Hunter Biden pardoned by President Biden

[HomerJS]

Stand back and stand by when Trump pardons all the J6 insurrectionists. He will use the Hunter pardon as justification.

 

[HomerJS]

Okay comrade, but remember your opinions are dogshit in the outside world. The vast American mandate for Trump just proved that!

Biden got 303 in 2020 and that was not deemed a mandate.
How is Trump's 9 more EC votes a mandate?

Because you say it is?

 

[Pens1566]

Stand back and stand by when Trump pardons all the J6 insurrectionists. He will use the Hunter pardon as justification.

That would really be like item #1247 on the list of "evidence that this country is effectively over as it was originally intended".

 

[K1052]

Stand back and stand by when Trump pardons all the J6 insurrectionists. He will use the Hunter pardon as justification.

Given the number of corrupt pardons Trump issued on his way out I don't think we're required to take him at his word when he does something he was gonna do anyway.

 

[Pens1566]

Okay comrade, but remember your opinions are dogshit in the outside world. The vast American mandate for Trump just proved that!

Trump's "mandate" is literally like the 4th SMALLEST margin of victory ... ever.

 

[IronWing]

Biden should go full Joker and pardon all the federal drug offenders, empty the prisons.

 

[pmv]

The way the media is covering this is fucking obscene as usual.

I agree - and I don't even particularly like Biden (I think his term has turned out to be a complete failure, very much including his completely ineffectual response to the Israel and Gaza situation) and think Hunter is a grade-A screw-up and poster child for the negative effects of inherited privilege [Edit - though now I think about it, there's some pretty stiff competition for that role, and Prince Andrew would probably pip him to the post].

Despite that it still seems clear that in this particular case Hunter was treated more harshly than would have been the case if he'd been an obscure nobody, and there's nothing unprecedentedly awful about Biden pardoning him.

Not least there was this case

Charles Kushner - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ken g6]

I think the rule is that each pardon can only name one individual, and the President has to sign each one individually. So he can't pardon all of a large group like Democrats or drug offenders at once.

 

[Brainonska511]

Who cares? The GOP isn't the party claiming to want to stick to the rule of law, nobody is above the law, etc.

As usual Dems don't understand the optics game.

You don't understand the game at all. If one side goes off the rails and continues to exert power despite that, you don't win by hewing closer to the norms hoping that people will somehow see the light. You need to escalate until everyone decides that abiding by norms is for the best.

In short: people crying over "Democrats doing X" can take their tears and shove them where the sun doesn't shine. The criticism is completely hollow.

 

[Brainonska511]

Stand back and stand by when Trump pardons all the J6 insurrectionists. He will use the Hunter pardon as justification.

As if Trump would need to use this as an excuse. Republicans are going to do something repugnant regardless of what Democrats do or do not do.

 

[eelw]

It’s insane the congress critters saying the blanket pardon proves he’s guilty. Umm he’s protecting his son from a basket full of deplorables from attacking him more.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It’s insane the congress critters saying the blanket pardon proves he’s guilty. Umm he’s protecting his son from a basket full of deplorables from attacking him more.

lol you can only pardon someone who’s been convicted afaik, guilty or not.

 

[IronWing]

I think the rule is that each pardon can only name one individual, and the President has to sign each one individually. So he can't pardon all of a large group like Democrats or drug offenders at once.

Carter pardoned all the draft resisters in one pardon.

 

[Zorba]

And yet you did reply to it.

Serious question. Do you have any history of mental illness? A lot of the time you spend here you're arguing about stuff that no one else is talking about. With that and the "you're trying to trick me" thing it really sounds like you are a touch delusional. I mainly ask because I'll feel a bit guilty if you do actually have a mental health problem.

He refuses to believe we don't think about India as much as he thinks about the West.

 

[Zorba]

Who cares? The GOP isn't the party claiming to want to stick to the rule of law, nobody is above the law, etc.

As usual Dems don't understand the optics game.

Who cares, if people voted for Trump after Jan 6th, his pardons, and his stealing classified data, I seriously doubt this will impact Democrats in 4 years.

What it really does is show Dems are sick of being the only ones that play by the rules.

 

[Zorba]

And didn't the Trump special prosecutor even recommend the plea deal Hunter was going to take? I thought he did, And it was the Republican Congress who fucked that up too because they were on a political witch Hunt.

The way the media is covering this is fucking obscene as usual.

Honestly this whole country is so so fucked

Yeah, pulling the plea deal was 100% political as well.

 

[Zorba]

I think the rule is that each pardon can only name one individual, and the President has to sign each one individually. So he can't pardon all of a large group like Democrats or drug offenders at once.

Carter pardoned all Vietnam draft dodgers.

 

[manly]

I agree - and I don't even particularly like Biden (I think his term has turned out to be a complete failure, very much including his completely ineffectual response to the Israel and Gaza situation)

IIRC Biden has been graded as a slightly above average president (as of some months ago) in historians rankings. His legacy was certainly tainted by Harris' loss, but I don't see how you can call his term a "complete failure." Unless DJT/Pubs roll back everything Dems achieved these past few years.

Biden calls himself a Zionist, so he was never going to have a better policy in the Israel/Hamas war. I'm not condoning the ineffectual policy, but accepting the reality of the situation. There are certainly some fair criticisms of his term*, but like I said he probably goes down as an average (or slightly better) U.S. president.

* The most decisive failure was choosing to run for reelection, which isn't exactly part of his job performance, but set in place a chain of events for Trump's win.

Edit:
I will say that this pardon is emblematic of Joe Biden arriving at the right policy late. This was one of the recurring problems with our Ukraine strategy; while we were correctly mindful of Russia's reaction and nuclear arsenal, we continually held back UA and never gave them the best shot at victory. Now any deal brokered by Donald Trump will include tons of capitulation towards daddy Vladdy.

 

[brycejones]

Who cares? The GOP isn't the party claiming to want to stick to the rule of law, nobody is above the law, etc.

As usual Dems don't understand the optics game.

Oh just fuck off with your whiny bullshit

 

[Pens1566]

I think the rule is that each pardon can only name one individual, and the President has to sign each one individually. So he can't pardon all of a large group like Democrats or drug offenders at once.

If POTUS does it in the course of their official duties ...

 

[Ken g6]

IIRC Biden has been graded as a slightly above average president (as of some months ago) in historians rankings. His legacy was certainly tainted by Harris' loss, but I don't see how you can call his term a "complete failure." Unless DJT/Pubs roll back everything Dems achieved these past few years.

Biden calls himself a Zionist, so he was never going to have a better policy in the Israel/Hamas war. I'm not condoning the ineffectual policy, but accepting the reality of the situation. There are certainly some fair criticisms of his term*, but like I said he probably goes down as an average (or slightly better) U.S. president.

* The most decisive failure was choosing to run for reelection, which isn't exactly part of his job performance, but set in place a chain of events for Trump's win.

Edit:
I will say that this pardon is emblematic of Joe Biden arriving at the right policy late. This was one of the recurring problems with our Ukraine strategy; while we were correctly mindful of Russia's reaction and nuclear arsenal, we continually held back UA and never gave them the best shot at victory. Now any deal brokered by Donald Trump will include tons of capitulation towards daddy Vladdy.

Ukraine strategy always had to be slow because of the threat of Russian nukes hanging over our heads.

Probably not literally. (That picture is from the movie Space Cowboys.)

 

[manly]

Ukraine strategy always had to be slow because of the threat of Russian nukes hanging over our heads.

I already mentioned that, and it's certainly understandable to avoid sparking WW3. But it turns out all these red lines we were afraid of crossing were never red lines to begin with.

 

[Moonbeam]

These tricks are old hat; what else you got? Oh, you are finished! Here is a word of advice: don't quit your day job to try being a guru or something like that. You suck at it, and even the easily deluded fools here are not impressed either, and that says a lot about the low standards for achievement here. You are overthinking this too. The formula for success is very simple here: keep on with the circle jerking!

I’m aware of just how old hat it is for you to hear suggested that you have satisfied a person very sick dream implanted in you as the result of colonial domination by British White men who could see nothing of the richness of Indian culture which you turned your back on by expressing the same phony hatred of Western culture that was done to you.

Treat people as dogs and that is what they will become. We become what we fear and hate as we are hated. Thankfully the strength of Indian culture saved millions of your fellow people from that same fate. They never were exposed to the notion there was anything wrong with them. Had you been so lucky you would feel no need to gloat over electoral outcomes or preen like a peacock with such obvious neediness of ego.

He whose destiny was to experience the simple joy of self respect and loses it via the put downs of inferior men, seeks to patch over that wound via self righteous egotistical arrogance. The path you are on leads nowhere. You are pouring from the empty into the void. You are the only one who can save yourself. Drop the act if you can. You have lost your way. I can do no more for you.

All your pain is the result of belief in lies. There is no such thing as an inferior person. Some of us know it and most of us do not.

The lover smells the perfume of love with each breath. The hater smells only its own stink. This is a truth none can escape no matter how hard they try.

 

[hal2kilo]

Biden got 303 in 2020 and that was not deemed a mandate.
How is Trump's 9 more EC votes a mandate?

Because you say it is?

If Republicans win, they ALWAYS claim they have a mandate no matter how miniscule the win.

 

[Jaskalas]

When SCOTUS ruled that Trump (and Presidents) are above the law, all is fair in love and war.
Might as well protect your own from the abuse of power that is incoming.