My point is that slapping on a label of terrorism by some countries doesnt mean squat, other than that those countries dont like m.
We both agree definition of a terrorist depends on which side you're on. I'm on the side of the countries which have been attacked by Muslims for a decade now. You might be on the other side, and that's really OK. Lets just be honest about it, shall we? You can argue the case for the Iranians, the Palestinians and Lebanese, just don't pretend that you care about US interests.
Please tell me that is a joke right? Not only are they one of the only states in the world to have developed nukes themselves (which by definition IS proliferation), they also sold their technology to that other apartheid state and even offered to
SELL THEM NUKES:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons
Im not aware of any other country in the world that went that far.
I guess the North Korean nuclear reactor found in Syria and massive nuclear technology transfer by the Pakistanis to highest bidders escaped you. Nevertheless, Israel got its nuclear material from South Africa and I guess that was some kind of a deal. Far from perfect, but when you're a country of 5 million Jews, 3 decades after a genocide, threatened and actively attacked by 5-6 Arab nations and have the world turn its back on you for assuring their supply of oil, you go to some drastic lengths.
Moreover, they didnt stop proliferation of of nuclear weapons to say, Iraq, by bombing a non military research reactor, they actually kick started the iraqi nuclear weapons program by doing so.
Some claims it did, some claim it didn't (including Bill Clinton who retroactively supported the attack during his presidency). Not too long ago, Israel did the same with Syria - a signatory of the NPT; the fact it could covertly build a North Korean enrichment plant while being under the supervision of the IAEA just shows its real worth.
You mean its above the law, and has no obligations towards geneva conventions or USNC resolutions ? No obligation whatsoever to the people who's lands its occupying? Really?
A best-effort to comply with the international law and Geneva Convention would be good enough for me, and that's what Israel does. In fact, Israel goes above and beyond, sending soldiers into urban areas no sane country would get into (instead bomb it from the air, US-style).
Calling someone a terrorist doesnt make it so, nor does it excuse Israel for committing war crimes. I would also argue that by doing what its doing, its not making is citizens any safer, quite on the contrary. Its the same kind of delusional thinking that the US is safer now that Saddam is gone and youve put a Pro Iran government in charge of Iraq and a drug dealing war thug as mayor of Kabul.
Judging by recent history, the Gaza disengagement increased the attacks, while operation Cast Lead dramatically reduced them, as the table taken from Wikipedia shows:
Year Israeli Casualties Rockets
2001 1 4
2002 1 35
2003 1 155
2004 5 281
2005 6 108
2006 4 946
2007 2 896
2008 8 1,199 + 223 + 330
2009 0 578
2010 1 106
Disengagement was at 2006, Cast Lead in 2008. I'd say there's a clear correlation between the force applied on the Palestinians and the safety of Israeli citizens. The same applies to suicide bombings, which stopped altogether due to Israeli operations against terror operatives and their leaders.
Oh thats original. If you break laws, you just declare them obsolete. Thats golden. YOu really dont believe terrorism is anything new do you? Moreover how does terrorism somehow warrant using clusterbombs against civilians, using white phosphor, ethnic cleansing, illegal annexation of land, collective punishment or systematic demolition of houses? All violations of those 'obsolete' treaties and all war crimes. Naming examples of Palestenian war crimes doesnt make any of that right.
Well so far there hasn't been a more effective method to deal with the Palestinians. Israel hasn't invented it;
it would have to thank King Hussein for that. The peak of terror attacks coincided with the Oslo process, and that's no coincidence.
Even if Iran doesnt withdraw, other countries are seeing whats going on; quitting the NPT and building a bomb works. Staying in the NPT isnt providing any benefit, if the US doesnt like your regime, you wont get any of the promises in the NPT and they will use it against you. The only way to be safe is building a bomb. Thats a great message to send out.
I think that making an example of countries such as Iran and North Korea would send a very good message on what happens when you act against Western interests. Unlike you, I'm not interested in any global justice or equality; I want the US to reign with a steel fist, allowing me and my family to live our happy comfortable lives without being threatened by Nuclear-armed Mullahs.
Yeah they do. I guess Israel wasnt quite as effective as you claimed in disarming them or preventing them from being able to launch rockets. The good news here is that Israel is going to have to think twice now before yet again invading a neighbor.
Speaking of invading neighbors, let us recall how the unfortunate events of 2006 started:
The conflict began when Hezbollah militants fired rockets at Israeli border towns as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence.[28] The ambush left three soldiers dead. Two additional soldiers, believed to have been killed outright or mortally wounded, were taken by Hezbollah to Lebanon.[28][29][30] Five more were killed in a failed rescue attempt.
You and I both know that the only thing these weapons will cause is that the next conflict will mean utter and total destruction to Lebanon.
There we go again. I have to be a Muslim for standing against US/Israeli aggression and war crimes.
I would assume just that, as clearly your allegiance is with those who we consider to be terrorists.
Here is a news flash for you; in most of the world people look upon this as I do. I just stumbled across this:
No where is Israel seen a mostly positive influence, not even in the US. Globally, its about as popular as North Korea or.. Iran.
http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbccntryview09/backgrounder.html
You forgot to mention that US ranked about the same. Obviously a large portion of the world population would like to see Israel vanish, preferably together with its inhabitants. That's why Israel needs WMDs. So does Iran, but that doesn't mean we should let them get it.
I guess they are only terms to you. They arent to me, they are pretty real. 'terrorist' is just a term to me.
The Muslim compliance with international law begins and stops with pointing fingers at Israel. As I said, it's just a platform attacking the West, nothing more. Just look at the poor record of the UN Human Rights Committee; it singlehandedly shows how bad are the international governance mechanisms are abused by the Muslims.
Dont most Christians believe in that too?
I wouldn't know.
Yep. Just like there are about nuclear armed apartheid states selling nuclear weapons to other terrorist states, fighting wars of aggression and committing war crimes on a daily basis.
Sorry, you dont scare me. Wake me up when Iran is found diverting nuclear materials or enriching beyond 20% for fuel rods. Then Ill start worrying.
Both Syria and Iran uncovered programs previously unknown to IAEA. It's worthless.
Meanhwile I'll worry more about the much more
real threat of an Israeli nuclear attack.
You will get no sympathy from me:
The U.S. did not understand that Israel saw the Soviet Union as its number one threat; that even before he became President Nixon’s National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger had told Israeli leaders that the U.S. would not help Israel if the Soviets attacked it; that Israeli missiles targeted the Soviet Union from 1971 on; that the Soviets had added four Israeli cities to their target list; that the Soviets had threatened Israel after the 1973 war because Israel kept breaking ceasefires with Egypt.[8]
Hersh includes two threatening sounding quotations from Israeli leaders. He writes that a “former Israeli govt official” with “first hand knowledge of his government’s nuclear weapons program” told him: We can still remember the smell of Auschwitz and Treblinka. Next time we’ll take all of you with us.
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