palindrome
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palindrome
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You really shouldn't go for condescension unless you can pull it off
Then again, I wouldn't expect much knowledge about brakes from someone who can't even spell it. Rotors were originally cross-drilled to deal with outgassing...back in the 60's, brake pads would start outgassing at racing temperatures, and this would form a boundary layer that would reduce braking effectiveness. This problem has been mostly taken care of with modern pads. They also provide very slightly better wet-weather performance. However, cross-drilled/slotted rotors are mostly cosmetic today. They also have a greater tendency to crack than ordinary rotors.
Brake cooling is done by the VANES, not the holes. How would that work, since the holes are travelling perpendicular to the airflow? The holes provide a very slight advantage, but it's really trivial in the grand scheme of things.
You're such a bad troll...
Originally posted by: palindrome
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: palindrome
Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Originally posted by: RCN
Originally posted by: palindrome
FYI, there are few things every 300ZX needs in order to operate at its peak.
-cross-drilled/slot-drilled rotors (car weighs about 3400lbs...)
-a spoiler to keep the tires on the road (NO NOT A CIVIC SPOILER!)
-take out the spare tire
-ceramic high performance breaks
-light-weight alloy rims
-something other than the stock stereo and speakers.... even if you have the Bose premium sound.. it still sucks
-anything you can do to lighten the car
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:roll:
Also might want to add a cell phone so you can call a friend or your daddy to come bring your spare tire to you. Also the drilled rotors aren't that way for weight.
Also, concerning the rotors, which I almost forgot. If you have ever read anything on the topic of the mid '89-'96 300ZX you would realize, THE BRAKES FADE! OMGWTFBBQ, why do brakes fade??? Hmmm maybe because the car weighs 3400lbs!!!! Its not like cross and slot drilled rotors help COOL the brakes so they dont FADE as fast... Wow, thanks for playing, you lose. Douche.
Clearly you have no concept of why rotors are cross-drilled and slotted.
Clearly you don't read well. Like a computer..... (ill explain so you can understand) the rotors use this thing called AIR to help eliminate residual heat from building on the break and rotors. Cooler rotors means cooler pads, cooler pads means longer pad life, and cooler pads also means they don't fade as fast. Did I explain it clearly enough this time? Shall I have another go? You still lose.
uuuuummmm....no. Please research 'outgassing'. That is where slots/ holes provide benifit. Also helps to remove old brake material.
Your Z has large ventilated rotors to dissipate the heat. If you are trying to get rid of fade you need larger vaned rotors/ pads/ better pad materials. Like these:
http://www.arizonazcar.com/300zxbrakes.html
I seriously doubt that you are experiencing fade though......
If you add drilled or slotted rotors all you will do is lessen the life of your pads.......
Edit: jagec beat me to it..
Please....tell me more of this RB30E in your Pathfinder....and the RB30DE option
The pathfinder (96) uses a VG33E. Your Z uses a VG30DE. No RBs in there......
hell yes, I will line up on ANY stock car anyone wants to bring me, or ANY RICER, i don't care if you've dumped 100K into your twin turbo'd I-4, I'll line up right next to you and show you what american horsepower is.
What about twin turbo'd I-6s?
Time slip scan? Cause I'm pulling a bit less than 11.9 as are many turbo'd 4s with far less than 100K in them. Its a nice car but don't get too cocky..........
Now if it is a comfort/ road noise contest you may have me there....
palindrome
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bah, I conceed ;D American cars still suck though. And yes I do have a fade problem. And when I posted RB30... I meant VG30. RB is whats in the jspec 240, the skyline, etc etc.... Also, if I haven't done an awesome job in pissing everyone off could you point me out to some NOT so expensive rotor/brake upgrades? Also plated so I don't get the awesome rust like the stock ones...
could you point me out to some NOT so expensive rotor/brake upgrades? Also plated so I don't get the awesome rust like the stock ones...
palindrome
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Sorry, if I dumped even 10K into my Z32, I'd be very willing to show you your $60K mistake. If you call my car a ricer, maybe I should call your a hamburger? I have yet to meet a new American sports car owner who is not a smug @sshole.
You can't compare a stock car to something that is used. The Z06 in 10 years will still have the same performance numbers, and yet will not cost anything close to 60k. New stock vs. new stock, for the money, the Z06 does dominate though.
I also doubt you'll be pushing 500hp, without nitrous and without commiting yourself to a broken car after a few runs, for 10k.
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Because those are cheap plastic toys that 'LOOK' cool and have large aftermarket for bling accessories. Those idiots can't afford a real high performance car and certainly wouldn't know how to modify it in any way that didn't involve chrome spinners, clear tail lights, and blue neons and LEDs.
I'll keep my twin screw blown '03 IRS Cobra thank you.
Originally posted by: palindrome
Also, if I haven't done an awesome job in pissing everyone off
You might come out cheaper putting Skyline GT-R brakes:
http://www.courtesyparts.com/Merchant2/...de=CP&Category_Code=z32_nismo_gtrbrake
I'm sure there are other upgrades but they will be expensive too.....
If I were you I would try different pads......
Those are the ratings. Bob Bondurant is a family friend and I can tell you that on his flat track 1.21 is almost easy.
And a turbo'd 1-4 or 1-6 may take me off the line because tire smoke is a HUGE problem but, who said anything about running a quarter mile? I thought you kids were street racers? Just to make life fun, I'll call one or two of my friends, my z06, a 2005 Impala that's been dyno'd at 532 fwhp, and a 67 split window that's been dyno'd at well over 700rwhp. I don't know how much he has in the impala but I helped build the 67 and he's got less than 30K in it, including the price of the car.
Well I guess the only judge of that would be autocross and although I haven't seen a Z06 at the track yet (haven't been in a while) I don't think I would have any problem spanking one.
The only advantage the Z06 would have on my car performance wise is on a really long oval/ straight because I'm gear limited and dealing with 30 year old aerodynamics and sh!t starts to get scary around 150mph so I can't compete at the top end.
I'm definately not saying my car is better. The Z06 is quiter, the interior is nicer, it looks sexy as hell, and and you don't have to be a mechanic to take it to the track.
I have less than 1/2 the cost of a Z06 in my car though....
I hate to defend palindrome but I'm confident I could take a Z32 and create a reliable car that spanks the Z06 in every way for ~ half the price.
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