I am SOOOO happy to see Japanese Whale hunting ship getting PWNED!!

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Double Trouble

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Amused (and others) keep trying to create a comparison between the life of a human and that of an animal. Clearly, the life of a human being is more important than the life of a particular animal.

However, if a human wantonly engages in an activity that is banned by international treaty designed to save an entire species, then I see no problem taking actions to stop that human from destroying the species.

Clearly it's not a case of "hey look, a human drowing and a whale in trouble, who do we save?". No, it's a case of a selfish greedy group of people willing to destroy a species with no legitimate need or reason. Whatever actions are needed to stop those people should be taken.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: AaronB
I have to admit that I am confused. Are they eating this meat? If so, what is the problem? Unless you are a complete vegetarian, you have no room to cast judgement here.

Many whales are an endangered species. Most civilized countries have banned hunting whales.
 

BUTCH1

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
No one has the right to wipe the planet clean of a species, what kind of legacy do we
leave our children's children " hey they tasted good so we ate every last one, sorry".
F-that, TORPEDOS....LOOSE!

You'll say that, until someone finds a reason THEY think is valid to kill you.

Maybe you sat on an endangered bug once.

As I said before, if you think animal life is more important than human life, would YOU be willing to die to save an animal? Or do you think it's OK so long as it's someone else's life being taken?

No I don't think animal life is more important than human life but the life of the planet we
live on is above all and let's face it fresh whale steak is NOT worth killing off a species.
For the love of god why can't they just have a nice steak and leave the whales alone??
 

ForumMaster

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oh no, they only got 508 out of 800! god these japanease are rude. whale hunting of any kind should be illegal.

we don't want something like the first star trek movie happening again, do we? ;)
 

Zysoclaplem

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Originally posted by: fisheerman
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
No one has the right to wipe the planet clean of a species, what kind of legacy do we
leave our children's children " hey they tasted good so we ate every last one, sorry".
F-that, TORPEDOS....LOOSE!

You'll say that, until someone finds a reason THEY think is valid to kill you.

Maybe you sat on an endangered bug once.

As I said before, if you think animal life is more important than human life, would YOU be willing to die to save an animal? Or do you think it's OK so long as it's someone else's life being taken?

I would attempt to help an animal, but I would not lose my life over it. Same with humans, depending on the human. It's senseless and pointless to die trying to save someone. I would much rather save someone and live.
Life is life. You take what you need. Everything else is greed and glutton.

i assume you don't have any children? you would die trying to save them...........

-fish

But I know the difference between right and wrong, even when money is involved.
A lot of people have this mentality that if it is not human, it's a lesser being. I disagree.
If I had a child I would much rather save the child, and live. But if I die trying to save the child, it was never my intention, it was just necessary in that situation.
Dying for someone is not some heroic act like in the movies or on tv. It's usually an accident.



 

Mo0o

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This is stupid, whales are not worth human lives. And i would think sinking a ship and possibly risk compromising the fuel tanks would lead to pretty significant ecological damage.
 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: fisheerman
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
No one has the right to wipe the planet clean of a species, what kind of legacy do we
leave our children's children " hey they tasted good so we ate every last one, sorry".
F-that, TORPEDOS....LOOSE!

You'll say that, until someone finds a reason THEY think is valid to kill you.

Maybe you sat on an endangered bug once.

As I said before, if you think animal life is more important than human life, would YOU be willing to die to save an animal? Or do you think it's OK so long as it's someone else's life being taken?

I would attempt to help an animal, but I would not lose my life over it. Same with humans, depending on the human. It's senseless and pointless to die trying to save someone. I would much rather save someone and live.
Life is life. You take what you need. Everything else is greed and glutton.

i assume you don't have any children? you would die trying to save them...........

-fish

But I know the difference between right and wrong, even when money is involved.
A lot of people have this mentality that if it is not human, it's a lesser being. I disagree.
If I had a child I would much rather save the child, and live. But if I die trying to save the child, it was never my intention, it was just necessary in that situation.
Dying for someone is not some heroic act like in the movies or on tv. It's usually an accident.
All you've said here is that living is better than dying, which everyone agrees with you. But given teh chance to save a dog or a stranger, who would you save? And would you killyourself to guarantee the life of your children?
 

Double Trouble

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
This is stupid, whales are not worth human lives. And i would think sinking a ship and possibly risk compromising the fuel tanks would lead to pretty significant ecological damage.
An individual whale life is not worth than an individual human life, but saving whales as a species to me is important enough that if these idiots insist on trying to hunt them to extinction, actions taken to stop them from doing so are reasonable. I agree that an ecological disaster (leaking fuel etc) is also not desirable, so the best solution is to have a way to drive the whales away from the whalers so the whalers can not harm them.

 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: tagej
Originally posted by: Mo0o
This is stupid, whales are not worth human lives. And i would think sinking a ship and possibly risk compromising the fuel tanks would lead to pretty significant ecological damage.
An individual whale life is not worth than an individual human life, but saving whales as a species to me is important enough that if these idiots insist on trying to hunt them to extinction, actions taken to stop them from doing so are reasonable. I agree that an ecological disaster (leaking fuel etc) is also not desirable, so the best solution is to have a way to drive the whales away from the whalers so the whalers can not harm them.
Yep. I have no problem with them trying to save the whales, but ramming ships is not the solution
 

halik

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Originally posted by: tagej
Originally posted by: Mo0o
This is stupid, whales are not worth human lives. And i would think sinking a ship and possibly risk compromising the fuel tanks would lead to pretty significant ecological damage.
An individual whale life is not worth than an individual human life, but saving whales as a species to me is important enough that if these idiots insist on trying to hunt them to extinction, actions taken to stop them from doing so are reasonable. I agree that an ecological disaster (leaking fuel etc) is also not desirable, so the best solution is to have a way to drive the whales away from the whalers so the whalers can not harm them.


The above is a more elloquent version of what I intended to say...

individual human life > individual whale life
whale species > individual human life motivated by whale steaks
 

Zysoclaplem

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: fisheerman
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
No one has the right to wipe the planet clean of a species, what kind of legacy do we
leave our children's children " hey they tasted good so we ate every last one, sorry".
F-that, TORPEDOS....LOOSE!

You'll say that, until someone finds a reason THEY think is valid to kill you.

Maybe you sat on an endangered bug once.

As I said before, if you think animal life is more important than human life, would YOU be willing to die to save an animal? Or do you think it's OK so long as it's someone else's life being taken?

I would attempt to help an animal, but I would not lose my life over it. Same with humans, depending on the human. It's senseless and pointless to die trying to save someone. I would much rather save someone and live.
Life is life. You take what you need. Everything else is greed and glutton.

i assume you don't have any children? you would die trying to save them...........

-fish

But I know the difference between right and wrong, even when money is involved.
A lot of people have this mentality that if it is not human, it's a lesser being. I disagree.
If I had a child I would much rather save the child, and live. But if I die trying to save the child, it was never my intention, it was just necessary in that situation.
Dying for someone is not some heroic act like in the movies or on tv. It's usually an accident.
All you've said here is that living is better than dying, which everyone agrees with you. But given teh chance to save a dog or a stranger, who would you save? And would you killyourself to guarantee the life of your children?

Depends on the situation.

I would take a bullet for my child, but I would not commit suicide.
 

fisheerman

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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: fisheerman
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
No one has the right to wipe the planet clean of a species, what kind of legacy do we
leave our children's children " hey they tasted good so we ate every last one, sorry".
F-that, TORPEDOS....LOOSE!

You'll say that, until someone finds a reason THEY think is valid to kill you.

Maybe you sat on an endangered bug once.

As I said before, if you think animal life is more important than human life, would YOU be willing to die to save an animal? Or do you think it's OK so long as it's someone else's life being taken?

I would attempt to help an animal, but I would not lose my life over it. Same with humans, depending on the human. It's senseless and pointless to die trying to save someone. I would much rather save someone and live.
Life is life. You take what you need. Everything else is greed and glutton.

i assume you don't have any children? you would die trying to save them...........

-fish

But I know the difference between right and wrong, even when money is involved.
A lot of people have this mentality that if it is not human, it's a lesser being. I disagree.
If I had a child I would much rather save the child, and live. But if I die trying to save the child, it was never my intention, it was just necessary in that situation.
Dying for someone is not some heroic act like in the movies or on tv. It's usually an accident.

if it is your life or a childs(specifically your child) what would you choose?

 

tfcmasta97

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Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i hate greenpeace

bunch of gimps

:thumbsup: They're all for saving animals but the acts they commit are like terrorism. They have no regard for human life in order to save a few whales. :disgust:

If the "human life" in question would stop RAPING the ocean they would not be in any danger. Not a tree hugger here, I just feel future generations should be able to actually
see these animals, not just a picture of one..

Ive never seen many whales before, im fine with lookin at the pictures. Ramming whaling boats? these hippies have too much time/money on their hands.
 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: fisheerman
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
No one has the right to wipe the planet clean of a species, what kind of legacy do we
leave our children's children " hey they tasted good so we ate every last one, sorry".
F-that, TORPEDOS....LOOSE!

You'll say that, until someone finds a reason THEY think is valid to kill you.

Maybe you sat on an endangered bug once.

As I said before, if you think animal life is more important than human life, would YOU be willing to die to save an animal? Or do you think it's OK so long as it's someone else's life being taken?

I would attempt to help an animal, but I would not lose my life over it. Same with humans, depending on the human. It's senseless and pointless to die trying to save someone. I would much rather save someone and live.
Life is life. You take what you need. Everything else is greed and glutton.

i assume you don't have any children? you would die trying to save them...........

-fish

But I know the difference between right and wrong, even when money is involved.
A lot of people have this mentality that if it is not human, it's a lesser being. I disagree.
If I had a child I would much rather save the child, and live. But if I die trying to save the child, it was never my intention, it was just necessary in that situation.
Dying for someone is not some heroic act like in the movies or on tv. It's usually an accident.
All you've said here is that living is better than dying, which everyone agrees with you. But given teh chance to save a dog or a stranger, who would you save? And would you killyourself to guarantee the life of your children?

Depends on the situation.

I would take a bullet for my child, but I would not commit suicide.
What if you're in a situation where shooting yourself is the only way for your child to live. just suppose
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: tagej
What's needed is a way to create a noise or signal that will cause the whales to temporarily leave the area. That way a GP boat could simply follow the whalers around creating that noise every now and again, and the whalers would not be able to kill anything. Short of that, sinking every whaling ship is perfectly acceptable to me.

very good idea. prevent the whalers from finding any whales. eventually they will give up because costs will get higher than earnings from whale meat
 

Aharami

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800 whales?! isnt that a significant portion of the population? I thought there are only like couple thousand whales out there
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
No one has the right to wipe the planet clean of a species, what kind of legacy do we
leave our children's children " hey they tasted good so we ate every last one, sorry".
F-that, TORPEDOS....LOOSE!

You'll say that, until someone finds a reason THEY think is valid to kill you.

Maybe you sat on an endangered bug once.

As I said before, if you think animal life is more important than human life, would YOU be willing to die to save an animal? Or do you think it's OK so long as it's someone else's life being taken?

Nice flame bait there Amused. You could have just said, I agree that it is wrong for the Japanese to kill hundreds of whales each year and I also think it is wrong to hunt a species to extinction. On the other hand, I don't think it's right to endanger the lives of the crew on the whaling ships.
 
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Nice flame bait there Amused. You could have just said, I agree that it is wrong for the Japanese to kill hundreds of whales each year and I also think it is wrong to hunt a species to extinction. On the other hand, I don't think it's right to endanger the lives of the crew on the whaling ships.

Yes, but that wouldn't get people all riled up and uppity. ;)

- M4H
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: AaronB
I have to admit that I am confused. Are they eating this meat? If so, what is the problem? Unless you are a complete vegetarian, you have no room to cast judgement here.

im pretty sure the problem is that there is an international law against commercial whaling, and the japanese schedule "research" hunts to collect data in the name of science. then they gut, cut and sell the meat from these whales in japan as food. sounds commercial to me. as for them eating the meat, who cares. they can eat the footpads off of a capuchin monkey for all i care, its not going on my steak or salad.
 

Tobolo

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LOL at them saying the Japanese vessel rammed the protesters. The protesters BOW was smashed in. Explain to me how a ship can turn with enough force at the precise angle to smash the bow in. I could believe them if the ship had been on the side, But the bow? These "protesters" are nothing more than glorified terrorists.
 

Gulzakar

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Not to mention their tears are used in expensive perfumes.

Regardless, whales aren't a necessity. When will it all end? The only safe planet is one without humans.

Read up on Cherynobyl (a great example of humans bunking the world). The animals have returned, wolves are being seen...It would seem that humans are the real problem.
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: Tobolo
LOL at them saying the Japanese vessel rammed the protesters. The protesters BOW was smashed in. Explain to me how a ship can turn with enough force at the precise angle to smash the bow in. I could believe them if the ship had been on the side, But the bow? These "protesters" are nothing more than glorified terrorists.

well said :thumbsup:
 

Excelsior

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Japan has been increasingly strident in its calls for a lifting of the commercial whaling ban. This month, it hosted a conference of whaling supporters and issued a stinging rebuke of dozens of anti-whaling nations that stayed away, saying their absence would prevent reforms.

Tokyo maintains that whaling is a national tradition and a vital part of its food culture, and argues that whale stocks have sufficiently recovered since 1986 to allow a resumption of limited hunts of certain species.

Japan...I think it is time to give up your national tradition, k?