How the PlayStation 4 is better than a PC

[I.M.Weasel]

lol I don't think so, good try though.

 

[Sleepingforest]

lol I don't think so, good try though.

Because...? I mean, if you accept that a TV is typically far more expensive than a monitor while providing similar display quality, I'd say that it works out pretty well.

A 1080p 60" TV is around $1000. If a PS4 is $500, I can see the $1500 PC build being at least competitive.

 

[escrow4]

What about the 64-bit benefit? With XP finally dying next year, plus 8GB RAM (GDRR5 or otherwise) in next gen consoles, finally games can break past the archaic 2GB limit on 32 bit systems - bigger levels, more assets etc. That and multithreaded titles will finally mean a pretty substantial gaming leap, methinks.

As to the general thread, you can't compare consoles to all PC's. I currently have a 680 and an i7 3770. I'll upgrade to Maxwell more than likely, skipping the 780's, so in this case its obvious next gen consoles can't compare. That and I seriously doubt next gen consoles will have all the pretty bells and whistles - light shafts, tessellation, high res textures etc.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

The purpose of this thread is lost on most of the idiots posting. They comparing a $1600 PC with a 850 watt PSU to a $400 console that's <200w. Compare that console to a 200 watt PC that's 400 bucks.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

The purpose of this thread is lost on most of the idiots posting. They comparing a $1600 PC with a 850 watt PSU to a $400 console that's <200w. Compare that console to a 200 watt PC that's 400 bucks.

Luckily only idiots are constrained to idiot constraints.

 

[Sohaltang]

Because...? I mean, if you accept that a TV is typically far more expensive than a monitor while providing similar display quality, I'd say that it works out pretty well.

A 1080p 60" TV is around $1000. If a PS4 is $500, I can see the $1500 PC build being at least competitive.

Yeah cause when I game it's always solo :whiste: during the Super Bowl we can gather 20 people in my bedroom to watch the big show on the 23 inch monitor lol. It's awesome to put on netflix and jump into bed 20 feet away and watch my monitor with binoculars. Ill take 60 inch tv's in each room connected to ps4s (currently ps3s). My rig is hooked to my BR TV that I do use to stream some media or to let the family watch me play.

The ps4s market is to connect to a TV easily. Yeah I can build a cheap HTPC to watch media. But without spending a fortune I can't build one that is a HTPC that two people can sit back drink beer and game on.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Now we dont know the PSU in the PS4 yet. But the PS3 launched with a 380W PSU.

 

[ShintaiDK]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/191007/inside_the_playstation_4_with_mark_.php

A bit more information. Still Sony PR tho. But interesting that they considered 128bit bus and eDRAM.

 

[DaveSimmons]

The purpose of this thread is lost on most of the idiots posting. They comparing a $1600 PC with a 850 watt PSU to a $400 console that's <200w. Compare that console to a 200 watt PC that's 400 bucks.

That isn't the thread title. "Better than a PC" is not at all the same as "better than a $400 PC".

But thanks for knocking down that strawman.

 

[Olikan]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/191007/inside_the_playstation_4_with_mark_.php

A bit more information. Still Sony PR tho. But interesting that they considered 128bit bus and eDRAM.

go read the OP....

 

[mj79]

Yessir, I can show you a build that runs Crysis 3 at max settings, 60 frames per second at 1080p which includes the monitor for $1800 (not to mention faster load times because of the SSD). The 670s in SLI should be able to handle Very High quality):

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($183.56 @ Amazon)
Motherboard:


MSI Z77MA-G45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.20 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($152.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.92 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($351.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($351.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec Eleven Hundred ATX Full Tower Case ($109.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($80.00 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($95.25 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Dell U2312HM 23.0" Monitor ($224.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1802.86
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-26 23:39 EDT-0400)

Or, if you prefer, a build that merely exceeds a Playstation 3 (can play at 1080p/60 frames per second at all, as seen here):

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($183.56 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z77MA-G45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.20 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($152.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.92 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($440.78 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($95.25 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Dell U2312HM 23.0" Monitor ($224.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1444.66
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-26 23:44 EDT-0400)

Lol!!!! WHAT are you comparing those $1500 and $1800 systems too again??? The $250 ps3 and $4xx something ps4??? Lololol


You don't see a problem with this right off the bat? How do you justify a $1500 price gap? Ty monitor? And for those staying " you need to plug the n your gaming console to a TV" blah blah blah. Really???that's all ya got??? Who on gods green earth doesn't have a TV that owns a console ? You think ppl buy a console/ TV package?? You PC fanboys are really coming out with the funnies in this one.


Like I said. Show me a $300 gaming PC that is 8 years old and we will compare it to a ps3.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I'd have a $1000 computer regardless if I gamed or not just because I'm geeky about them. I enjoy the speed, power, quality of home built PCs. So adding a $300 video card that stomps all over a little garbage box like the ps4 is not a significant cost.

 

[lagokc]

Because...? I mean, if you accept that a TV is typically far more expensive than a monitor while providing similar display quality, I'd say that it works out pretty well.

A 1080p 60" TV is around $1000. If a PS4 is $500, I can see the $1500 PC build being at least competitive.

It's probably fair to assume that an adult human is going to already have:
1) a TV
2) a computer for bills and things

So the only real cost difference is between the PS4's total cost and the cost to turn an office computer into a gaming computer (a decent GPU every 2-3 years).

 

[mj79]

It's probably fair to assume that an adult human is going to already have:
1) a TV
2) a computer for bills and things

So the only real cost difference is between the PS4's total cost and the cost to turn an office computer into a gaming computer (a decent GPU every 2-3 years).

exactly what I was thinking.. Why are $1000 TVs being thrown into the comparison? It has nothing to do with it.. Thought we were just talking about hardware..

Everyone who has a PC or a video game console More than likely has a TV, so why people are adding that to the price of a console is just moronic

 

[R0H1T]

exactly what I was thinking.. Why are $1000 TVs being thrown into the comparison? It has nothing to do with it.. Thought we were just talking about hardware..

Everyone who has a PC or a video game console More than likely has a TV, so why people are adding that to the price of a console is just moronic

Just to keep the debate in favor of PC I guess

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I'm most definitely of the opinion that the PC is far better. I'm excited about what the hardware in the PS4 can do for PC's. As soon as a similar APU is available for purchase I will have one in a mATX case sitting under my TV.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yessir, I can show you a build that runs Crysis 3 at max settings, 60 frames per second at 1080p which includes the monitor for $1800 (not to mention faster load times because of the SSD). The 670s in SLI should be able to handle Very High quality):

I run max settings at 2560x1440 on my 670s. No problemo

 

[frozentundra123456]

Interesting how the thread title is that PS4 is better than a PC, but then when PC hardware that seems it would be stronger is mentioned, price suddenly becomes a factor.

I have no problem accepting that the PS4 will be a very good platform for the price. Will it surpass a top end gaming PC, probably not, but no one really knows. All the overhyped developer statements and comparisons are pointless until we see hard data.

Actually, my teen age grandson wants to build a gaming PC this summer in the 800.00 range. If he were only interested in newer triple A titles, I think he would be better off with a PS4. He does like to play a wide variety of PC games such as strategy, simulation, war games, indie games, etc. so obviously he needs the flexibility of a PC.

 

[cmdrdredd]

exactly what I was thinking.. Why are $1000 TVs being thrown into the comparison? It has nothing to do with it.. Thought we were just talking about hardware..

Everyone who has a PC or a video game console More than likely has a TV, so why people are adding that to the price of a console is just moronic

Because there are people who forget you can't have a PC without a display device just like you cannot have a PS4 without a display device. You must factor that in because saying "everyone has a TV" is the same as saying "everyone has a PC just get a new GPU".

Lol@23 inches. Include something that will make me turn off my 63 inch samsung. Hooray you did best a ps4 for only 1444$. Good job. Point proven.

I still need my wifi, bluray, touch screen wireless controller, 7.1, Bluetooth?

Mobos have wifi built in now, a bluetooth dongle is $10, and you CAN plug your PC into your TV (an investment you probably already have made).

 

[aigomorla]

Like I said. Show me a $300 gaming PC that is 8 years old and we will compare it to a ps3.

now thats not fair cuz the PS3 cant even do DX11.

This is such a funny topic its amazing.

1. The PS4 will NEVER and i say NEVER come close to a full blown enthusiest desktop. Impossible.

There is nothing u guys can tell me that this arch will top a monster tri sli or quadfire rig. Of course the price difference between a tri sli and quadfire rigs vs a PS4 is another ballgame itself.

2. I will NEVER TRUST AMD ever again with special anouncements . AMD isnt AMD as it used to be.
ITs a bunch of monkeys in PR thinking they can hype everything and anything they have to get some profit before the general public finds out.
Dont even get us started with how much this forum has been burnt by AMD and JFAMD the rep directly.

3. NO.. u cant pair up the second raited CPU company with a second raited GPU company and say its better then the top ranked cpu company and top raited gpu company. This PS4 is saying in a nutshell... our console is greater then haswell and the nvidia 790GTX when it comes out...
PUAHAHAHAHAHA.. please.. dont get me even started on this.... how about fixing the water in games b4 u say ur greater then nvidia.


This BOX is saying.. in exact detail to me..

"OUR PS4 with bulldozer mad cat technology with built in fusion technology which our top of the line APU was researched into this tiny little box.
it so awesome we figured out a way to quadfire our cpu with gpu.. and make it into something new and special...

And this box is so awesome it does things our desktop and gpu cant do in the real market against its real competitors in EVERY benchmark thrown at it.

However none of u guys are gonna ever figure that out cuz 90% of these ad were claiming.. you guys cant afford it to find out the real truth"


^ that is what AMD is telling me.


And intel is somewhere in the corner with a facepalm going... we dont need to shout to speak.. we show when we speak.


speaking honestly... comparing a 500 dollar console to a 6000 dollar gaming setup is .. well FUNNY.

 

[blackened23]

Because there are people who forget you can't have a PC without a display device just like you cannot have a PS4 without a display device. You must factor that in because saying "everyone has a TV" is the same as saying "everyone has a PC just get a new GPU"..

Just so you know, I find this argument completely silly. I won't get into the PC vs console debate, IMO it's not an apples to apples comparison. Obviously the PC has more brute force but also has to deal with APIs, which consoles do not. But back to your argument. Silly. Display devices are required for both, and you can get a 200$ display or a 1500$ display for either the console or PC. So you're calculating a 200$ cost for a PC and a 1500$ cost for a console. Yeah, if you say so, that's literally has me scratching my head. If someone wants a 200$ 30 inch display for their console, they can certainly do that. Just like they can do it for the PC. Just call the display cost even. Not everyone gets a big screen for their console, I have a wall mounted screen for my 360, not a big screen. It certainly cost a lot less than my IPS panels for my main PC.

Just take this out of your argument, IMO. You should only be comparing system costs because display costs for either consoles or PCs have a wide range of variance - you know this. You can get a cheap crap TN for your PC if you want, and you can do the SAME THING for your console. The fact that you're arguing every console has a 1500$ display cost requirement is completely inaccurate. Not everyone needs that for their console. Just like not everyone needs a 30 inch 2560x1600 display for their PC.

 

[aigomorla]

Just take this out of your argument, IMO. You should only be comparing system costs because display costs for either consoles or PCs have a wide range of variance - you know this. You can get a cheap crap TN for your PC if you want, and you can do the SAME THING for your console. The fact that you're arguing every console has a 1500$ display cost requirement is completely inaccurate. Not everyone needs that for their console. Just like not everyone needs a 30 inch 2560x1600 display for their PC.

u also forget the PC has 3d gaming possibility... stereosopic 3d...

You can also multi screen game on a PC which u cant on a console.


Basically u can surround yourself in monitors and game on a PC.
You can only dream about that on a console.


Of course... the price difference again is like night and day.
But HEY! AMD wants to tackle a full blown PC with its price point... well... AMD PR is about to get smashed hardcore.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Just so you know, I find this argument completely silly. I won't get into the PC vs console debate, IMO it's not an apples to apples comparison. Obviously the PC has more brute force but also has to deal with APIs, which consoles do not. But back to your argument. Silly. Display devices are required for both, and you can get a 200$ display or a 1500$ display for either the console or PC. So you're calculating a 200$ cost for a PC and a 1500$ cost for a console. Yeah, if you say so, that's literally has me scratching my head. If someone wants a 200$ 30 inch display for their console, they can certainly do that. Just like they can do it for the PC. Just call the display cost even. Not everyone gets a big screen for their console, I have a wall mounted screen for my 360, not a big screen. It certainly cost a lot less than my IPS panels for my main PC.

Just take this out of your argument, IMO. You should only be comparing system costs because display costs for either consoles or PCs have a wide range of variance - you know this. You can get a cheap crap TN for your PC if you want, and you can do the SAME THING for your console. The fact that you're arguing every console has a 1500$ display cost requirement is completely inaccurate. Not everyone needs that for their console. Just like not everyone needs a 30 inch 2560x1600 display for their PC.

Your point is well taken, but to be perfectly honest in my own experience nobody uses a $200 TV for their PS3. I'm sure people do, but I don't know any.

The whole point I was making is this. People say "a PS4 is better than a PC". It's a general statement that doesn't give any constraints on either side. So why should we not be able to compare a setup with SLI and multiple monitors and say "hey ok so your PS4 can play Crysis 3 and Battlefield 4 like this? at 60fps" Cause it won't. Yes it's a stupid argument, but it's also stupid to think hardware that has no upgrade path is going to be flat out better and have better looking games than hardware that can be upgraded over time and often is by us here. WHile it might outpace the average PC in terms of making a game run consistant and at a certain visual level. Upgrade that PC a bit and it will do things the console can't like custom AA and surround gaming.

What it comes down to is two things.
1) AMD chest thumping against Intel and Nvidia. Why? Nvidia has made it well known that they think PC gaming is the future and wasn't even interested in console stuff. Intel is well positioned in the CPU market and have their hands in other areas as well so they feel no threat here.
2) Developers trying to hype up a console they will make games for. Not all developers are enamored with the PS4 and hype it like it's the best thing ever. Epic has already limited the UE4 tech demos in order to run within the power constraints presented by the PS4. Is it better than a cheap PC would do? Could be, but when they did the same run on a 680 with full effects there are some differences. So there's that. That said, there are developers who don't develop games for the PC. If they can convince PS3 owners to buy a PS4 and get some people to forgo that PC upgrade and get a PS4 instead, that's a boost to their potential market. I think they are incorrectly comparing it to a PC purpose built for games myself. As we know you can upgrade a PC and most people who build a PC with the intent of playing the latest games at high details and high resolutions can afford to keep upgrading as needed. The price doesn't factor in the same way.

 

[blackened23]

u also forget the PC has 3d gaming possibility... stereosopic 3d...

You can also multi screen game on a PC which u cant on a console.


Basically u can surround yourself in monitors and game on a PC.
You can only dream about that on a console.


Of course... the price difference again is like night and day.
But HEY! AMD wants to tackle a full blown PC with its price point... well... AMD PR is about to get smashed hardcore.

Jesus christ. I wasn't even interested in discussing PC versus console, that's an entirely different argument, one that I don't care to get caught up in. Neither side will budge on this argument, ever. I will say, that while I like surround I highly suspect that most console users don't care. Anyway, I'm only saying the display cost shouldn't be a factor in either because it is highly variable. I don't know you managed to sneak surround into this, but the salient point was merely the display cost. It should not be a factor when comparing system costs IMO.

 

[mj79]

But Im pretty sure most ppl dont buy PS3/TV combos, or if they do, its for college.. Difference, is The tv is something everyone will have... IF you have a pc or console.. Most likely ppl dont run out and buy a ps3 with no TV to play it on..

And to be honest with you hardcore gamers.... US casual gamers, couldn't give a crap about a little AA, or how things are smoothed over and shaded a little better.. Its a game, its not a piece of art.. I like the Xbox interface, Live, Layout, playability and performance , Is a Gaming PC better, Obviously, as it should be for 10 times the price , But not everyone cares about seeing trees or sidewalks smoothed out, from a little AA and we just actually enjoy the game for what it is

Some people are dropping $2000+ for a few video cards, now for something the PS4 will accomplish on release date!