How the PlayStation 4 is better than a PC

[Sohaltang]

While I understand what you're saying, I think you're forgetting the fact that vast majority of people who have such PC are not just using them for gaming. We're also graphic artists, programmers, & etc.

I have no argument with that. IT has more than paid my bills for 15 years. For what average joe is wanting for to play on his 800$ TV the PS4 or even ps3 are plenty. Plug and play 1080p entertainment with a large selection of toys at their fingertips. These people are not interested in PC gaming.

My kid is saving for a ps4 and wants a PC too. If I can build him a 500$ PC that gives him the ps4 experience then Im all in. Unfortunately it's not feasible.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I have no argument with that. IT has more than paid my bills for 15 years. For what average joe is wanting for to play on his 800$ TV the PS4 or even ps3 are plenty. Plug and play 1080p entertainment with a large selection of toys at their fingertips. These people are not interested in PC gaming.

My kid is saving for a ps4 and wants a PC too. If I can build him a 500$ PC that gives him the ps4 experience then Im all in. Unfortunately it's not feasible.

1080p from a console where? Don't even try claiming PS4 cause we haven't been shown any title that is at 1080p yet for certain.

 

[Sohaltang]

It's still bundles but it's now $49.99 on PC. (steam price) It was cheaper at release than the console version. That's what matters.

It's called a sale. They do that for many items. Check your mail, bet there are 10 papers in there with the same philosophy. Sometimes items are even sold at a loss to bring traffic into the store or the manufacture will recoup it in other ways. The ps3 was sold for less than cost. Sony knew it would get its money back in other ways.

PC games are larger and more complicated than the console counterparts. But it's pretty much the same concept. Your selling roughly the same data on a disk to the consumer. There is no reason for one to be any more than the other. M$ and Sony take a cut but steam does too. The market dictates prices. Getting a sale on a three year old game to play on your 2000$ PC is almost moronic. I don't even like to play 3 year old console games. Most people don't, that's why it's "on sale".

 

[Sohaltang]

1080p from a console where? Don't even try claiming PS4 cause we haven't been shown any title that is at 1080p yet for certain.

If PS3 can do it, the PS4 better be able to. Wipeout was 1080p years ago. Up to the developersif they chose to offer up scaling or not. But more to my point average joe don't care.

 

[cmdrdredd]

If PS3 can do it, the PS4 better be able to. Wipeout was 1080p years ago. Up to the developers.

Wipeout is not 1080p 100% of the time. At times it drops from 1920x1080 to 1280x1080. Apparently it does this to keep the 60fps going. It's innovative, but to call it really 1080p is not true.

http://insidethedigitalfoundry.blogspot.com/2008/09/wipeout-hds-1080p-sleight-of-hand.html

 

[Olikan]

LOL...PS4 gpu is as powerfull as a GTX570, or a HD6970

those card cant do 1080p, now?

 

[Sohaltang]

Wipeout is not 1080p 100% of the time. At times it drops from 1920x1080 to 1280x1080. Apparently it does this to keep the 60fps going. It's innovative, but to call it really 1080p is not true.

http://insidethedigitalfoundry.blogspot.com/2008/09/wipeout-hds-1080p-sleight-of-hand.html

Great. I'm sure the ps4 can handle it. The ps3 was released 11/11/06. By time the ps4 comes out ,7 years later, it should be able to move from part time 1080p to full time. Ill go on record saying it would be beyond an epic failure if it cannot.

 

[cplusplus]

It's still bundles but it's now $49.99 on PC. (steam price) It was cheaper at release than the console version. That's what matters. As for LA Noire, the game released in 2011. It still costs $30 new from gamestop/amazon when it's in stock.

That's the other thing, on PC you can find old titles for download all the time. Most console games don't get a digital version and the game can go out of print. Look at all the copies of Xenoblade Chronacles selling for $100

Out of print popular games are becoming a rarity for any modern system that isn't the Wii. The PS Vita, 3DS, and Wii U (the last 3 consoles launched) all have digital copies for every physical release, and that trend is more than likely going to continue with the PS4 and the next Xbox. And if you're willing to wait for a Steam sale, then you're willing to wait for the console versions to go on sale too, whether that's a digital sale or a sale on the disc.

 

[Silverforce11]

Even removing all these advanced features in GCN 2.0, PC is coding to windows and letting directX manage the rendering pipeline. This alone would mean a mid-range GPU on consoles will perform as well as top end on PC. /gg

 

[Olikan]

Even removing all these advanced features in GCN 2.0, PC is coding to windows and letting directX manage the rendering pipeline. This alone would mean a mid-range GPU on consoles will perform as well as top end on PC. /gg

i wish amd release a corrected whitepaper for GCN 2.0...

Those damm 64 comand lines don't make much sense... unless amd changed the way of how it schedule the instructions :|

 

[-Slacker-]

Meh, fast RAM access to midrange GPU and weak AMD CPU cores.

Yes, it will beat $600 gaming PCs at launch. So what? That doesn't make it "better than a PC", just better than a cheap PC. Except for giving up mouse + KB. So not really better even there except for the graphics.

I have a PS3 and 360, but I play all cross-platform titles on my PC. I don't expect that to change with the PS4.

Not so fast there. You can build a $700 pc today that will almost certainly go down in price to ~$600 or below when the the PS4 launches:

The hd7950 is powerful enough to take care of the overhead pcs need to handle, and the fx8320 is looking to be basically an up-scaled version of an 8 core jaguar. As opposed to x86 cpus back in 2005, which were better at some things than the xbox's power 5 cpu (integer calculations) and weaker in other areas (floating point performance), the 8320 has a large and all-around performance advantage compared to the ps4's cpu. It will definitely handle the overhead.

 

[frozentundra123456]

What no one seems to be mentioning is that you can play a much wider variety of games on the PC, including older games, cross platforms games, indie games. I also dont consider the entire cost of my PC to be related to gaming. I would have a PC anyway. Total cost of my PC was 700.00 (Dell XPS i5 plus HD7770). The minimum I would pay for a PC anyway is probably 400.00 or possibly more. So basically I am gaming for 300 dollars variable cost, plus I have a system that is much more flexible than a console.

I would not dispute that the PS4 when it comes out will have better graphics than my PC, but what I have is good enough for me.

 

[alcoholbob]

Great. I'm sure the ps4 can handle it. The ps3 was released 11/11/06. By time the ps4 comes out ,7 years later, it should be able to move from part time 1080p to full time. Ill go on record saying it would be beyond an epic failure if it cannot.

PS4 with a 7850/7870 should have no problems doing 1080p. I think BF4 is stated to be 720P on the next gen consoles but I would think one of the main reasons is the devkits they've been using only have 1.5GB of RAM. Launch titles are always going to be weak because they were developed on substandard hardware.

 

[futurefields]

PS4 more powerful than a good 2013 gaming PC?

I'll believe it when I see the games running at 1080p with no upscaling.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Not so fast there. You can build a $700 pc today that will almost certainly go down in price to ~$600 or below when the the PS4 launches:

Nice computer setup. But try stuffing that hardware in a form factor as small as the PS4.

People are simply not listening to (or choosing to ignore) what the devs are saying. Coding directly to metal and taking advantage of the unified memory space (GDDR5 no less) is going to show 2-3x the performance as a similarity spec'd Windows machine. I have no doubt this will happen, probably not right away although the learning curve will be much quicker than what happened with the convoluted and complicated PS3 hardware.

 

[ultralo]

whats going on in here....looks like a bunch of kids throwing rocks at each other...really guys yall are better than this....

 

[cmdrdredd]

Out of print popular games are becoming a rarity for any modern system that isn't the Wii. The PS Vita, 3DS, and Wii U (the last 3 consoles launched) all have digital copies for every physical release, and that trend is more than likely going to continue with the PS4 and the next Xbox. And if you're willing to wait for a Steam sale, then you're willing to wait for the console versions to go on sale too, whether that's a digital sale or a sale on the disc.

As I said, I could get Tomb Raider day one on PC cheaper. It was also the superior version.

Here is the one single reason the thread title is wrong. By the time PS4 games come out that can look better than PC games today, we won't be talking about GTX Titans, or even Titan SLI (which BTW plays games at resolutions the PS4 doesn't even support), we will be talking about the next cards much faster than that. GTX 700 series, HD 8000 series or maybe even past that depending on the timeframe. Lets say 3 years. In 3 years I won't be running SLi 670s and won't be running an Ivy Bridge CPU. I'll be on the next generation or above. SO by the time the games catch up to what PC does today, a PC will outpace the hardware in the PS4 dramatically. So any amount of coding to the metal would be moot when talking about performance numbers at that time.

This doesn't even take into account that we have no concrete information on what games will look like on the PS4 in 1080p and whether they will be at 60fps. There's a whole lot we don't know. What we do know is PC hardware evolves all the time. We know Nvidia intends to release Maxwell, we know Intel is working on Haswell. There will continue to be faster hardware for the PC and the enthusiasts who intend to keep gaming on the PC will inevitably upgrade.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

You have to remember though, the PS4 is coded to the metal and doesn't have to deal with crap like OS or different systems. For the first few years it'll be fine then start to age, its the console cycle, but they're cheap compared with gaming PCs.

 

[Sohaltang]

Not so fast there. You can build a $700 pc today that will almost certainly go down in price to ~$600 or below when the the PS4 launches:

The hd7950 is powerful enough to take care of the overhead pcs need to handle, and the fx8320 is looking to be basically an up-scaled version of an 8 core jaguar. As opposed to x86 cpus back in 2005, which were better at some things than the xbox's power 5 cpu (integer calculations) and weaker in other areas (floating point performance), the 8320 has a large and all-around performance advantage compared to the ps4's cpu. It will definitely handle the overhead.

Then add bluray, decoder software, OS, wifi adapter, 7.1,Bluetooth, a wireless controller, and up the drive to 500 GB or so. Then have it arrived built in a tiny form factor that average joe can plug and play. One year of support and free diagnostics. It's gotta be relatively quiet and pull no more than 200 watts. Build it for 500$ and Ill order 2 tonight.

 

[Olikan]

I'll believe it when I see the games running at 1080p with no upscaling.

less pc fanboysm please,
a HD7850 can easily handle 1080p games, and some with x4 MSAA
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/778

and orbis is faster than a 7850

 

[Will Robinson]

That was very interesting to see what they are doing with the PS4 APU setup.
The changes in GCN architecture to decrease the bus to processor latency bode well for the next gen of GPUs.
Having outside developers work with AMD to optimize for consoles seems to have some nice spin off benefits which hopefully will show up in HD8*** later this year.

 

[lilrayray69]

1080p from a console where? Don't even try claiming PS4 cause we haven't been shown any title that is at 1080p yet for certain.

Here is the one single reason the thread title is wrong. By the time PS4 games come out that can look better than PC games today, we won't be talking about GTX Titans, or even Titan SLI (which BTW plays games at resolutions the PS4 doesn't even support)

So it's NOT ok for someone else to talk about what resolution the PS4 might support (like 1080p which is a pretty safe bet), but you CAN say what it WON'T support...I see

 

[Enigmoid]

What no one seems to be mentioning is that you can play a much wider variety of games on the PC, including older games, cross platforms games, indie games. I also dont consider the entire cost of my PC to be related to gaming. I would have a PC anyway. Total cost of my PC was 700.00 (Dell XPS i5 plus HD7770). The minimum I would pay for a PC anyway is probably 400.00 or possibly more. So basically I am gaming for 300 dollars variable cost, plus I have a system that is much more flexible than a console.

I would not dispute that the PS4 when it comes out will have better graphics than my PC, but what I have is good enough for me.

This. People say a gaming pc costs $1000+ but in reality most people have a computer.
Most people are buying a laptop and its only a couple hundred dollars more to get one with a decent gpu (650m) that can play games on medium settings. People with a desktop can often just drop in a gpu for a few hundred dollars (7850 is about $180) and can play games on steam fairly well.
You don't factor in the cost of the tv when looking at consoles. The fact that many people have a computer and they just need to upgrade it (and much of the time really only the video card) seems to escape many. Not to mention that you can do a LOT more on a computer than a console.

 

[insertcarehere]

Then add bluray, decoder software, OS, wifi adapter, 7.1,Bluetooth, a wireless controller, and up the drive to 500 GB or so. Then have it arrived built in a tiny form factor that average joe can plug and play. One year of support and free diagnostics. It's gotta be relatively quiet and pull no more than 200 watts. Build it for 500$ and Ill order 2 tonight.

This assumes that in the person making this choice has to build an entire pc just for gaming, which isn't true a lot of the time. While it is very difficult(at present) to build a gaming pc to match the ps4's performance at the same price, it is not difficult to upgrade an existing pc to match a ps4's performance for the same price.

 

[Sohaltang]

This. People say a gaming pc costs $1000+ but in reality most people have a computer.
Most people are buying a laptop and its only a couple hundred dollars more to get one with a decent gpu (650m) that can play games on medium settings. People with a desktop can often just drop in a gpu for a few hundred dollars (7850 is about $180) and can play games on steam fairly well.

On the same token, most people already have a 360/PS3 that is already the equivalent of a cheap laptop on "medium" settings. So the total out of pocket for those users is zero. Just play the PS3/360 for 2-3 more years. Anyone wanting to play next gen games gonna have to come out of pocket.