Originally posted by: AaronB
I have to admit that I am confused. Are they eating this meat? If so, what is the problem? Unless you are a complete vegetarian, you have no room to cast judgement here.
The animals I eat aren't endangered species.
Originally posted by: AaronB
I have to admit that I am confused. Are they eating this meat? If so, what is the problem? Unless you are a complete vegetarian, you have no room to cast judgement here.
Originally posted by: Tobolo
LOL at them saying the Japanese vessel rammed the protesters. The protesters BOW was smashed in. Explain to me how a ship can turn with enough force at the precise angle to smash the bow in. I could believe them if the ship had been on the side, But the bow? These "protesters" are nothing more than glorified terrorists.
Originally posted by: Imported
Originally posted by: Tobolo
LOL at them saying the Japanese vessel rammed the protesters. The protesters BOW was smashed in. Explain to me how a ship can turn with enough force at the precise angle to smash the bow in. I could believe them if the ship had been on the side, But the bow? These "protesters" are nothing more than glorified terrorists.
:thumbsup: They should be treated as terrorists.
"At the time we were over a kilometre from the Nisshin Maru - it had been tied up with another vessel making transfers, it then pulled away, it had to come around the vessel that it had been transferring from and had to head directly toward the Arctic Sunrise," he said. "There were no other vessels in the area and there was no reason to head towards us, the Arctic Sunrise was virtually stopped at the time."
"There is no way to describe this as anything but a deliberate ramming which placed the safety of our ship and the lives of our crew in severe danger." said Rattenbury. He said that the Nisshin Maru is more than twice as long and six times heavier than the Arctic Sunrise. The impact has left the Sunrise "battered and bruised" but with no crew members were injured.
A statement on the Institute of Cetacean Research website by Director-General Hiroshi Hatanaka said the Arctic Sunrise?s bow hit the side of the Nisshin-Maru twice. "The captain of the Nisshin-Maru confirmed to ICR today that Greenpeace had rammed our vessel, which has sustained some damage. Luckily, no crewmembers were injured."
Dr Hatanaka said the collision happened when the Nisshin-Maru was approaching the refueling ship, the Oriental Bluebird. He called for "Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd should stop at once their dangerous and criminal actions."
Statements by both parties conflict as to when the collision occurred and who caused the collision, but the video of the incident on the Greenpeace site clearly shows the Nisshin Maru cuting across the path of the Arctic Sunrise in breach of the collision avoidance rules at sea.
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i hate greenpeace
bunch of gimps
:thumbsup: They're all for saving animals but the acts they commit are like terrorism. They have no regard for human life in order to save a few whales. :disgust:
If the "human life" in question would stop RAPING the ocean they would not be in any danger. Not a tree hugger here, I just feel future generations should be able to actually
see these animals, not just a picture of one..
Originally posted by: Amused
This means they believe animal life is more important than human life. And if that is the case, would they themselves be willing to die to save an animal?
this guy is a hypocrite. if his ships were the ones out there violating the rules of the sea lanes, they were the dangerous ones. additionally, their own country signed on to the treaty banning whaling.Dr Hatanaka said the collision happened when the Nisshin-Maru was approaching the refueling ship, the Oriental Bluebird. He called for "Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd should stop at once their dangerous and criminal actions."
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: tagej
What's needed is a way to create a noise or signal that will cause the whales to temporarily leave the area. That way a GP boat could simply follow the whalers around creating that noise every now and again, and the whalers would not be able to kill anything. Short of that, sinking every whaling ship is perfectly acceptable to me.
So it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?
well endangered species vs overpopulated species...![]()
I see. So you would be willing to die to save an "endangered" species?
Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i hate greenpeace
bunch of gimps
:thumbsup: They're all for saving animals but the acts they commit are like terrorism. They have no regard for human life in order to save a few whales. :disgust:
If the "human life" in question would stop RAPING the ocean they would not be in any danger. Not a tree hugger here, I just feel future generations should be able to actually
see these animals, not just a picture of one..
Wow. So the dinosaur thing must really have you bugging, eh?
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: tagej
What's needed is a way to create a noise or signal that will cause the whales to temporarily leave the area. That way a GP boat could simply follow the whalers around creating that noise every now and again, and the whalers would not be able to kill anything. Short of that, sinking every whaling ship is perfectly acceptable to me.
So it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?
well endangered species vs overpopulated species...![]()
I see. So you would be willing to die to save an "endangered" species?
Amused, I don't think any humans should die to save the whales, but quit it with this 'tard logic.
For starters, sinking whaling ships doesn't necessarily mean killing whalers.
And secondly, it's completely illogical to say that if a person would be willing to take the life of a person who is actively trying to kill whales, then they must be willing to give their own life to save the whales. You can't just lump all humans together and say that if you're willing to kill one you must be willing to kill all of them.
Originally posted by: funboy42
What you have to realize here people is your not dealing with a normal bunch of rational people. Sure there may be a few in the group but for the most par the elevator stops at the first floor and are nuts in the head. I have come across a few people like this when I was working for Ford and the whole tire recall thing. Had some women come in, all sane at first, asking for the recall, but as soon as I told her I had no tires to give, and had to put them on a waiting list, she went nutso. Screaming and crying and oh how I, am going to kill her children if I didnt put tires on her car right then and there. It got so bad, 2 times I had to call the police to remove women from the shop, for they went from being a sane person to needing a straight jacket in the matter of seconds.
Same goes for these people. Your killing the precious animals. If its not them doing the stopping no one will, so it is up to them to put a stop to this at all costs for most of them. Sh1t Peta thinks all animals have the right to live and not be hurt inhumanely, they protest this, yet when they get their hands on stray dogs and cats kill them themselves, and then dump them in dumpster like regular garbage.
So you can go on and on about this, fact is the Japanese got the right to do what they are doing, they will continue to do it, this didnt stop them it postponed them, and GP is out there bitching about saving whales and the earth and Im sure the boats they are on are not running on cooking oil. Who's bitching about Greenpeace out there in boats chasing these people all over the place spewing fumes into the precious earths atmosphere helping out with the "Global Warming"![]()
Very simple.Originally posted by: Excelsior
Japan has been increasingly strident in its calls for a lifting of the commercial whaling ban. This month, it hosted a conference of whaling supporters and issued a stinging rebuke of dozens of anti-whaling nations that stayed away, saying their absence would prevent reforms.
Tokyo maintains that whaling is a national tradition and a vital part of its food culture, and argues that whale stocks have sufficiently recovered since 1986 to allow a resumption of limited hunts of certain species.
Japan...I think it is time to give up your national tradition, k?
Originally posted by: funboy42
What you have to realize here people is your not dealing with a normal bunch of rational people. Sure there may be a few in the group but for the most par the elevator stops at the first floor and are nuts in the head. I have come across a few people like this when I was working for Ford and the whole tire recall thing. Had some women come in, all sane at first, asking for the recall, but as soon as I told her I had no tires to give, and had to put them on a waiting list, she went nutso. Screaming and crying and oh how I, am going to kill her children if I didnt put tires on her car right then and there. It got so bad, 2 times I had to call the police to remove women from the shop, for they went from being a sane person to needing a straight jacket in the matter of seconds.
Same goes for these people. Your killing the precious animals. If its not them doing the stopping no one will, so it is up to them to put a stop to this at all costs for most of them. Sh1t Peta thinks all animals have the right to live and not be hurt inhumanely, they protest this, yet when they get their hands on stray dogs and cats kill them themselves, and then dump them in dumpster like regular garbage.
So you can go on and on about this, fact is the Japanese got the right to do what they are doing, they will continue to do it, this didnt stop them it postponed them, and GP is out there bitching about saving whales and the earth and Im sure the boats they are on are not running on cooking oil. Who's bitching about Greenpeace out there in boats chasing these people all over the place spewing fumes into the precious earths atmosphere helping out with the "Global Warming"![]()
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: tagej
What's needed is a way to create a noise or signal that will cause the whales to temporarily leave the area. That way a GP boat could simply follow the whalers around creating that noise every now and again, and the whalers would not be able to kill anything. Short of that, sinking every whaling ship is perfectly acceptable to me.
So it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?
well endangered species vs overpopulated species...![]()
I see. So you would be willing to die to save an "endangered" species?
Amused, I don't think any humans should die to save the whales, but quit it with this 'tard logic.
For starters, sinking whaling ships doesn't necessarily mean killing whalers.
And secondly, it's completely illogical to say that if a person would be willing to take the life of a person who is actively trying to kill whales, then they must be willing to give their own life to save the whales. You can't just lump all humans together and say that if you're willing to kill one you must be willing to kill all of them.
No "tard logic" here. If it's not worth dying for, it's not worth killing for.
A measure that unfortunately is not taught to kids these days.
And I don't know about you, but if someone is ramming a ship I am on (especially in cold antarctic waters), I'm going to fear for my life.
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: tagej
What's needed is a way to create a noise or signal that will cause the whales to temporarily leave the area. That way a GP boat could simply follow the whalers around creating that noise every now and again, and the whalers would not be able to kill anything. Short of that, sinking every whaling ship is perfectly acceptable to me.
So it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?
well endangered species vs overpopulated species...![]()
I see. So you would be willing to die to save an "endangered" species?
Amused, I don't think any humans should die to save the whales, but quit it with this 'tard logic.
For starters, sinking whaling ships doesn't necessarily mean killing whalers.
And secondly, it's completely illogical to say that if a person would be willing to take the life of a person who is actively trying to kill whales, then they must be willing to give their own life to save the whales. You can't just lump all humans together and say that if you're willing to kill one you must be willing to kill all of them.
No "tard logic" here. If it's not worth dying for, it's not worth killing for.
A measure that unfortunately is not taught to kids these days.
And I don't know about you, but if someone is ramming a ship I am on (especially in cold antarctic waters), I'm going to fear for my life.
Didn't read the article did you? According to video taken on the Greenpeace ship of the incident it looks like the Japanese vessel is the one that caused the collision.
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
And if the Greenpeace ship had not been there in the first place tryng to block the path of the Japanese ships?
The Greenpeace ships very obviously kept placing themselves in the path of the Japanese ships. A collision was bound to happen because of their recklessness.
Meanwhile, the page of Sea Shepherd brags about ramming and sinking Japanese ships. Sorry, I don't believe the greenpeace claims.
Where did you hear that? From what I've read, the Greenpeace volunteers were putting inflatable zodiaks between the whalers and the whales. Not their ship...
"Statements by both parties conflict as to when the collision occurred and who caused the collision, but the video of the incident on the Greenpeace site clearly shows the Nisshin Maru cuting across the path of the Arctic Sunrise in breach of the collision avoidance rules at sea."
Would you believe video evidence?
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
And if the Greenpeace ship had not been there in the first place tryng to block the path of the Japanese ships?
The Greenpeace ships very obviously kept placing themselves in the path of the Japanese ships. A collision was bound to happen because of their recklessness.
Meanwhile, the page of Sea Shepherd brags about ramming and sinking Japanese ships. Sorry, I don't believe the greenpeace claims.
Where did you hear that? From what I've read, the Greenpeace volunteers were putting inflatable zodiaks between the whalers and the whales. Not their ship...
"Statements by both parties conflict as to when the collision occurred and who caused the collision, but the video of the incident on the Greenpeace site clearly shows the Nisshin Maru cuting across the path of the Arctic Sunrise in breach of the collision avoidance rules at sea."
Would you believe video evidence?
Yes, I've watched it. And from what I see the activists were acting recklessly.
Go to Sea Shepherd's website to see them bragging about ramming and sinking ships. Then tell me this was the Japanese's fault.
And you are relying on an interpretation of the video made by activists.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
And if the Greenpeace ship had not been there in the first place tryng to block the path of the Japanese ships?
The Greenpeace ships very obviously kept placing themselves in the path of the Japanese ships. A collision was bound to happen because of their recklessness.
Meanwhile, the page of Sea Shepherd brags about ramming and sinking Japanese ships. Sorry, I don't believe the greenpeace claims.
Where did you hear that? From what I've read, the Greenpeace volunteers were putting inflatable zodiaks between the whalers and the whales. Not their ship...
"Statements by both parties conflict as to when the collision occurred and who caused the collision, but the video of the incident on the Greenpeace site clearly shows the Nisshin Maru cuting across the path of the Arctic Sunrise in breach of the collision avoidance rules at sea."
Would you believe video evidence?
Yes, I've watched it. And from what I see the activists were acting recklessly.
Go to Sea Sheppard's website to see them bragging about ramming and sinking ships. Then tell me this was the Japanese's fault.
And you are relying on an interpretation of the video made by activists.
Well, the Japanese say one thing and the activists say something else. Either way it's not going to be solved here by us.
I'm curious, do you care if we hunt whales to extinction?
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
And if the Greenpeace ship had not been there in the first place tryng to block the path of the Japanese ships?
The Greenpeace ships very obviously kept placing themselves in the path of the Japanese ships. A collision was bound to happen because of their recklessness.
Meanwhile, the page of Sea Shepherd brags about ramming and sinking Japanese ships. Sorry, I don't believe the greenpeace claims.
Where did you hear that? From what I've read, the Greenpeace volunteers were putting inflatable zodiaks between the whalers and the whales. Not their ship...
"Statements by both parties conflict as to when the collision occurred and who caused the collision, but the video of the incident on the Greenpeace site clearly shows the Nisshin Maru cuting across the path of the Arctic Sunrise in breach of the collision avoidance rules at sea."
Would you believe video evidence?
Yes, I've watched it. And from what I see the activists were acting recklessly.
Go to Sea Sheppard's website to see them bragging about ramming and sinking ships. Then tell me this was the Japanese's fault.
And you are relying on an interpretation of the video made by activists.
Well, the Japanese say one thing and the activists say something else. Either way it's not going to be solved here by us.
I'm curious, do you care if we hunt whales to extinction?
Yes. I oppose whale hunting.
But I also oppose the tactics used by the activists and would fully support the Japanese installing deck guns to defend themselves. The activists have no legal authority to be trying to disable ships and endanger lives.
How would you feel if I opposed something you did and was ramming your car, impeding your drive to work and risking your life?
Originally posted by: Amused
How would you feel if I opposed something you did and was ramming your car, impeding your drive to work and risking your life?
Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Originally posted by: Amused
How would you feel if I opposed something you did and was ramming your car, impeding your drive to work and risking your life?
There is an international moratorium on whaling. The research quotient is a loophole that needs to be closed. What they are doing is illegal.
If you were driving recklessly the police would ram your car to stop you if you did not stop, no?
Two wrongs don't make a right for sure and (Greenpeace) does seem a little radical - painting graffiti is rather childish.
Polluting the water with sounds to chase the whales is a very bad idea too! Look up SCRIPPS and see what the Navy has been doing with their underwater speaker system. The whales become disoriented and beach themselves.
The Japanese are very harsh to marine life in general. The dolphin runs at Iki island cannot be ignored yet they are. That is one of the most crucifying and horrible abuse of nature ever.
Originally posted by: Amused
The loophole exists, making their actions LEGAL, not illegal. Close the loophole and THEN their actions will be illegal.
The activists are not recognized authorities. Comparing them to cops is absurd. I asked the question using myself, a private citizen for a reason.
The activists ARE breaking the law and are nothing more than pirates and terrorists. The Japanese fleet would be perfectly within their rights in defending themselves with deadly force. The activist ships aren't even properly registered.
If you disagree with what the Japanese are doing, use your energies to close the loophole, and using recognized authorities to enforce it.
While I oppose whailing, I oppose the actions of the activists even more. Sorry this offends you but if you were to view this objectively and stop reacting emotionally, you'd agree with me. You cannot have private citizens running around putting lives and property in danger simply because they oppose what someone is doing.
Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Originally posted by: Amused
The loophole exists, making their actions LEGAL, not illegal. Close the loophole and THEN their actions will be illegal.
The activists are not recognized authorities. Comparing them to cops is absurd. I asked the question using myself, a private citizen for a reason.
The activists ARE breaking the law and are nothing more than pirates and terrorists. The Japanese fleet would be perfectly within their rights in defending themselves with deadly force. The activist ships aren't even properly registered.
If you disagree with what the Japanese are doing, use your energies to close the loophole, and using recognized authorities to enforce it.
While I oppose whailing, I oppose the actions of the activists even more. Sorry this offends you but if you were to view this objectively and stop reacting emotionally, you'd agree with me. You cannot have private citizens running around putting lives and property in danger simply because they oppose what someone is doing.
They are doing this to send a message. Perhaps it's time to elect some people that will really do something about it but we all know where their priorities are. As long as the mighty dollar rules people will continue to be greedy and forage for themselves with total disregard to what is happening around them.
Originally posted by: Amused
OK, I don't like something you do so I'm going to ram your car and endanger your life.
See how quickly we came back to that?
I don't care what message they are trying to send. They are acting recklessly and endangering lives. Not to mention violating every applicable law along the way. The Japanese have been VERY patient. If it was me, the activist ships would all be sunk the first time they threatened me and my crew.
No one is making money from this except Japan. There is no valid reason why the other nations don't close the loophole. Find out why it's not closed and try to change it.
If you disagree with what the Japanese are doing, use your energies to close the loophole, and using recognized authorities to enforce it.
