AgaBoogaBoo
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JulesMaximus
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JulesMaximus
No Lifer
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Do new Australian cars look like 20 year old American cars? 'Cause that's all I saw in there the last time I checked.
Babbles
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Resale value does blow, and the interior is iffy, but the reliability of this particular engine and tranny is rock solid (good reason why GM was producing trannies for BMW) and the ergonomics are up to individuals (don't let that stop you from judging things :roll: ), but I don't have any issues with it. In fact my Grand Prix seems to be much, much more ergonomic than my old Accord.
I have a gas guzzling inline 4. Probably the owner before me modded the car and caused it the way it is now.
350KM on a 48L fill.
I drive the car every day and warm it up 15min before I go to work and 15min before driving it back home. That would have something to do with the killer the gas mileage I suppose.
But then even during the summer I get 400KM on the same 48L fill and that's with no warmup time.
I agree that gearing would affect the vehicle's mileage as well, especially on the highway.
350KM on a 48L fill.
I drive the car every day and warm it up 15min before I go to work and 15min before driving it back home. That would have something to do with the killer the gas mileage I suppose.
But then even during the summer I get 400KM on the same 48L fill and that's with no warmup time.
I agree that gearing would affect the vehicle's mileage as well, especially on the highway.
You do realize that the fastest way to warm a car up is to drive it? Obviously you don't drive it too hard, or get it anywhere near redline, until it's fully warmed up, of course...
This is completely incorrect. On the contrary, more displacement = more fuel efficient. Less revs and more torque make for a lower specific fuel consumption. This is true for both gas and diesel engines. The engines with the lowest specific fuel consumption are the largest engines ever built.
Big engine
This engine's fuel efficiency far exceeds any car engine. Take a look at it and tell me if you think it has less displacement than a Geo Metro.
- Mar 20, 2000
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for example, the m35 gets 18/25 and the m45 gets 17/23. that is probably almost all gearing. that is, you bought a V8 engine version so you want the throttle to be more responsive. so, even though the gear may be taller on the 45 version, it is a lower gear/torque ratio, giving more spirited performance but slightly worse fuel consumption.
well...while it's true that if engines are sized appropriately to the requirements, bigger engines (like on ships) are more efficient than smaller engines (like on RC cars), many times car engines are really ridiculously oversized for how much horsepower is actually needed. Especially if one model has multiple engine options. It's true that the bigger engine may be more efficient at high power outputs, but when cruising (and only using a small fraction of either engine's potential power output), the smaller engine will probably be more efficient.
dude, i can go through a gallon of gas for an R/C car in a few hours, if im full throttle but then again, that is at 32K rpms... and thats also like 100 refuels
MIKE
well...while it's true that if engines are sized appropriately to the requirements, bigger engines (like on ships) are more efficient than smaller engines (like on RC cars), many times car engines are really ridiculously oversized for how much horsepower is actually needed. Especially if one model has multiple engine options. It's true that the bigger engine may be more efficient at high power outputs, but when cruising (and only using a small fraction of either engine's potential power output), the smaller engine will probably be more efficient.[/quote]
The problem with car engines is that they need to be operated over a wide range of RPMs and power output. If you optimize your engine to perform well at one setting, you're going to give up some performance at another setting. Like you said, when you cruise on the highway you're only using about 40 hp. An engine that is tuned to be capable of 400 hp will not be as efficient at the 40 HP setting as a 70 HP engine at the 40 HP setting. One will be operating in its "sweet spot", while the other one will be out of its peak efficiency range.
That is one of the main reasons that the hybrid cars are so efficient, because the gasoline engine running the generator is able to be sized right for its task and is able to run in its peak efficiency range the majority of the time.
Svnla
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Here is something for those domestics fanboys.
"Two decades ago, General Motors, Ford and Chrysler had 76 percent of the market. Today, it's below 60 percent and falling. "
"But as you get to about three years of ownership, which is when the warranty expires, people tend to have more problems with Detroit vehicles than Japanese vehicles."
"But the U.S. industry has huge expenses ? health care packages for workers cost the Big Three anywhere from $1,000 to $1,500 per vehicle, compared to less than $400 for the Japanese."
"And then there are incentives. To move its vehicles, Detroit offered an average of more than $3,100 in February, nearly three times as much as Japan. It's a trend that GM ? with its falling sales and profits ? says it must reverse."
"Having dominated passenger cars and made inroads with SUVs, Japan now has its sights on Detroit's last big profit center ? pickup trucks.
Toyota cenior vice president Don Esmond says the formula won't change.
"At the end of the day, it's who does the best job of listening to the customer" who is going to be the winner in the high stakes race to capture the loyalty and confidence of America's drivers."
Link from MSNBC.COM
"Two decades ago, General Motors, Ford and Chrysler had 76 percent of the market. Today, it's below 60 percent and falling. "
"But as you get to about three years of ownership, which is when the warranty expires, people tend to have more problems with Detroit vehicles than Japanese vehicles."
"But the U.S. industry has huge expenses ? health care packages for workers cost the Big Three anywhere from $1,000 to $1,500 per vehicle, compared to less than $400 for the Japanese."
"And then there are incentives. To move its vehicles, Detroit offered an average of more than $3,100 in February, nearly three times as much as Japan. It's a trend that GM ? with its falling sales and profits ? says it must reverse."
"Having dominated passenger cars and made inroads with SUVs, Japan now has its sights on Detroit's last big profit center ? pickup trucks.
Toyota cenior vice president Don Esmond says the formula won't change.
"At the end of the day, it's who does the best job of listening to the customer" who is going to be the winner in the high stakes race to capture the loyalty and confidence of America's drivers."
Link from MSNBC.COM
JulesMaximus
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Wow, this thread is like deja vu all over again. Listen! "gas guzzling V8" is accurate for most of the V8s on the road.
3chordcharlie
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A few years ago, the V8-equipped GM F-cars got slightly better mileage than the ones with the ancient 3800 V6.
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