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Zivic

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Both, you've got bigger arms but I don't curl. Squat 550 deadlift 600 @ 6' 240-250lbs, fairly lean.

this is not to be a dick, but being objective from the pics I have seen... but I have gone through your thread and your build isn't on the same level as mine; at least not in terms of your overall aesthetics. maybe you have made some serious improvements since you posted your last pics???

even at my heaviest/fattest I "looked" better than what I see you posted.. and by better I mean, more muscular and defined.

if you really are 6' and "fairly lean" at 240+ you are a monster. fairly lean means you have visible abs (sub 15% bodyfat).... at that weight and composition your arms would most likely be bigger than mine.
 

momeNt

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I think he said he was a farmer somewhere. I don't know if there is much size to profession correlation. I'm bigger than him and do IT.

Not asking about that. I just wanted to know if he had an active job or a sedentary job. The difference for a guy his size is probably 500-1500 calories depending on his type of labor. Maybe even more.
 

Zivic

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Not asking about that. I just wanted to know if he had an active job or a sedentary job. The difference for a guy his size is probably 500-1500 calories depending on his type of labor. Maybe even more.

This is how I am eating pretty much year round. I try to keep my activity level up even in my off season
 

Pantlegz

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this is not to be a dick, but being objective from the pics I have seen... but I have gone through your thread and your build isn't on the same level as mine; at least not in terms of your overall aesthetics. maybe you have made some serious improvements since you posted your last pics???

even at my heaviest/fattest I "looked" better than what I see you posted.. and by better I mean, more muscular and defined.

if you really are 6' and "fairly lean" at 240+ you are a monster. fairly lean means you have visible abs (sub 15% bodyfat).... at that weight and composition your arms would most likely be bigger than mine.

I'm probably floating around 15% I haven't posted a picture since January 2012, and that was coming off a pretty serious weight cut at like 215. You probably are more cut than I will ever be but I'm ok with that. Even at low body fat my skin folds are just thick. Based on the number of pro fighters I interact with daily that tell me I'm a monster, I think it might be true. Not pretty but big and athletic
 

z1ggy

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I'm probably floating around 15% I haven't posted a picture since January 2012, and that was coming off a pretty serious weight cut at like 215. You probably are more cut than I will ever be but I'm ok with that. Even at low body fat my skin folds are just thick. Based on the number of pro fighters I interact with daily that tell me I'm a monster, I think it might be true. Not pretty but big and athletic

My old MMA coach was 6 foot 240. He was a fecking tank and a half. Seen him shirtless many a times, and it was scary. Based on my own body fat right now, I'd estimate him to be around 12% body fat or so. He had veins and abs, but you couldn't actually see individual muscle fibers in his arms/legs etc.
 

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Good job counting calories. I'm not looking forward to it when I have to cut down 9lbs later in the year, luckily I'm at 23% bodyfat so it's technically doable but going to be cutting it close for the lower weight class.
 

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Looking at that picture I suspected chicken legs (sorry, saw WAY too many such people :D), but with the intent to get them up it's fine.
Nice arms, but don't go any bigger so you don't look like Greg Valentino :D
 

Zivic

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Looking at that picture I suspected chicken legs (sorry, saw WAY too many such people :D), but with the intent to get them up it's fine.
Nice arms, but don't go any bigger so you don't look like Greg Valentino :D

leg day is today... actually doing legs (and arms) twice a week.
 
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1. what roid cycle are you on? I was thinking of doing a test / tren / anadrol...what do you think?

2. Pics of abs? I'd like to see what 10 -13% body fat looks like on the core
 

norseamd

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I am working on getting it down, but where I am now it's slow going.

I never did it back in my "strong" days because it ironically made my waist too big...

Now my concern falls on my test levels.

then do not lose muscle mass in your core. total testosterone is dependent on total muscle mass. your core is also important in all the exercies you do.

it comes down to 24/7 commitment to my diet.... and in that regard, I am still learning. the lifting and training is easy. it's the other 150-some hours a week that will kill your progress

rest and diet probably deserve more attention than excercise. overtraining is one of the most common mistakes. do you really need to lift every day. would you consider cardio every day instead and then lift 3 to 5 days a week?

oh, to be 4" taller. 220-230 would be a good weight at 6'2"

250+ would be better in my opinion. brock is 280+ at 6'3". and his legs are not intirely proportional to his size. he could be bigger. even cain is 245 and he tries to keep his weight down.
 

norseamd

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Why do people have separate days for legs and arms?

so they can work out more while getting rest for the previously worked area. he should still be doing a full body workout once a week in my opinion and may well do that. do circuit training. you will not get big without rest.
 

norseamd

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I'm 6 foot and weigh 330 pounds. Maybe one day I can look like you.

focus first on diet than excercise. eat good food first rather than eating less. you will like bad food less and good food more eventually. you only need to excercise as much as you want to at first. you should want to get your muscles in shape before trying to lose fat. eventually excercise will become easier and then you can think about what to do next.
 

John Connor

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I do have a treadmill and haven't even used the damn thing. Most of my weight is in my gut. I hear that's the hardest to get rid of. Because of my back and how fat I am I can't even do a sit up.
 

John Connor

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Well I eat out most times so there you go. Mostly Philly cheeses steak sandwiches, Wendy's, etc. But I have cut down some. I need to cut down on my portions first so the doc tells me. I eat two foot long Philly's. LOL
 

Zivic

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then do not lose muscle mass in your core. total testosterone is dependent on total muscle mass. your core is also important in all the exercies you do.

age and genetics are likely bigger factors with test levels.



rest and diet probably deserve more attention than excercise. overtraining is one of the most common mistakes. do you really need to lift every day. would you consider cardio every day instead and then lift 3 to 5 days a week?

the way I train now I can do 6-7 days of training. when I lifted max-ot style, I could not. overtraining in my experience is more related to ones joints, CNS and just needing a mental break. Muscles recover pretty quickly. I have read studies that muscle recovery can be as high as 80% in just 8 hrs. If your diet is dialed in, cardio is very low on the priority list. I am to a point I am cutting back to only a couple days a week of cardio



250+ would be better in my opinion. brock is 280+ at 6'3". and his legs are not intirely proportional to his size. he could be bigger. even cain is 245 and he tries to keep his weight down.
Not sure if serious about the brock comment. Please post up a pick of you being even close to a somewhat lean 240 at 6'+ tall. It's easy to pick out a select few and say look how tall brock is and he weighs 280. This isn't realistic for 99.9999% of people. People have a very skewed look at what big is:
here's Flex Lewis @ 220. He competes at 212. How many guys you know look like he does at that weight?
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there is a kind of general rule. if a guy is a legit 220+ and 10% or less bodyfat he likely is using.
 
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Zivic

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Why do people have separate days for legs and arms?

training splits. You can google it.


so they can work out more while getting rest for the previously worked area. he should still be doing a full body workout once a week in my opinion and may well do that. do circuit training. you will not get big without rest.

I have never done full body -> unless you count deads or squats as full body.

rest is important, but rest isn't defined objectively for everyone. on the same note, "big" is a very subjective/relative term. I have been hanging 202-204 this last week and I doubt anyone on this forum wouldn't call me "big" if they saw me in the gym.

you previously spoke about overtraining. I have been down that road, but like I said, it is more a CNS related thing in my experience. I have been training a long time. I know my body and what is too much. for example -> sleeping patterns changing are the first thing I notice when I need to take a break. First thing I usually see is I have a hard time sleeping through the night, or even falling asleep at night. then there are times when I falling asleep mid afternoon. those are my first signs of overtraining. If I try to push through those, my appetite is affected. I lose my appetitie for the majority of the day and then come 8-9 pm, I'll suddenly become hungry.

My training has evolved overtime. for a long time I followed AST's MAX-OT training. in a general sense it is progressive overload. this is a great way to train for a lot of people. I got very strong and put on good size. I don't think I would look the way I do today without using that training for the years I did. My lifestyle hurt me a bit as my training is focused to mainly october through april. My muscles would come back very quickly after the "offseason", but my joints took longer and opened me up to injury. I have evolved my training to a more bodybuilding style that allows me to train more days.

In a general sense, Jerry's video on training is pretty much the way I have evolved my training.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDGb_uHRRv0
 

norseamd

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not a lean 240 at a 6 foot. about 235 at 5'11.5"+ with some fat. looking at google image search it looks like i am at 20% body fat. not obese but fedor fat. i am not in the greatest shape though and could lose said fat and still gain a fair amount more muscle. 15% would be good in my opinion. no need to be thin to me. cain looks like he might be 15%. that fat contains energy and that gives cardio. look at what happened when jds overtrained and lost a lot of fat for the second fight. cain annihilated him.

could not watch the video as i have no sound right now.
 

Zivic

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not a lean 240 at a 6 foot. about 235 at 5'11.5"+ with some fat. looking at google image search it looks like i am at 20% body fat. not obese but fedor fat. i am not in the greatest shape though and could lose said fat and still gain a fair amount more muscle. 15% would be good in my opinion. no need to be thin to me. cain looks like he might be 15%. that fat contains energy and that gives cardio. look at what happened when jds overtrained and lost a lot of fat for the second fight. cain annihilated him.

could not watch the video as i have no sound right now.


Post a pic... I bet side by side I would look bigger than you at 30+ lbs less bodyweight.
 

norseamd

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upper body probably. but anyways i do not care. i would have to go get a camera and i am building a computer right now. at least when the last of my parts get here.
 

Zivic

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upper body probably. but anyways i do not care. i would have to go get a camera and i am building a computer right now. at least when the last of my parts get here.

Legs and upper body.. I train legs harder than my upper body. Just because I have big arms doesn't mean my legs are lacking.

I really don't care either. I would applaud you if you were bigger than I was and at least as lean. what I do, I do for me. I just think it's humorous; I interpret what you are saying as unless you are 250... maybe even 280 your aren't big. further you are implying that if I have big arms I likely don't have big legs. AND to go even further you are saying your are 20% bodyfat... which means you are high enough that you really can't tell what % you actually are and you giving out advise to me like I should be doing full body workouts......

not everyone has the same goals. My goals are obviously different than yours. that said, if you could magically drop to sub 15% bodyfat, have visible abs, you would do without hesitation. there is a reason you are 20%(realistically probably higher). You might say it's because you want to be. as a person that has been there and done that dance, I can tell you, you are where you are potentially for a couple reasons:
1.) you are lying to yourself about "wanting to be"
2.) you are too lazy to do what is required to lose the fat

I might come across as arrogant, but I have done things a lot of others secretly wish they could. I get told regularly by guys at my gym that they don't like coming to the gym when they see me working out because I make them feel bad about their builds - > some of them are people I have no interaction with. heck a guy I trained with from time to time asked me last week what I weighed. I replied about 205.... he says no really what do you weigh?? again, i said 205... he drops his head and says you ruined my week. he says I am 220 and don't look anywhere near as big as you... he was serious and it was true. At 15 lbs less I was bigger.

I hear other people comment that "I could look like that if I juiced"... maybe you could I tell them.

I am not the end all be all. there are a lot of people bigger, stronger, leaner, more aesthetically pleasing than I am. I have worked damn hard to get where I am. sometimes it's hard to read people via the net, but I get the sense you are trivializing my build/workouts. I try to be a straight shooter and call them as I see them... and right now, other than Koing's build, I am not seeing anything comparable to what I have put together. If that's arrogance so be it. maybe it's me being a little naive and/or ignorant... have people post up pics. it would be awesome to have a tech forum full of jacked people that love training.

You are only seeing a part of me on this forum. Sure I'm an asshole at times, heck maybe even most of the time, but I would love for everyone replying to any of my threads to be better than I am -> stronger, leaner, bigger. I have trained for the better part of 20 yrs. some years better than others, and it took me that long to really get my body figured out. I always had the training aspect figured out, but it's the 150-160 hrs outside the gym that is biggest factor. It's easy to lie to yourself and think you are doing what needs to be done... it's harder to bite the bullet and actually do it.


I keep referencing BIOS3TRAINING, but I feel we have a lot of the same mindset. I would like to train with him and see how our styles compare, but here's another good video I watched today warming up for my training today. I am trying to take this to heart:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLhkVmj9dX8