coupled with the tragedy that was the last Indiana Jones movie, convinces me that George gets "it" just fine with "it" being the fact that he just cares about money.

I am one of the biggest SW fans around (I still have my figures from the 70s/80s in my closet :awe: ), and even I got fed up and stopped buying the video releases. I still only have the original releases on VHS -- I refused to buy them when he finally caved and put them on DVD in an obvious and shameless grab for money. Now, the blu-ray set is coming out and the originals won't be on it. I'd almost bet money that in a couple of years, a new "special edition" blu-ray set will be released which will magically contain the original releases.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

 

[The Boston Dangler]

you beat me by seconds

 

[Homerboy]

Nothing is "ruined". Stop exaggerating. Get some perspective. Get a grip.

No they are ruined. The original theatrical releases are not available for purchase. Period. You can buy used VHS or Laserdisks, but not the original theatrical releases on DVD or BluRay.

What if somebody colorized Casablanca, or put sound into Nosferatu? And burned the originals forever.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Sidenote: Everyone talks about the Greedo shot first and the jabba scene being added etc. Does nobody recall the musical scene added to Return of the Jedi? That's the WORST THING EVER.

Yeah, I laugh when people scream about the "Greedo shot first" scene and ignore the atrocity perpetrated on audiences via the new musical scene in Jabba's Palace. The horror I felt when viewing that the first time can't be put into words. It made all the Ewok scenes look kickass by comparison. Seriously, Lucas should've been hauled to The Hague and put on trial for crimes against the eyes and ears of humanity for that pile of steaming crap.

 

[Homerboy]

Yeah, I laugh when people scream about the "Greedo shot first" scene and ignore the atrocity perpetrated on audiences via the new musical scene in Jabba's Palace. The horror I felt when viewing that the first time can't be put into words. It made all the Ewok scenes look kickass by comparison. Seriously, Lucas should've been hauled to The Hague and put on trial for crimes against the eyes and ears of humanity for that pile of steaming crap.

:thumbsup:

 

[Veliko]

No they are ruined. The original theatrical releases are not available for purchase. Period. You can buy used VHS or Laserdisks, but not the original theatrical releases on DVD or BluRay.

The fact that you cannot buy the original theatrical releases does not mean the films are ruined at all. You are exaggerating in a most pathetic fashion. Get some perspective please.

What if somebody colorized Casablanca, or put sound into Nosferatu? And burned the originals forever.

Not even remotely the same thing at all. Again, get some perspective.

 

[Homerboy]

The fact that you cannot buy the original theatrical releases does not mean the films are ruined at all. You are exaggerating in a most pathetic fashion. Get some perspective please.



Not even remotely the same thing at all. Again, get some perspective.

Shed some light and perspective on it for me then please. Exactly how are they not ruined? I'd love to show my kids the original versions, but can not. I'd love to watch RoTJ with the musical scene, but can not... They are ruined and tainted.

How are my two examples/comparisons not "even remotely the same thing at all"? Timeless cinematic classics being changed for no apparently reason? I'm sure the creators of Casablanca and/or Nosferatu would have loved to film with color and/or sound respectively. But it is (partially) these very things that are omitted that make them classics for us today. If you were to add them now, and not allow future generations to see the originals, then that is ruining them.

 

[gorcorps]

The fact that you cannot buy the original theatrical releases does not mean the films are ruined at all. You are exaggerating in a most pathetic fashion. Get some perspective please.



Not even remotely the same thing at all. Again, get some perspective.

What aren't you understanding about this? The source material was ruined according to Lucas. They finally gave in and had to release the DVD versions from a Laserdisc copy they found. If you happen to be one of the lucky ones who owns the original untainted copies on VHS or something, AND have a working VCR then that's super... but that's rare and hardly how anybody wants to watch it anymore.

Apparently when updating the original movies for the special editions Lucas forget to click "save as" and just hit "save"... is that clear enough for you? The original source of the untouched trilogy is gone forever for whatever reason. I'm not sure what the fat fucker did to it but that's how it is.

I know you're in denial and you just don't want to admit it, but you need to just say those words and let it go. You'll feel better, I swear. Say it with me: "the original trilogy is gone forever"

 

[Homerboy]

Apparently when updating the original movies for the special editions Lucas forget to click "save as" and just hit "save"... is that clear enough for you? The original source of the untouched trilogy is gone forever for whatever reason. I'm not sure what the fat fucker did to it but that's how it is.

LOL

Somehow I can picture that. We've all done it. Followed by the "aaaaaahhhh....shit?" thought where you just kinda stare at the screen with finger still half-cocked over the mouse button.

 

[gorcorps]

LOL

Somehow I can picture that. We've all done it. Followed by the "aaaaaahhhh....shit?" thought where you just kinda stare at the screen with finger still half-cocked over the mouse button.

Yup. And you try to ctrl+z fruitlessly as the program dings at you, refusing to accept that's not how "undo" works

*pounds head on desk*

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Shed some light and perspective on it for me then please. Exactly how are they not ruined? I'd love to show my kids the original versions, but can not. I'd love to watch RoTJ with the musical scene, but can not... They are ruined and tainted.

How are my two examples/comparisons not "even remotely the same thing at all"? Timeless cinematic classics being changed for no apparently reason? I'm sure the creators of Casablanca and/or Nosferatu would have loved to film with color and/or sound respectively. But it is (partially) these very things that are omitted that make them classics for us today. If you were to add them now, and not allow future generations to see the originals, then that is ruining them.

yep, just like the mona lisa was never intended to be a hologram. the original art is what it is. lucas refuses to step away from the canvas when the work is done, largely because moronic star wars fans facilitate his greed.

for the record, i don't even like the original movies in their original forms. the special editions are much, much worse and lucas only stopped there because he couldn't fit any more visual diarrhea and illogic into them.

 

[Homerboy]

Yup. And you try to ctrl+z fruitlessly as the program dings at you, refusing to accept that's not how "undo" works

*pounds head on desk*

TOTALLY agreed on this too.
Like there's a one a billion chance that this ONE time crl-Z will undo that save, but deep down you know you're screwed.

Oh... did I mention last night's back-up didn't complete too?

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

 

[Homerboy]

yep, just like the mona lisa was never intended to be a hologram. the original art is what it is. lucas refuses to step away from the canvas when the work is done, largely because moronic star wars fans facilitate his greed.

for the record, i don't even like the original movies in their original forms. the special editions are much, much worse and lucas only stopped there because he couldn't fit any more visual diarrhea and illogic into them.

This just even proves the point more. You as a non-fan, non-zealot can see what he did... and at least respect the angst of us fans. He just could not leave well enough alone. It's just stupid.

It'd be really interesting to have a talk like this with him. But he never, EVER will. I don't think it's because he knows he messed up, I just think he doesn't get it.

 

[Veliko]

Shed some light and perspective on it for me then please. Exactly how are they not ruined? I'd love to show my kids the original versions, but can not. I'd love to watch RoTJ with the musical scene, but can not... They are ruined and tainted.

The onus is on you to prove that the changes did ruin the film as you are the one making the claim.

Not being able to view the exact version that was released in the cinema is not proof that the films are ruined - merely proof that things have changed.

How are my two examples/comparisons not "even remotely the same thing at all"? Timeless cinematic classics being changed for no apparently reason? I'm sure the creators of Casablanca and/or Nosferatu would have loved to film with color and/or sound respectively. But it is (partially) these very things that are omitted that make them classics for us today. If you were to add them now, and not allow future generations to see the originals, then that is ruining them.

Nosferatu and Casablanca are products of their time. They are classics of their era in terms of the technological limitations placed upon them. Both colour and sound are things that exist in 'real life' yet were not available at the time of their creation so they were designed around those limitations.

Star Wars was not designed around the limitations available at the time in the same way - there was no "this feature exists in real life but not on film".

 

[Veliko]

What aren't you understanding about this? The source material was ruined according to Lucas. They finally gave in and had to release the DVD versions from a Laserdisc copy they found. If you happen to be one of the lucky ones who owns the original untainted copies on VHS or something, AND have a working VCR then that's super... but that's rare and hardly how anybody wants to watch it anymore.

Apparently when updating the original movies for the special editions Lucas forget to click "save as" and just hit "save"... is that clear enough for you? The original source of the untouched trilogy is gone forever for whatever reason. I'm not sure what the fat fucker did to it but that's how it is.

I know you're in denial and you just don't want to admit it, but you need to just say those words and let it go. You'll feel better, I swear. Say it with me: "the original trilogy is gone forever"

Denial of what? I don't particularly even care for the Star Wars films - enjoyable as they can be they are just films. Entertainment.

Not being able to watch the exact version that was on in the cinema doesn't mean the films have been ruined. They are just a bit different.

 

[Homerboy]

You do realize that 90% of the stuff added to the special editions, he added with the excuse of "Well I wanted to do this at the time, but we didn't have the technology then to do it the way I wanted." right? Or are you just speaking ignorantly?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

It'd be really interesting to have a talk like this with him. But he never, EVER will. I don't think it's because he knows he messed up, I just think he doesn't get it.

he knows, and does not care. people complain with their mouths and praise him with their dollars. i would settle for that, too.

 

[Veliko]

You do realize that 90% of the stuff added to the special editions, he added with the excuse of "Well I wanted to do this at the time, but we didn't have the technology then to do it the way I wanted." right? Or are you just speaking ignorantly?

Glowing ghosts of dead people do not exist in real life. Colour and sound do.

 

[Homerboy]

he knows, and does not care. people complain with their mouths and praise him with their dollars. i would settle for that, too.

Agreed.
Though I don't buy squat of his anymore myself. I just refuse to (granted I guess the real reason is he hasn't put out a product I want to buy)

 

[gorcorps]

Denial of what? I don't particularly even care for the Star Wars films - enjoyable as they can be they are just films. Entertainment.

Not being able to watch the exact version that was on in the cinema doesn't mean the films have been ruined. They are just a bit different.

I was just getting a rise out of you about the denial part.

The original films have a charming simplicity about them. The special editions have a lot of poorly done CGI stuck in there for no reason other than Lucas was rather bored and was limited by his budget and tech at the time (the opposite of what you said). That's fine if you don't like the originals much anyway, but just try to understand that for fans of the originals the special editions are a travesty. It's hard to explain exactly WHY it's so bad, but it is.