I Don't Know If Joe Can Do It

[K1052]

What I am saying is let’s not get lazy and there are no bonus point for winning by a 100 point margin. Focus on what it takes to win, don’t bother trying to flip TX or MS.

Fortunately I don't think Trump is going to forget to be himself and not keep supplying the electorate with reminders that they don't like him and think he's horribly incompetent.

 

[Muse]

I like to see him drag the dregs of the Republican party with him.

That's a big part of the reason I want to see a blowout for Biden. If that happens a likely collapse/deflation of the R-party should happen simultaneously. At least near term (i.e. the next decade) I think that would be a healthy development in the USA.

 

[Jhhnn]

Gawd. Comparing 2020 to 2016 is like comparing 2008 to 2004. Both shifts are driven by catastrophic events. What mattered in 2008 was entirely different from what mattered in 2004 & likewise today. Back then it was the collapse of the housing bubble & the economy. Today it's the pandemic & even more dire economic straits for ordinary Americans. It took GWB & the GOP 8 years to screw the pooch last time but now Trump & the GOP have done it in only 4 years. They screwed every other pooch they could get a hold on along the way, too.

 

[woolfe9998]

I'm not arguing we should take the safe and sane 4 year road here, not at all. What I will say is that rushing to start sticking people BEFORE THE ELECTION strikes me as Trump wanting to get elected, not Trump wanting to save lives. Don't know what lies ahead. But for sure this is (so far) the epidemic of our lifetimes and IMO (so far) the election of our lifetimes. We've already blown the first wave (except in the NE), we blew 2016, we better right the ship in November and kick the asshole out of the White House.

Oh I agree it shouldn't be affected by the timing of the election. Fortunately Trump only has limited control over that. I suspect that nothing will actually be ready for prime time by election day, but Trump will start bragging about it anyway as if it's already done and he invented it himself. Personally.

 

[Commodus]

I like to see him drag the dregs of the Republican party with him.

I do wonder what will happen with Trump loyalists if the Dems take the presidency, and hopefully the Senate as well. Some if not most of them will be reelected, I'm sure. But imagine staking your future on being a Trump drone, only to have that taken away as Trump costs your party the White House and possibly Congress.

Oh, they can whine about immigrants (but only the dark-skinned ones) and reasonable gun control all they want... but they'll be shouting into an echo chamber where nothing matters.

 

[woolfe9998]

I do wonder what will happen with Trump loyalists if the Dems take the presidency, and hopefully the Senate as well. Some if not most of them will be reelected, I'm sure. But imagine staking your future on being a Trump drone, only to have that taken away as Trump costs your party the White House and possibly Congress.

Oh, they can whine about immigrants (but only the dark-skinned ones) and reasonable gun control all they want... but they'll be shouting into an echo chamber where nothing matters.

I think what is most concerning in the near term about the Trump loyalists is what they do after Trump claims he was cheated out of victory by voter fraud, which he is 100% likely to do.

 

[eelw]

CNN segment right now. State polls would give Biden 352-186.

 

[Muse]

I think what is most concerning in the near term about the Trump loyalists is what they do after Trump claims he was cheated out of victory by voter fraud, which he is 100% likely to do.

One more great reason for the Democrats try and trounce the mofo in the election. The more lopsided it is, the weaker are any claims that the election was stolen. Seriously. You want Trump to limp away with his tail between his legs.

 

[K1052]

One more great reason for the Democrats try and trounce the mofo in the election. The more lopsided it is, the weaker are any claims that the election was stolen. Seriously. You want Trump to limp away with his tail between his legs.

He claimed that millions of people voted illegally in California otherwise he would have won the state. Do not underestimate the scale at which he is willing to lie because there is no limit.

 

[eelw]

Him lying fine. But it’s how many people will believe him that matters.

 

[K1052]

Him lying fine. But it’s how many people will believe him that matters.

Some Qanon nut tried to sink a hospital ship with a train in California. It is entirely possible we see potentially horrific acts of violence done on his behalf so I do think it matters but he doesn't care and would probably be amused.

 

[Commodus]

Some Qanon nut tried to sink a hospital ship with a train in California. It is entirely possible we see potentially horrific acts of violence done on his behalf so I do think it matters but he doesn't care and would probably be amused.

This is my concern... not that Trump will try to hold on at all costs if he loses (although I'm sure he'll contest a close result and whine 24/7 until inauguration day), but that his more extreme devotees will carry out violence in his name with little objection from him.

Remember how some American conservatives thought Obama was a "secret Muslim" and were convinced he'd be the downfall of the country? Now imagine how they feel about Biden when they worship Trump as a god. I'm worried there will be mass shootings and bombings in some kind of desperate bid to protect the man those extreme conservatives want as their dictator.

 

[Jhhnn]

Some Qanon nut tried to sink a hospital ship with a train in California. It is entirely possible we see potentially horrific acts of violence done on his behalf so I do think it matters but he doesn't care and would probably be amused.

That was not his intent. He had a psychotic episode in which he derailed the train to draw attention to "what was really going on" even though he had no idea what that was.

 

[ondma]

This is my concern... not that Trump will try to hold on at all costs if he loses (although I'm sure he'll contest a close result and whine 24/7 until inauguration day), but that his more extreme devotees will carry out violence in his name with little objection from him.

Remember how some American conservatives thought Obama was a "secret Muslim" and were convinced he'd be the downfall of the country? Now imagine how they feel about Biden when they worship Trump as a god. I'm worried there will be mass shootings and bombings in some kind of desperate bid to protect the man those extreme conservatives want as their dictator.

Yea, pretty much this. Although I think it may take a long time to get the final count if a lot of people vote by mail at the last minute.
If he loses, I think he will leave, with a lot of whining and claiming he was cheated. I worry more about violence from the base.

 

[Muse]

Dunno, there's none of that where I live. CA will be pretty indifferent to a Trump loss in terms of negativity.

I think you folks who are worrying about violence in the aftermath of that loss are over worrying and that there won't be much. They say the toughest day for women in terms of domestic violence is Superbowl Sunday. There will be some of that, and I suppose it will spill over to some public shit but something to worry about? I just don't see that and don't expect I will. If it happens I hope to be aware of it, and I suppose it will be reported here in P&N.

 

[Muse]

He claimed that millions of people voted illegally in California otherwise he would have won the state. Do not underestimate the scale at which he is willing to lie because there is no limit.

He has a very muddy truth lens. He's more concerned with people's reaction to what he says than any truth in what he says. He can't be bothered with sifting through information. He grasps the first thing he can that might bolster his position and tweets it out even though it's a fabrication of his weird imagination, thus the statement about CA thwarted from going Republican if it hadn't been for election muddling. That's incredibly preposterous. His ass will get so damn kicked in CA in November it will be funny. He can whine all he wants he's just an overgrown infant, truth be told.

 

[Commodus]

Dunno, there's none of that where I live. CA will be pretty indifferent to a Trump loss in terms of negativity.

I think you folks who are worrying about violence in the aftermath of that loss are over worrying and that there won't be much. They say the toughest day for women in terms of domestic violence is Superbowl Sunday. There will be some of that, and I suppose it will spill over to some public shit but something to worry about? I just don't see that and don't expect I will. If it happens I hope to be aware of it, and I suppose it will be reported here in P&N.

Oh, I'm not expecting a flurry of it... it's just that it unfortunately seems like there will be something, even if it's 'just' someone taking potshots at a Democrat's office.

Diehard Trump fans believe the man is 'owed' a second term, and they won't take a loss gracefully. I've already seen people on pro-Trump forums convinced that losing would mark not just the end of conservatism in the US, but of freedom itself. Mind you, those people aren't so much violent as thinking of moving to countries with right-wing authoritarian streaks, like Hungary and Poland.

 

[hal2kilo]

Oh, I'm not expecting a flurry of it... it's just that it unfortunately seems like there will be something, even if it's 'just' someone taking potshots at a Democrat's office.

Diehard Trump fans believe the man is 'owed' a second term, and they won't take a loss gracefully. I've already seen people on pro-Trump forums convinced that losing would mark not just the end of conservatism in the US, but of freedom itself. Mind you, those people aren't so much violent as thinking of moving to countries with right-wing authoritarian streaks, like Hungary and Poland.

Will contribute to their go fund me's if they promise to leave.

 

[Grey_Beard]

If his minions continue to do interviews like this, he is in more trouble than we realize. Inside this article is a great interview done by Tiffany Cross from MSNBC. It shows how to handle a tRump devote during a interview. I give her an A++++! Outstanding!

Tiffany Cross Gives a Masterclass on How to Interview a Trump Sycophant

MSNBC's Tiffany Cross called out Trump’s diversity director for using the racist term “China virus” during a contentious interview.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Jhhnn]

wrong thread

 

[K1052]

Biden is clearly in trouble without the boater vote

https://twitter.com/x/status/1287838801692438529

 

[Wreckem]

Biden is clearly in trouble without the boater vote

https://twitter.com/x/status/1287838801692438529

One of my neighbors is a MAGA person. He was posting this weekend how the lake was busier than it ever has been ever before(they were having a boaters for trump parade, and it wasn't) and that it shows how much support Trump has.

It is amazing how tone deaf he and his supporters are.

 

[K1052]

One of my neighbors is a MAGA person. He was posting this weekend how the lake was busier than it ever has been ever before(they were having a boaters for trump parade, and it wasn't) and that it shows how much support Trump has.

It is amazing how tone deaf he and his supporters are.

I was reading a story of somebody he cheated at Trump U who didn't blame him for getting cheated and said that Biden was untrustworthy. Veeeery much a cult of personality.

 

[Commodus]

One of my neighbors is a MAGA person. He was posting this weekend how the lake was busier than it ever has been ever before(they were having a boaters for trump parade, and it wasn't) and that it shows how much support Trump has.

It is amazing how tone deaf he and his supporters are.

It's going to be glorious for you if Biden wins.

On that note: I've noticed that a lot of Trump supporters are convinced either that their man is always leading in the polls or that the majority of the public is always with him (yes, I've even seen Silent Majority references). Like they've adopted one of the worst parts of Trump's ego -- that insistence that they must always be winning, even when they're losing.

 

[brycejones]

It's going to be glorious for you if Biden wins.

On that note: I've noticed that a lot of Trump supporters are convinced either that their man is always leading in the polls or that the majority of the public is always with him (yes, I've even seen Silent Majority references). Like they've adopted one of the worst parts of Trump's ego -- that insistence that they must always be winning, even when they're losing.

No loser will ever have more votes than Trump. Hillary’s fake California votes don’t count.