You could also not want performance to be impacted. I perform a lot better across the board at higher bodyfat than I do when I'm cutting. And the best part is, I look as good or better with higher bodyfat. I'll get pictures of me at 215 and me at 250 and you can see the difference. I know I'm not most people for 90% of the population your options are correct.
You could also not want performance to be impacted. I perform a lot better across the board at higher bodyfat than I do when I'm cutting. And the best part is, I look as good or better with higher bodyfat. I'll get pictures of me at 215 and me at 250 and you can see the difference. I know I'm not most people for 90% of the population your options are correct.
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no just that i think it is a better weight than 220 to 230 at that height.
no. with that picture it does just look like you have a lot of uper body mass that at your weight would leave little for the rest of your body. you probably have a small frame with a lot of muscle. i have a bigger frame than you but you are definitly more muscular by a large amount. my size is not unusual for scandanavians. i also have large hips. probably mountain genes. probably gives you stability on the mountain side.
no but looking at google image means it is approxiamate.
my shape does not affect the value of full body workouts. if you want just some big muscles or such than you do not need to. but if you want to be athletically fit than it is a very good idea. i have done circuit training before and it is a lot different than just lifting weights even if you do not go any higher than what you can do normally in each excercise.
you said you had a ct fletcher attitude before maybe you are going form one extreme to the other. just wondering why you want to lose mass in your core when you do not look fat at all. am not trying to look better than you. you can still have big and visable abs.
that was the lie I told myself for letting myself eat too much and stay legitimately too big. I was moving some serious weight. it just got to be too much.
How many on here have tripled a 465 on a bench press at ANY bodyweight? (not belly benched, small arch in back, no shirt, touch and go deeper than 90 degrees)
who on here could rep out (5-7) ATG squats with 5 plates+?
I would military press for reps what people at the gym couldn't max bench (260-275).
I went after big numbers and being the strongest guy in the gym... for the most part I was; but you know what came with that? FAT. It was an excuse to eat. If I had a bench or squat day, I ate and ate the day before.
like in the video in previous post, who gives a sh!t what you used to do! 100% agree with that. We are a what can you do for me now type of society. I see a ton of people talk smack at the gym about how much they lift. I have an unbelievably good BS detector when it comes to that because I have moved the weight others say they have.
story time:
for example, guy I know around town talking how he was a d1 tailback, but he never played a down of football in college. He "thought it would be more fun to drink". Anyways, same individual made claims to a 600+ squat; in high school none the less. I did power meets (bench and powerclean were the only two lifts) and won my weight class at my highschool my jr and sr years. I was benching around 330-340 and I could squat around 350-400. few guys could do 4 plates at the time. He's a couple yrs younger so maybe he was just a freak.....
... then he goes over to the squat rack at the gym and first thing he does is throw the pad on... HUGE red flag. a 600 squatter at any point in his life wouldn't need a pad.. then he throws 2 plates on and does, what I refer to as, football squats.. maybe 1/2 way to parallel.
-> so really, you are going to use the pad for a 225 squat that you can't even do legitimately one time and you think for a second I believe your BS about squating 600 as a teenager?
story time over:
My "performance" (strength) isn't what it used to be, but with the lifestyle and work schedule I have now, I just can't maintain that and be healthy-> weight wise and injury wise. You can't take 4-6 months off and expect to push the weights I was year after year. I am still strong, but in reality I 'look' stronger now than when I was actually strong. not a direct correlation between muscle size and muscle strength.
we can go round and round, but it comes down to:
not everyone's goals are the same
everyone's self image is skewed (for better or worse)
I'm an arrogant asshole that wishes I was "big"
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Oh I completely agree everyone has different goals. I wasn't saying you were wrong, just throwing one more option out there. With me the performance is more in BJJ than lifting. I can still move more than enough weight when I'm cutting, within reason. The sad part is how much cutting, even cutting hard, doesn't seem to matter. Pics below, The one thing to keep in mind at 215 I was on a hard core cut dieting for months and cut ~5lbs of water to make weight. At 250 I'm on a bulking diet which basically means I'm eating whatever just putting on mass. Not eating tons of crap just not counting macro's and it's the end of the day on a full belly after dinner. Basically at 215 I look as thin as I could at the time and at 250 I couldn't get any worse.
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what is "athletically fit"? I can walk 40+ minutes at 4.3 mph on a treadmill without trouble. I can run a 5k. I can do intervals on a step mill for 15 minutes.
I incorporate short rest sessions into my training as well as drop sets. I don't need a circuit training full body workout.
I had a CT fletcher style attitude... I wanted to be the biggest, baddest (strongest) guy in the gym. for the most part I was (maybe just blind arrogance). as I got older, and hopefully wiser, I just wanted to look better. what good was a huge bench if I wore a 38 jean and on the street you just looked like every other chunker that ate too much?
I sent you a PM, would like to train with you some time if you happen to be relatively close to me
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You have a powerlifter build.. that isn't a bad thing. I trained heavy for years and I feel it is what separates me from some of the guys I train with. I always say I am 3-dimensional -> I am thick front to back and side to side. while others only get that lat taper (side to side) to them.
Why do you think 215 is as thin as you could look?
wasn't going to post my fat pic... but who gives a sh!t now.
this is me a couple yrs ago at 235 (I'm 5'8"). This was as lean as I thought I could get. Not too long after I was back up to about 245-250. I had to lose damn near 50 lbs just to find my waist. it is hard physically and mentally
I meant at that time, I was strict with my diet for ~3 months leading up to the tournament then cut the rest in water to make weight. I'm sure it's possible for me to look more lean at 215. Just like it's possible for me to look more lean at 250. I'm ok with my build, I'd like to lean out a little more but I'm going to do it slowly. I figure it'll happen when it happens. I keep tweaking my diet which helps with both weight and performance. I feel like I'm seeing the results I'd like to in about the time frame I'd like to see them in.
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pretty much affects the whole conversation.
i think you look better at 250. how much muscle mass did you lose? the pictures are not really the best to compare.
less muscle. more bones and fat. could lose more fat and gain more muscle.
everyone has their own goals. you are likely very fit. but if you started doing more cardio and circuit training you would be more fit. just like if you did something else that you do not currently do.
http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2009/05/27/how-to-look-like-daniel-craig-in-casino-royale/
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/the-james-bond-builder-skyfall-trainer-simon-waterson.html
i read a magazine while shopping that said something about daniel craig using some type of excercise to get fit in a short amount of time. not sure if i found it but whatever. probably high intesity circuit training.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrossFit
again variation makes a huge difference.
http://www.thejiujitsuway.com/category/water-training/
anything in water is usually good.
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same here. i have a thick rib cage. i wear 40 to 42 right now. i like to wear loose clothing thogh. i could probably go down a size or 2 by losing extra fat but my big hips and butt might not let me go much farther.
I didn't lose too much muscle I was smart about the cut and continued to lift heavy. I was still able to squat 495 which I believe I just PR'd with before the cut from 235-240. It's been a few years so the details aren't quite 100%. I felt the most adverse effects in my cardio/endurance I clearly didn't have as much glycogen which hurt it quite a bit. I also feel I look better at 250 and I've clearly put on a good deal of muscle and maintained about the same bodyfat %. I'm sure if I cut a few lbs of water I would look considerably better.
I wear size 36 pants because 34's don't fit my thighs/butt right and if I wore then I probably couldn't make it up stairs so I just wear a belt to keep these in place. If you're really 5'11 and 235 you're well over 20% bf wearing 40-42's unless you have gigantic woman hips because I thought mine were bad. You'd be surprised how much lower you could go. because I know I could get my waist down a size or 2 and maintain (most of) my muscle mass.
And try not comparing yourself to elite MMA fighters or any truly elite athletes, 99.999% of the population can't be put in the same group as them. I doubt anyone posting on this forum has the athletic ability of any active UFC fighter. JDS did lots of stuff in his training camp to try to make himself better I doubt much of it hurt his cardio. Having 240lbs laying on you the way Cain can would gas pretty much anyone.
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was thinking 38 would be where i could easily go. you might be right about being surprised. maybe guess i do not know. my hips are big though. i was good at endurance running in school even since i was a little kid. i have a big lower body.
not shape wise. i do have a big frame though. i was going to say muscle mass but a lot of mma fighters are not that big. just fit lean and trained.
this did.
https://www.google.com/search?q=jds...:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb
true. but another thing to remember is that cain is not that big of a fighter. he wrestled in the 285 devision at 240 to 250. cain is a skilled wrestler. like any skilled wrestler cain knows how to use weight and momemtem to keep people down not just huge stregth. brock weighed 280 to 285 at fight time yet he could not keep cain down. cain has a lot of experience fighting bigger wrestlers. hence cain laying 240 lbs the way he can i guess.
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http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/state_parks/afton/index.html
now might be a great time for skiing. do both cross country and downhill.
now might be a great time for skiing. do both cross country and downhill.
if you are pushing 40 or 42 pants, you are too fat... no bodyfat % needed. You can talk about bodyweight, BMI, bodyfat %, but if you waist is 40" or bigger you need to lose weight/fat. for shits.. what is your chest size?
I got to wearing a 38 at one point and that was far too big for my liking. There are a lot of lies you can get yourself to believe but wearing a 40+ pant is something pretty objective that is hard to ignore.
Without knowing anything else, and thus at risk of being wrong, I'd agree. I'm between you and norse in height (5' 10") and wear a 32" (with a belt) at 185#. Mind you, that's of course a far cry from 235, although I've gained 10# in the last year without my pant size changing (although the thighs are now a lot more snug).
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Been working pretty hard the last few months and took some "progress" pics... thought I would share one.
206 lbs. 5'8" I would approximate my BF at 10-13%
18.25" arms
35" waist
25.5" legs
Something is obviously wrong here. I am close to 206 pounds and my physique is closer to Homer Simpson's
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Completely off-topic, but I'm excited to join the group of people here who have energy. I think the energy to pursue fitness goals is something a lot of people take for granted because most of them haven't had to regularly fight with a lack of energy outside of being sick or staying up too late. I've struggled with low energy my entire life and last year finally hit the nail on the head with a "grains family" allergy. Grains (wheat/rice/corn/oats/sugarcane) are basically my kryptonite and totally saps my energy, but there's no test for it (outside some stuff like Ige tests that aren't 100% accurate for gluten allergies), so I just never knew because it mostly just left me fatigued all the time.
I struggled going off some of those foods over the last few months (corn in particular, since it's in EVERYTHING), but finally committed to ditching them as part of my New Year's Resolution and BOY do I feel better! It makes me wonder how many people are labeled as lazy & struggle with staying motivated, when they're really just struggling with something like a hidden food allergy that is preventing them from feeling good. Your body is designed to feel better after you eat, after you exercise, after you get a full night's sleep, etc. and I was never able to consistently get those experiences.
Growing up, I avoided sports & anything super physical because it was too much effort since I never had the energy to really go after them. I was basically tired all the time and doing cardio & strength-training activities left me feeling drained instead of pumped. There's an enormous difference in my day-to-day activities when I eat within my body's guidelines. Hopping on my elliptical isn't a chore when I feel good, but it's Mount Everest when I'm under the influence of my food allergens.
And it's not ever so bad that I break out in a rash or get swollen skin, it's just a horrible energy drain that leaves me tired all of the time. Again, I'd be curious to see how people who are called lazy would react on the proper diet (like an Elimination Diet for food allergies) because I'd imagine, under normal circumstances, everyone would have a driving motivation from energy if they actually felt good on a regular basis.
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you look fantastic. nice work! No wonder you posted a photo of yourself!
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Proper diet is everything. the general population doesn't even know how sh!tty they feel anymore. they think they're hungry when they are thirsty and their bodies are calling out for water.
speaking of energy, been looking for a new preworkout. I bought a few different one's
ON Pre
Gaspari superpump
Isatori PWR
MTS Clash
Jack3D - original, micro, and advanced
Universal Rage
the orginal Jack3d is still the OG as far I am concerned, can't go wrong with it, but I tried ronnie's yesterday -> myo-blitz. Holy shit. I am not sensitive to stims and I took this at noon and I will still rollin at 8:30 last night:
you look fantastic. nice work! No wonder you posted a photo of yourself!
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Something is obviously wrong here. I am close to 206 pounds and my physique is closer to Homer Simpson's
might be just your hair style?
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I was at the grocery store the other night and they actually had Jicama for sale (aka the Mexican potato/turnip). If you've never had one, it's sort of like a week-old apple as far as taste goes - mildly sweet. But you can rice it, put it in a stir-fry, eat it raw, etc. Anyway, the checkout guy (who was like 40) had no idea how to punch it into the system, so I had to explain what it was and he promptly told me how he refused to eat healthy. He was proud of it!
He explained how one of his family members had bought him the "natural" Cheetos for Christmas and eating them had actually made him sick, how he stuck to a diet of processed foods and loved it, etc. The food industry is ingenious - you make a product that creates such an addiction that people will stand up for it & refuse to dump it. He was standing there defending & justifying his poor diet to me, all triggered by me purchasing a vegetable.
I think you're right, people don't even know what a haze they live in. I see it at work all the time - fueled by coffee & donuts, people have emotional & energy highs & lows all day and have no clue, just zero clue, that it's all caused by what they eat. I had no idea before I was more or less forced to get healthy through my food allergies that food had any real correlation to how you feel, as silly as that sounds. But that's how it is.
I hear ya. After I setup a few irrigators I had about 1/2 hr window I could go into town and grab a snack in the summer. I would get a coffee and two bananas at the gas station. I would watch what people would buy. You'd see the same people day after day. for example Obese women in late 40's/early 50's, buying 3 monster energy drinks.
I went grocery shopping just yesterday. late 20's guy passes buy me and I see what he has in his cart ->
4 cases of soda
box of cereal
frozen pizza
2 5# bags of sugar
Your guy at the register will realize when he's lying and grasping at his chest or needs a kidney transplant from his diabetes that he should have never bought into the bs lies he told himself.
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i also have very wide feet. i wear 13 4e. the new balances taht are 13 4e do not even fit me but they are supposed to run thin anyways. 12.5 might be my right size but there is not much point in trying to find 12.5 4e when 13 4e are much more available. i would give you a measurement and this is why i more or less did not respond and then i got my computer parts so i just forgot about it. i have a measuring tape but i do not know where any string is. funny how that would seem to be easier to find 10 or 15 years ago. but i am lazy so i really have not been willing to put that much effort into finding some. and yes i am very lazy. just remember that. also i do have some back problems and that is why i do not lift heavy weights. but that does not prevent me from doing cardio or shadow boxing or bag work or such. it does make it harder for me because i am a ab personality and energy type taht will often be very lazy and then go full force into athletic exercise. but my back problems mean i have to be careful how much i strain my body. but i can bike and such and do squats and push ups so i should be able to get into shape. if i told you how much i really excercies you would call me a pile of composting manure. fortunatly i have good genetics so i can get results fairly quick.
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know where i can get energy supplements with taurine and b vitamins but no caffiene or hard stimulints. i really do not drink energy drinks that often but whenever i do my body feels good and i think it is the taurine. also what protein sources do you use. i had to start using protein powder because otherwise i was eating too much salt. you can easily get 7 grams of salt or more from a large meal at wendys. really have not been taking it that much lately but my body often craves protein and i do not eat that many carbs.
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