I am SOOOO happy to see Japanese Whale hunting ship getting PWNED!!

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Czar

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Doesnt anyone find it odd that there is a huge powerful international body regarding whales but.... there is nothing in even close when it comes to species which are in far more danger than whales?
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
And if the Greenpeace ship had not been there in the first place tryng to block the path of the Japanese ships?

The Greenpeace ships very obviously kept placing themselves in the path of the Japanese ships. A collision was bound to happen because of their recklessness.

Meanwhile, the page of Sea Shepherd brags about ramming and sinking Japanese ships. Sorry, I don't believe the greenpeace claims.

Where did you hear that? From what I've read, the Greenpeace volunteers were putting inflatable zodiaks between the whalers and the whales. Not their ship...

"Statements by both parties conflict as to when the collision occurred and who caused the collision, but the video of the incident on the Greenpeace site clearly shows the Nisshin Maru cuting across the path of the Arctic Sunrise in breach of the collision avoidance rules at sea."

Would you believe video evidence?

Yes, I've watched it. And from what I see the activists were acting recklessly.

Go to Sea Sheppard's website to see them bragging about ramming and sinking ships. Then tell me this was the Japanese's fault.

And you are relying on an interpretation of the video made by activists.

Well, the Japanese say one thing and the activists say something else. Either way it's not going to be solved here by us.

I'm curious, do you care if we hunt whales to extinction?

Yes. I oppose whale hunting.

But I also oppose the tactics used by the activists and would fully support the Japanese installing deck guns to defend themselves. The activists have no legal authority to be trying to disable ships and endanger lives.

How would you feel if I opposed something you did and was ramming your car, impeding your drive to work and risking your life?

Fair enough.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: Czar
Doesnt anyone find it odd that there is a huge powerful international body regarding whales but.... there is nothing in even close when it comes to species which are in far more danger than whales?

Which huge powerful international body regarding whales are you talking about? It doesn't seem so powerful to me, or else this thread wouldn't exist.
 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: Amused

How would you feel if I opposed something you did and was ramming your car, impeding your drive to work and risking your life?

Oh and I cannot answer that as I don't drive BUT!

If a person was driving to a fur coat factory he or she just might get rammed by those PETA people. Now those folks are just crazy and go well beyond radical and do far more harm than good. They tarnish the folks and organizations out there that are of benefit. :|
 

Scarpozzi

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The Japanese are not environmentalists when it comes to the ocean. I've seen plenty of pictures of the way they slaughtered bottle nosed dolphins because they thought they were eating all of thier fish....when it was just because they overfished their coasts.

 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
The Japanese are not environmentalists when it comes to the ocean. I've seen plenty of pictures of the way they slaughtered bottle nosed dolphins because they thought they were eating all of thier fish....when it was just because they overfished their coasts.

Yep the MPAA/RIAA approach. :p

The runs at Iki island are bad. The harbor flows red for DAYS and I'm talking tomato soup. Very disgusting.

They take all the bodies and run them through stump grinders and bury the piles.
 

BUTCH1

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Some kind of tough international laws are needed before the oceans just collapse. Then
when these laws are broken,....TORPEDO.....LOOSE!.....
 

0roo0roo

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i'd be happier if they spent their time protecting elephants from poachers or something. record kills this year. not even killed to eat:p never mind the tigers.
 

marincounty

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Originally posted by: Amused

How would you feel if I opposed something you did and was ramming your car, impeding your drive to work and risking your life?

There is an international moratorium on whaling. The research quotient is a loophole that needs to be closed. What they are doing is illegal.

If you were driving recklessly the police would ram your car to stop you if you did not stop, no?

Two wrongs don't make a right for sure and (Greenpeace) does seem a little radical - painting graffiti is rather childish.

Polluting the water with sounds to chase the whales is a very bad idea too! Look up SCRIPPS and see what the Navy has been doing with their underwater speaker system. The whales become disoriented and beach themselves.

The Japanese are very harsh to marine life in general. The dolphin runs at Iki island cannot be ignored yet they are. That is one of the most crucifying and horrible abuse of nature ever.

The loophole exists, making their actions LEGAL, not illegal. Close the loophole and THEN their actions will be illegal.

The activists are not recognized authorities. Comparing them to cops is absurd. I asked the question using myself, a private citizen for a reason.

The activists ARE breaking the law and are nothing more than pirates and terrorists. The Japanese fleet would be perfectly within their rights in defending themselves with deadly force. The activist ships aren't even properly registered.

If you disagree with what the Japanese are doing, use your energies to close the loophole, and using recognized authorities to enforce it.

While I oppose whailing, I oppose the actions of the activists even more. Sorry this offends you but if you were to view this objectively and stop reacting emotionally, you'd agree with me. You cannot have private citizens running around putting lives and property in danger simply because they oppose what someone is doing.

Actually they are freedom fighters, doing the work that you are too busy or too cowardly to perform. They were actually the victim of French Govt terrorists in 1985, which killed a photographer.
Greenpeace should be hailed for the work they do. Or maybe you think the French doing nuclear testing in Tahiti is fine.

The sinking of the Rainbow Warrior, codenamed Operation Satanic [1], was a special operation by the "action" branch of the French foreign intelligence services, the Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure (DGSE), carried out on July 10, 1985. It aimed at disabling the flagship of the Greenpeace fleet, the Rainbow Warrior, in the port of Auckland, New Zealand, to prevent her from interfering in a nuclear test in Moruroa.

Fernando Pereira, a photographer, drowned on the sinking ship. Two of the French agents were subsequently arrested by the New Zealand Police on passport fraud and immigration charges. Following questioning, they were subsequently charged with arson, conspiracy to commit arson, willful damage and murder. The ensuing scandal resulted in the resignation of the French Defence Minister Charles Hernu, and the subject became so touchy that it was not until twenty years afterward that the personal responsibility of French President François Mitterrand was officially admitted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior
 

Bacstar

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Somewhere or in some movie someone said, let the human race screw themselves into extinction. the earth will recover and a new species will become dominant. All this environmental save the planet movement is a bunch of BS and a waste of time.... the sooner we die off the better :p
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: tagej
What's needed is a way to create a noise or signal that will cause the whales to temporarily leave the area. That way a GP boat could simply follow the whalers around creating that noise every now and again, and the whalers would not be able to kill anything. Short of that, sinking every whaling ship is perfectly acceptable to me.

So it's OK to take human life to protect an animal?

well endangered species vs overpopulated species... ;)

I see. So you would be willing to die to save an "endangered" species?

Amused, I don't think any humans should die to save the whales, but quit it with this 'tard logic.

For starters, sinking whaling ships doesn't necessarily mean killing whalers.

And secondly, it's completely illogical to say that if a person would be willing to take the life of a person who is actively trying to kill whales, then they must be willing to give their own life to save the whales. You can't just lump all humans together and say that if you're willing to kill one you must be willing to kill all of them.

No "tard logic" here. If it's not worth dying for, it's not worth killing for.

A measure that unfortunately is not taught to kids these days.

And I don't know about you, but if someone is ramming a ship I am on (especially in cold antarctic waters), I'm going to fear for my life.

So I can't say the world would be a better place if Kim Jong Il was dead unless I'm willing to die myself? :confused:
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
Yes. I oppose whale hunting.

But I also oppose the tactics used by the activists and would fully support the Japanese installing deck guns to defend themselves. The activists have no legal authority to be trying to disable ships and endanger lives.

How would you feel if I opposed something you did and was ramming your car, impeding your drive to work and risking your life?

Fair enough.

I'm just throwing this out there:

What if a group of people did something that you strongly, strongly oppose, but no matter how hard you fight, "legal authorities" continue to do nothing, and will continue to do nothing. You continue to fight through official legal channels, but unfortunately not enough people give a damn about your cause.

You're in a tight spot:

1. You have a pretty large following, so this issue is NOT a small thing, nor is your following insignificant.

2. BUT your following is not large enough to have the clout to really affect change through legal means.

What do you do?
 

mchammer

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Originally posted by: Bacstar
Somewhere or in some movie someone said, let the human race screw themselves into extinction. the earth will recover and a new species will become dominant. All this environmental save the planet movement is a bunch of BS and a waste of time.... the sooner we die off the better :p

I sincerly hope you are being sarcastic.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
Yes. I oppose whale hunting.

But I also oppose the tactics used by the activists and would fully support the Japanese installing deck guns to defend themselves. The activists have no legal authority to be trying to disable ships and endanger lives.

How would you feel if I opposed something you did and was ramming your car, impeding your drive to work and risking your life?

Fair enough.

I'm just throwing this out there:

What if a group of people did something that you strongly, strongly oppose, but no matter how hard you fight, "legal authorities" continue to do nothing, and will continue to do nothing. You continue to fight through official legal channels, but unfortunately not enough people give a damn about your cause.

What do you do?

Strap bombs to yourself and blow up innocent women and children in the name of God?
Endanger human lives to save the lives of (non-human) animials?
Burn crosses?

 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
Yes. I oppose whale hunting.

But I also oppose the tactics used by the activists and would fully support the Japanese installing deck guns to defend themselves. The activists have no legal authority to be trying to disable ships and endanger lives.

How would you feel if I opposed something you did and was ramming your car, impeding your drive to work and risking your life?

Fair enough.

I'm just throwing this out there:

What if a group of people did something that you strongly, strongly oppose, but no matter how hard you fight, "legal authorities" continue to do nothing, and will continue to do nothing. You continue to fight through official legal channels, but unfortunately not enough people give a damn about your cause.

You're in a tight spot:

1. You have a pretty large following, so this issue is NOT a small thing, nor is your following insignificant.

2. BUT your following is not large enough to have the clout to really affect change through legal means.

What do you do?

I'd probably do something desperate.

Edited because I was a little fvcked up last night...:eek:
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
Yes. I oppose whale hunting.

But I also oppose the tactics used by the activists and would fully support the Japanese installing deck guns to defend themselves. The activists have no legal authority to be trying to disable ships and endanger lives.

How would you feel if I opposed something you did and was ramming your car, impeding your drive to work and risking your life?

Fair enough.

I'm just throwing this out there:

What if a group of people did something that you strongly, strongly oppose, but no matter how hard you fight, "legal authorities" continue to do nothing, and will continue to do nothing. You continue to fight through official legal channels, but unfortunately not enough people give a damn about your cause.

You're in a tight spot:

1. You have a pretty large following, so this issue is NOT a small thing, nor is your following insignificant.

2. BUT your following is not large enough to have the clout to really affect change through legal means.

What do you do?
Is this supposed to make me, as a reasonable adult, side with the whalers?

:confused:

no.......
 

Staples

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Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i hate greenpeace

bunch of gimps

:thumbsup: They're all for saving animals but the acts they commit are like terrorism. They have no regard for human life in order to save a few whales. :disgust:

This is the same as we do in Iraq and you are probably support it.

For people who cause trouble, we kill them.

In this case, hunters of endangered specious is causing a problem so greenpeace causes trouble for their enemies. Same concept.