How the PlayStation 4 is better than a PC

[Erenhardt]

When talking to console fanboys, I have to keep reminding myself of this:

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/idiots

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IMHO, everyone should be excited about upcoming consoles. Finally PC hardware will be released from short chains of PS3/Xbox360.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

IMHO, everyone should be excited about upcoming consoles. Finally PC hardware will be released from short chains of PS3/Xbox360.

Graphics are nice, but made for monkeys controllers and their affect on gameplay is one of the biggest problems..

I see no reason to be excited since consoles haven't died.

 

[Erenhardt]

Graphics are nice, but made for monkeys controllers and their affect on gameplay is one of the biggest problems..

I see no reason to be excited since consoles haven't died.

I guess some will never be happy... no matter what...
I for one, am excited about Illumiroom and other shit comming at us .
Moar hardware is never a bad thing. Who knows, maybe someday we will have two consoles:
- one for enthusiast, with top end spec, running games in 4k 60fps AA BBQ FTW SQL
- one for casuals with just enough power, running games at decent settings, but with $500 price tag

 

[FalseChristian]

I think my 3 year-old PC with 2 'old' GTX 460 1GB SLI will plunder the new PS 4. Where's the excitement? For console 'gamers' not true gamers.

 

[Zanovar]

Agree with Erenhardts point, better games coming my way*plays air guitar*

 

[Stuka87]

I think my 3 year-old PC with 2 'old' GTX 460 1GB SLI will plunder the new PS 4. Where's the excitement? For console 'gamers' not true gamers.

1GB cards get hurt badly on modern titles that are using in upwards of 2GB. Try playing any recent game at high settings at 1080P, and watch your frames rates crash due to running out of video memory.

 

[Erenhardt]

I think my 3 year-old PC with 2 'old' GTX 460 1GB SLI will plunder the new PS 4. Where's the excitement? For console 'gamers' not true gamers.

Ohhh.. please continue grandpa... I love your stories.
GTX460 SLI comparison

 

[2is]

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IMHO, everyone should be excited about upcoming consoles. Finally PC hardware will be released from short chains of PS3/Xbox360.

I am excited for the new consoles. I just don't let my excitement fool me into making claims like this APU being 2.5x more powerful than a 680 graphically and matching an i7 computationally.

 

[Keromyaou]

When PS3 appeared, its hardware was significantly better than its contemporary PCs. It was definitely worth to get a console to run games that time. PS3 made many PCs obsolete then. But this time the hardware of PS4 is weaker than mid to high end gaming PCs'. Unlike PS3 era, if you would like to play games at higher resolutions or at better quality, it is worthwhile to go with PCs this time around. However if you run games on PCs with low to mid-range cards, you are probably able to play games better with PS4 than your current PC setups. In short PS4 won't make all the current PCs obsolete but you need good PC setups to beat PS4 in gaming performance.

Unlike PS4, PCs can do many things. PCs can play a vast amount of older games in the past 25 years as well. There are many new Indy game titles only for PCs too. Then if you already have a PC with mid to high end gpus, I really don't see a benefit of getting PS4 unless there are PS4-specific game titles that you really want to play. On the other hand if you currently only have a laptop computer for general usage but want to play games casually at an adequate resolution, PS4 is a good way to go. Consoles are significantly cheaper than building a PC with mid to high end gpus. IMHO whether PCs or PS4 is better actually depends on each person's situations.

 

[galego]

Where are you getting this information from regarding the dev kit, provide a source please.

http://kotaku.com/5977849/the-plays...ncy-user-accounts-and-impressive-specs-so-far

 

[galego]

Well, link it then, a forum post on AT is not a source. And even so, the UE4 demo is not even mentioned there.



So which is it? Does the devkit run at "27-29%" of a real PS4, or does it have a FX-8350, which is a ton more powerful than the tablet cpu it's going to use.

As said leaked details can be easily found on the web

http://www.google.com/search?q=ps4+27-29%

The dev kit uses a custom FX chip. I gave the link in a previous post.

 

[notty22]

As said leaked details can be easily found on the web

http://www.google.com/search?q=ps4+27-29%

The dev kit uses a custom FX chip. I gave the link in a previous post.

You are linking us to another comment post, (probably from YOU), about the % of processing power used. You are being irresponsible with your facts.

Posted by VG779 (not verified)
"This demo was created/running on approximation hardware - not final dev/PS4 silicon. Also, the demo was created within a constrained timeframe for showing. Just for sh**s and giggles, the demo only used 27-29% of the AH resources - unoptimized. Before you ask, there is no link, I am the link."

 

[galego]

I am excited for the new consoles. I just don't let my excitement fool me into making claims like this APU being 2.5x more powerful than a 680 graphically and matching an i7 computationally.

It has been explained to you lots of times but you continue getting it all wrong.

First, it is not a mere APU as trinity/richland. It is an APU-HSA with hUMA and fast GDRR5 as main memory.

Second, it is not only hardware but the combination of hardware plus software.

An i7 + GTX-680 gaming pc waste lots of cycles and IPC with an overbloated operative system as Windows and with inefficient DX APIs. The console will be using a light OS and light APIs plus close-to-metal capabilities which do not exist on a windows 7/8 gaming PC.

A car analogy explains it very well: A 150 hp superbike is faster than a 300 hp supercar.

Or just see the PC that game developers have chose for running the demos. They chose an i7 with a GTX 680.

 

[galego]

When PS3 appeared, its hardware was significantly better than its contemporary PCs.

When PS3 appeared PCs had more memory and GPUs with more GFLOP, still the PS3 was faster. The PS3 was able to compete with PCs that were 10x more powerful.

I estimated that the PS4 could be competing against PCs 5x more powerful. The leaked detail about the Epic demo running at 27-29% of the AH increases it up to about 7x.

 

[2is]

It has been explained to you lots of times but you continue getting it all wrong

You keep saying that and it doesn't carry any less BS now than it did the other times you said it. You've made a mockery of yourself in nearly every thread you've participated in.

 

[zebrax2]

I have no doubt (cost aside) that you can build a PC today that would be more powerful than the next gen consoles but i think the right question to ask is how much would PC gaming be held back by the new consoles during its lifetime.

1.) The gap in-between new GPU generations has been increasing to ~1.5-2years so the next gen consoles might only be ~4-5 gen behind instead of 6-7
2.) Improvement in terms of graphics quality has been slowing down or rather the improvements isn't as noticeable as before

This is why i believe that the next gen of consoles will hold us back less in comparison to the current gen

 

[galego]

You are linking us to another comment post, (probably from YOU), about the % of processing power used. You are being irresponsible with your facts.

What? This is hilarious. I am giving you a link to Google search

http://www.google.com/search?q=ps4+27-29%

with lots of places discussing the leaked detail and discussing if "MikeR" is in reality Mark Rein from Epic or not.

The info about the % has been also posted here on anandtech forums by another poster. In fact he also added the extra info about the demo being limited to only 1.5 GB VRAM. Again Google is your friend

http://www.google.com/search?q=ps4+1.5+VRAM

 

[galego]

You keep saying that and it doesn't carry any less BS now than it did the other times you said it. You've made a mockery of yourself in nearly every thread you've participated in.

Sorry but I don't care about the opinion of an anonymous poster in a forum. What I have been saying is supported by many developers in many places. I am in good company.

 

[2is]

Sorry but I don't care about the opinion of an anonymous poster in a forum. What I have been saying is supported by many developers in many places. I am in good company.

You say that like im the only who knows you're clueless. Developers aren't saying what you're saying. You're taking bits and pieces of incomplete information and drawing conclusions that are way off base. If your claims were legit or even had a reasonable degree of merit, you wouldn't have nearly everyone calling you out. Heck you even had a moderator call you out for trolling in another thread.

Let me give you an example... You keep throwing out this 29% figure. When you get called out on BS, you link to other people who throw out a 29% figure. Both yours and their claims having no validity and both being called out for BS by multiple sources, and by sources I mean random people, I'd have to assume that's good enough by your standards since that's all you've used as a source. Since there are more people claiming BS then there are claiming a legit figure, then it must be BS even by your standards.

I wonder, does your misguided enthusiasm stem from your love of consoles or merely that there's AMD hardware in there?

 

[galego]

You say that like im the only who knows you're clueless. Developers aren't saying what you're saying. You're taking bits and pieces of incomplete information and drawing conclusions that are way off base. If your claims were legit or even had a reasonable degree of merit, you wouldn't have nearly everyone calling you out. Heck you even had a moderator call you out for trolling in another thread.

Let me give you an example... You keep throwing out this 29% figure. When you get called out on BS, you link to other people who throw out a 29% figure. Both yours and their claims having no validity and both being called out for BS by multiple sources, and by sources I mean random people, I'd have to assume that's good enough by your standards since that's all you've used as a source. Since there are more people claiming BS then there are claiming a legit figure, then it must be BS even by your standards.

I wonder, does your misguided enthusiasm stem from your love of consoles or merely that there's AMD hardware in there?

Not even close. No need to repeat all the links, comments, and technical details, but for instance, the same game developers who did the same demo that you mention barely are saying that the "PS4 is like a really perfect gaming pc".

 

[2is]

"Like A perfect gaming PC" (which I wouldn't necessarily disagree with) does not mean a more powerful machine. (Which I know is rubbish)

Thanks for that perfect example if taking bits of information and misinterpreting it.

 

[galego]

Quantum Dream has said, in a recent interview, that the performance of the PS4 is like a PC of 2014 or 2015

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/quantic-ps4-like-the-pc-of-2014-or-2015-6407724

Unsurprisingly, this coincides with Timothy Lottes (Nvidia) when he said that the PS4 could be "years ahead of PCs" just after knowing the specs...

 

[Tuna-Fish]

When PS3 appeared, its hardware was significantly better than its contemporary PCs.

This is simply not true. The GPU was a weaker version of a GF7800, and the CPU was a crappy in-order monstrosity. 3 days before the PS3 launch, nVidia launched 8800 GTX, which was basically in a whole new class, way better than all older GPUs, including the ones in the consoles.

XBOX360 was better than PCs at launch, and up to the 8800 launch. PS3 was just shitty.

 

[galego]

"Like A perfect gaming PC" (which I wouldn't necessarily disagree with) does not mean a more powerful machine. (Which I know is rubbish)

Thanks for that perfect example if taking bits of information and misinterpreting it.

Except that when Epic said that and added "the world best PC" was mentioning "power", "phenomenal hardware", "enhanced PC architecture"... in the same interview.

 

[galego]

In case you did not notice Mark Cerny has an interview where discusses several aspects of the PS4 with some tech. deep. He explicitly explains why the PS4 is a "supercharged PC". Interesting the part where presents part of the vision that they had for the next gen

a dozen programs running simultaneously on that GPU -- using it to perform physics computations, to perform collision calculations, to do ray tracing for audio.

how PC hardware could not support that vision and how the PS4 architecture was designed to address that problem.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/191007/