i hate the term 'gas guzzling V8'

[dug777]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: Stumps
cool no holden guys on AT...MAW HAHAHAHA

That's because most people here don't even know WTF a Falcon or a Holden is... they don't even like our so called "Monaro".

Pricks!

 

[Stumps]

Yes American's are an ignorant bunch..if only they knew how good the Falcon is...especially some of the late model ones.

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Mrvile
Right, I'll keep that in mind when my v8 smokes your 4cyl inline Civic POS.

Rightttttt, funny how those POS Civics and imports kick your V8 domestics behinds in market shares...and that FACT.....LOL.

Guess Americans are getting smart and put their money in the right vehicles.

<<--------For the record, never own a Civic

The majority of the car-buying public drive because they have to, not because they want to, or enjoy it. They tend to buy vehicles that are good A-B cars, that will take them to and from their destinations reliably and efficiently. Your basic 4 cyl Accord or Camry does this well.

I personally think those are just about the most boring / bland cars on Earth. I'd rather not go out to the parking lot and wonder "Now which Accord is mine?"

As for your "market shares" statement, this article states

From December to January, Japanese manufacturers gained 1.3% and Korean manufacturers gained 0.3% market share while European manufacturers lost 0.9%, totaling 32.3%, 4.1% and 6.4%, respectively. This was a record high for the Japanese manufacturers. In the same period, domestic manufacturers lost market share, declining from 57.6% to 57.0%.

While domestic market share is falling - granted - it's still WAY ahead of Japanese manufacturers. So much for "POS civics and imports kick your v8 domestics behinds in market shares" :roll:

I do agree with you on the "POS civics" part though. Although there are some (very few) imports that I wouldn't mind owning.

 

[sharkeeper]

150/2400 here...

Still lopsided way over.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: dug777
in Oz it's usually used by uptight wankers who drive old V6 3.8litre Commodores or 4.0L Falcons- the new V8s would be streets ahead, not only in terms of fuel consumption, but perhaps more importantly in terms of emission control.

hey whats wrong with a 3.9-4.1litre falcon? I own one and it goes pretty good, not a good as my 5.8litre XC but still reasonable. as for the V6 crummydore well...nuff said
but you are right, our EFI V8's are miles ahead of smaller "economical" engines, especially in terms of emissions.

Okay, you might as well be speaking fvcking Greek.

Here's what I got out of your last post:

hey whats wrong with a 3.7-4.3litre Ford obscuremobile? I own one and it goes pretty good, not a good as my 5.691litre ZW but still reasonable. as for the V6 dummydore well...nuff said
but you are right, our DGE V9's are miles ahead of smaller "economical" engines, especially in terms of emissions.

 

[smc13]

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: Rhin0

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: smc13
V-8's are gas guzzling. Find a v-8 that gets the fuel economy of a 4 banger.

There are plenty of V8s out there that get 25-30 MPG. Granted, not quite as good as a modern 4 cyl. However, I dare you to find me a 4 banger that provides the HP and torque of a modern V8 - let alone, one that does so while providing better gas mileage.

It's all in where your preferences lie. You want fuel mileage above all else, get a 4 cyl. You want some grunt / power, while still retaining acceptable mileage, get a V8.

Which one? Show me a V-8 that gets 30 MPG.

Chevy Corvette, gets nearly 30mpg hwy.

Their website says 18 city, 28 mpg hwy. Thats really quite difference between the two. I wonder why. they also mention that it is the only 400 HP engine that doesn't incur the gass guzzler penalty. That implies that V-8s are gas guzzlers, doesn't it?

I bolded the important part. According to your statement, the Corvette engine is the "only 400 HP engine that doesn't incur the gas guzzler penalty." This does not imply that V-8s are gas guzzlers at all, since all V8 engines /= 400 HP.

You want a 400 HP engine, you gotta pay the GG tax (unless you buy a 'Vette). You gotta pay to play. However, since most production V8 engines don't even come close to 400 HP, your argument is invalid.

As for the difference between the two mileage figures...what's your point? All cars have significantly lower mileage numbers for city driving, due to the stop-idle-go nature of city driving. Acceleration uses relatively large amounts of fuel (compared to your average) no matter what you're driving.

My point? It is a 10 MPG difference. My 2001 Toyota Tacoma has a two MPG difference (17 19). I am noticing that there is a bigger difference for cars then trucks. It seems that cars have an 7-10 MPG difference and trucks/SUV have a 2-4 MPG difference ( I am looking through fueleconomy.gov)

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Stumps
Yes American's are an ignorant bunch..if only they knew how good the Falcon is...especially some of the late model ones.

Think my first real 'new' car will be an XR8 ute :beer:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Stumps
Yes American's are an ignorant bunch..if only they knew how good the Falcon is...especially some of the late model ones.

I don't even know WTF a Falcon is...unless you are referring to those ancient Ford cars made here in the US like 20+ years ago.

I do know that you are an ornery fvck though.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Stumps
Yes American's are an ignorant bunch..if only they knew how good the Falcon is...especially some of the late model ones.

Think my first real 'new' car will be an XR8 ute :beer:

Nice...I prefer sedans and coupes myself, I find Utes to common where I live...damn B&S.
But I like older cars..my current baby is a 1978 XC Falcon 500 fitted with a worked 5.8litre and a 4spd toploader...I'm almost finished
But for now I will have to be content with my boring XF..still far better than a civic!

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Stumps
Yes American's are an ignorant bunch..if only they knew how good the Falcon is...especially some of the late model ones.

Think my first real 'new' car will be an XR8 ute :beer:

Nice...I prefer sedans and coupes myself, I find Utes to common where I live...damn B&S.
But I like older cars..my current baby is a 1978 XC Falcon 500 fitted with a worked 5.8litre and a 4spd toploader...I'm almost finished
But for now I will have to be content with my boring XF..still far better than a civic!

Lucky ah heck, i had a choice of an XF (i think-where they the last carbied falcons?) panel van, or a 1989 mazda 323.

went the 323 'cos it was in awesome nick, and i've driven it cross the nullarbor 4times in the last year, sits on 140-150 for 4-5hours solid with no complaints but no street cred

 

[Rhin0]

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: Rhin0

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: smc13
V-8's are gas guzzling. Find a v-8 that gets the fuel economy of a 4 banger.

There are plenty of V8s out there that get 25-30 MPG. Granted, not quite as good as a modern 4 cyl. However, I dare you to find me a 4 banger that provides the HP and torque of a modern V8 - let alone, one that does so while providing better gas mileage.

It's all in where your preferences lie. You want fuel mileage above all else, get a 4 cyl. You want some grunt / power, while still retaining acceptable mileage, get a V8.

Which one? Show me a V-8 that gets 30 MPG.

Chevy Corvette, gets nearly 30mpg hwy.

Their website says 18 city, 28 mpg hwy. Thats really quite difference between the two. I wonder why. they also mention that it is the only 400 HP engine that doesn't incur the gass guzzler penalty. That implies that V-8s are gas guzzlers, doesn't it?

someone may have already answered this, I didn't read everything.

The huge difference is probably due to the fact that when you are on the highway and running a constant speed is barely takes any power to maintain that speed (relatively speaking). When you are in town in stop & go traffic that is were gas really does get guzzled.
my 2.5L 4 cylinder just goes on a binge in traffic.

 

[smc13]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Stumps
Yes American's are an ignorant bunch..if only they knew how good the Falcon is...especially some of the late model ones.

I don't even know WTF a Falcon is...unless you are referring to those ancient Ford cars made here in the US like 20+ years ago.

I do know that you are an ornery fvck though.

They are talking about Australian vehicles.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Stumps
Yes American's are an ignorant bunch..if only they knew how good the Falcon is...especially some of the late model ones.

I don't even know WTF a Falcon is...unless you are referring to those ancient Ford cars made here in the US like 20+ years ago.

I do know that you are an ornery fvck though.

They are talking about Australian vehicles.

damn straight we are :frown:

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Stumps
Yes American's are an ignorant bunch..if only they knew how good the Falcon is...especially some of the late model ones.

Think my first real 'new' car will be an XR8 ute :beer:

Nice...I prefer sedans and coupes myself, I find Utes to common where I live...damn B&S.
But I like older cars..my current baby is a 1978 XC Falcon 500 fitted with a worked 5.8litre and a 4spd toploader...I'm almost finished
But for now I will have to be content with my boring XF..still far better than a civic!

Lucky ah heck, i had a choice of an XF (i think-where they the last carbied falcons?) panel van, or a 1989 mazda 323.

went the 323 'cos it was in awesome nick, and i've driven it cross the nullarbor 4times in the last year, sits on 140-150 for 4-5hours solid with no complaints but no street cred

Yeah XF's where the last carbied falcon, mine EFI but it sucks dick, I should have got a carb fed one..they go better, especially with 4 spds, My friend has a similar s pack to mine only his is a carb, 4spd, and it can absolutly hammer mine with out any hassles.
he even gets better economy, the early EFI falcons with the US made EEC4 computer are crap..and are hard to modify, my next daily driver will be carb fed..so much easier to tinker with

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Stumps
Yes American's are an ignorant bunch..if only they knew how good the Falcon is...especially some of the late model ones.

I don't even know WTF a Falcon is...unless you are referring to those ancient Ford cars made here in the US like 20+ years ago.

I do know that you are an ornery fvck though.

They are talking about Australian vehicles.

damn straight we are :frown:

Australians make vehicles?

Do they make any cool ones? :laugh:MAO

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Stumps
Yes American's are an ignorant bunch..if only they knew how good the Falcon is...especially some of the late model ones.

I don't even know WTF a Falcon is...unless you are referring to those ancient Ford cars made here in the US like 20+ years ago.

I do know that you are an ornery fvck though.

They are talking about Australian vehicles.

damn straight we are :frown:

Australians make vehicles?

Do they make any cool ones? :laugh:MAO

http://www.fpv.com.au/index.asp?target=index.asp&link_id=2.161&type_id=45

http://www.fpv.com.au/index.asp?link_id=2.567

DIAT :evil:

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Stumps
Yes American's are an ignorant bunch..if only they knew how good the Falcon is...especially some of the late model ones.

I don't even know WTF a Falcon is...unless you are referring to those ancient Ford cars made here in the US like 20+ years ago.

I do know that you are an ornery fvck though.

They are talking about Australian vehicles.

damn straight we are :frown:

hehe American falcons were crap..we only had one true US falcon the 1960 XK..it almost killed ford in australia..it was bloody shocking, the next couple of model wernt much better, until 1965 with the all aussie XR (Except the V8 which was the mustang 289cu) and are ten times better than any US product of the time..and Aussie Falcons got better and better and now are compared with Mercedes benz and BMW's...not poor quality US products

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Mrvile
Right, I'll keep that in mind when my v8 smokes your 4cyl inline Civic POS.

Rightttttt, funny how those POS Civics and imports kick your V8 domestics behinds in market shares...and that FACT.....LOL.

Guess Americans are getting smart and put their money in the right vehicles.

<<--------For the record, never own a Civic

The majority of the car-buying public drive because they have to, not because they want to, or enjoy it. They tend to buy vehicles that are good A-B cars, that will take them to and from their destinations reliably and efficiently. Your basic 4 cyl Accord or Camry does this well.

I personally think those are just about the most boring / bland cars on Earth. I'd rather not go out to the parking lot and wonder "Now which Accord is mine?"

As for your "market shares" statement, this article states

From December to January, Japanese manufacturers gained 1.3% and Korean manufacturers gained 0.3% market share while European manufacturers lost 0.9%, totaling 32.3%, 4.1% and 6.4%, respectively. This was a record high for the Japanese manufacturers. In the same period, domestic manufacturers lost market share, declining from 57.6% to 57.0%.

While domestic market share is falling - granted - it's still WAY ahead of Japanese manufacturers. So much for "POS civics and imports kick your v8 domestics behinds in market shares" :roll:

I do agree with you on the "POS civics" part though. Although there are some (very few) imports that I wouldn't mind owning.

The majority of the public want a good reliable vehicle to get the job done. They could buy V8 domestics but why pay more for gas and maintaince while imports can get the job done for less.

Well, let see, GM used to have 40% plus market share in the 1950s. Now, they are barely 25% (including fleet sales and employees/supplier sales discounts), even with all the HUGE incentives and rebates, gimmicks and all. Imports do have incentives but not as much but, they are gainning market shares. Enough said about Ford and Chrysler (it is own by Benz now). That's what I mean by my previous post.

I agree with your statements about import stylings and designs. They are too cookie cuter, but the new Tacoma and Campry are very decent looking.

BTW, domestics are guilty of bad designs/stylings too. Such as the Artecz, almost all of the Buick sedans (they are even worse looking than any Accords/Camprys).

I never say all domestics are POS or bashing them as other posters said, but I think they need to do a better job in quality/reliabilty/resale value.

<<<----used to work with UAW union workers for a few years.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Stumps
Yes American's are an ignorant bunch..if only they knew how good the Falcon is...especially some of the late model ones.

I don't even know WTF a Falcon is...unless you are referring to those ancient Ford cars made here in the US like 20+ years ago.

I do know that you are an ornery fvck though.

They are talking about Australian vehicles.

damn straight we are :frown:

Australians make vehicles?

Do they make any cool ones? :laugh:MAO

http://www.fpv.com.au/index.asp?target=index.asp&link_id=2.161&type_id=45

http://www.fpv.com.au/index.asp?link_id=2.567

DIAT :evil:

So, you have the Ford Volvo and some El Camino looking thing.

The Ford Volvo looks decent on paper though. How much does it cost?

 

[Stumps]

I think I covered the history of the "Important" Aussie cars in this thread, Dug777 feel free to add any I missed.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1527238&enterthread=y

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: sharkeeper

150/2400 here...

Still lopsided way over.

perhaps, but I need a car for work (#$^% bus doesn't go there), and I couldn't get a much lighter one unless I bought a Lotus.

 

[sharkeeper]

DIAT

Die In A Toilet?

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: Rhin0

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: smc13
V-8's are gas guzzling. Find a v-8 that gets the fuel economy of a 4 banger.

There are plenty of V8s out there that get 25-30 MPG. Granted, not quite as good as a modern 4 cyl. However, I dare you to find me a 4 banger that provides the HP and torque of a modern V8 - let alone, one that does so while providing better gas mileage.

It's all in where your preferences lie. You want fuel mileage above all else, get a 4 cyl. You want some grunt / power, while still retaining acceptable mileage, get a V8.

Which one? Show me a V-8 that gets 30 MPG.

Chevy Corvette, gets nearly 30mpg hwy.

Their website says 18 city, 28 mpg hwy. Thats really quite difference between the two. I wonder why. they also mention that it is the only 400 HP engine that doesn't incur the gass guzzler penalty. That implies that V-8s are gas guzzlers, doesn't it?

I bolded the important part. According to your statement, the Corvette engine is the "only 400 HP engine that doesn't incur the gas guzzler penalty." This does not imply that V-8s are gas guzzlers at all, since all V8 engines /= 400 HP.

You want a 400 HP engine, you gotta pay the GG tax (unless you buy a 'Vette). You gotta pay to play. However, since most production V8 engines don't even come close to 400 HP, your argument is invalid.

As for the difference between the two mileage figures...what's your point? All cars have significantly lower mileage numbers for city driving, due to the stop-idle-go nature of city driving. Acceleration uses relatively large amounts of fuel (compared to your average) no matter what you're driving.

My point? It is a 10 MPG difference. My 2001 Toyota Tacoma has a two MPG difference (17 19). I am noticing that there is a bigger difference for cars then trucks. It seems that cars have an 7-10 MPG difference and trucks/SUV have a 2-4 MPG difference ( I am looking through fueleconomy.gov)

aerodynamics trucks have none .

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Stumps
I think I covered the history of the "Important" Aussie cars in this thread, Dug777 feel free to add any I missed.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1527238&enterthread=y

Bah, I stopped reading that useless thread weeks ago. All the posts of 20+ year old cars was getting old...no pun intended.

At least dug linked to some Aussie cars made in this century. :laugh:

 

[Babbles]

I don't have a V8, but my V6 in my Grand Prix gets ~25-28MPG on average. Beign that it is a domestic car, it is supposed to have awful gas mileage, right?